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[R2s Muse]

Yay, more obsession! Andie is adorable! Hee hee, no wonder Cullen thinks it's private. Rhia has all the fun...

Edited for ToP - Thoughtful Cullen:

Modifié par R2s Muse, 03 octobre 2011 - 08:18 .

[Avilia]

 Line forms on the right ladies (and gents):





My commission from the lovely and talented Arylas

[rak72]

^ sign me up!

Her work is really nice

[R2s Muse]

Avilia, that is outstanding! "Female recruits welcome." It's like an equal opportunity disclaimer. LOL Thanks for sharing. Hmmm... yeah, he can recruit me any day.

[esoterican]

*Pops in to admire the eye candy*
 
Mmmm. Nice!

*Pops back out*

[Galagraphia]

@Avilia, I love this poster!

[Galagraphia]

 So, my Cullen has a scar from Meredith's sword, because my Hawke wasn't so protective as I would have been.

I think it was painful (huggles Cullen).

[R2s Muse]

Ouch, Gala! Hmm, guess Cullen can get hurt during the Meredith battle. LOL But, he still looks lovely...

[Dave of Canada]

*jumps into thread*

You've probably covered this but...

I've been thinking of the Mage / Templar conflict and honestly, it would be the perfect time for Cullen to be a squadmate. Whether or not you support the mages, he'd be able to tag along due to his conflict of loyalty between mages and templar (due to Meredith).

Such a conflict of character and being able to support one side or another within his conflict, possibly telling him that there needs to be a middle ground if you want to would be fascinating. There's far too much potential there for it to not be explored, though it's entirely possible he could return as an NPC (though that'd be lame as there's rarely much protagonist influence or dealings in that case).

*jumps out*

[Lisa_H]

Must just say that I love that poster

[R2s Muse]

The new poster had done its work and recruitment was at an all-time high. Unfortunately, Cullen increasingly had to avoid the mess hall, the training yard and even the baths in order to have a moment’s peace from the primarily female new recruits.

[Avilia]

 @Dave - It will be a missed opportunity if we don't see Cullen as a companion.  There's so much potential there.  Possibly after his experiences in the Tower and Kirkwall he could be the middle ground.  Someone without a polarised view of either side.   Although its possible instead of "mages/Templars are teh ebil keels them" he'd just want to kill everyone 

(That last bit was a joke Bioware!!! No taking ideas from that thank you very much.)

Hmm I'm not sure polarised is the word I want but its too early for my brain to think of the right one.  I also think I've just restated what you said but oh well.

Modifié par Avilia, 04 octobre 2011 - 08:55 .

[Avilia]

 That's gorgeous Gala.  

In my last battle with Meredith, Cullen was soloing for a while.  He does quite well on his own, I must say.  I was watching him thinking "I wonder what would happen if you just ran around Meredith in circles and didn't attack, if he could kill her?"

Modifié par Avilia, 04 octobre 2011 - 09:06 .

[Galagraphia]

@Avilia, I tried that once. Nate, Zev, Cullen and other guys who weren't in my party, killed her very fast Of course, it doesn't work on nightmare, because then they all die very fast.

[Avilia]

hehe that's great. I never play on nightmare so if I ever do another run I must try it.

[Galagraphia]

I'll be spamming this thread with pictures while I'm sick 

[Avilia]

aww, he's so cute and shy. Hope you're feeling better soon Gala

[R2s Muse]

@Gala Oh I just want to eat him up, he's so darn cute. Feel better! OH and saw your colored version of sleeping Cullen on tumblr. Dreamy!!

I've never tried to let all the NPCs take on Meredith. That sounds like something fun to try. So, Avilia, can Cullen actually defeat her on normal? I'd never be skilled enough to actually try nightmare... Altho I seem to recall seeing some Gala screenshots where Meredith has some extra lines when she tries to strangle people...? That might be worth getting my butt kicked.

[Naqey]

Dave of Canada wrote...

*jumps into thread*

You've probably covered this but...

I've been thinking of the Mage / Templar conflict and honestly, it would be the perfect time for Cullen to be a squadmate. Whether or not you support the mages, he'd be able to tag along due to his conflict of loyalty between mages and templar (due to Meredith).

Such a conflict of character and being able to support one side or another within his conflict, possibly telling him that there needs to be a middle ground if you want to would be fascinating. There's far too much potential there for it to not be explored, though it's entirely possible he could return as an NPC (though that'd be lame as there's rarely much protagonist influence or dealings in that case).

*jumps out*

I hope you don't mind that I delurk in your thread for moment, because I find that  interesting.

I'd simply love to see Cullen as a companion, and actually think that he has a lot of potential. I always wished to have a templar in my team, simply to get to know the order better, get some inside views on their job, why someone would become a templar and so on. Especially now, in a post-DA2 world in which the Order has broken away from the Chantry... ! 

But I disagree that it would be perfect time for him to join because of his torn loyalties. Are his loyalties really torn? I'd like to hear some opinions of the "Cullen experts", but to me it always seemed like Cullen had his loyalties sorted out well enough. He is a templar through and through, even more so than in DA:O.  Sure, there's the Amell/Surana dalliance, but if anything, it has made his stance even more rigid, seeing how it "weakend" him and made him let down his defences just to be proven how dangerous mages are in the chaos that ensued in the Ferelden Circle.

He opposed Meredith, because she is barking mad. But Meredith is not the templars. With regards to templar "ideology" Cullen is quite "orthodox", telling you how mages are not people like you and me and cautioning Hawke to not be over-trusting towards mages. The only templar we've met so far who does seem to have these torn loyalties is, well Thrask, and maybe the templar Carver (Malcolm Hawke's friend).

But I still think it would be great to have Cullen... just for other reasons. Now that the mage-templar conflict got out of hand, I'd like to see how Cullen deals with it. I'd especially like to see him confronted with a lot of the "greys" of that war... see how he takes it. Mehe, and maybe I'm a little bit of a sadist, but the though of romancing him with a mage character is just *too* endearing...

[R2s Muse]

Naqey wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

*jumps into thread*

You've probably covered this but...

I've been thinking of the Mage / Templar conflict and honestly, it would be the perfect time for Cullen to be a squadmate. Whether or not you support the mages, he'd be able to tag along due to his conflict of loyalty between mages and templar (due to Meredith).

Such a conflict of character and being able to support one side or another within his conflict, possibly telling him that there needs to be a middle ground if you want to would be fascinating. There's far too much potential there for it to not be explored, though it's entirely possible he could return as an NPC (though that'd be lame as there's rarely much protagonist influence or dealings in that case).

*jumps out*

I hope you don't mind that I delurk in your thread for moment, because I find that  interesting.

I'd simply love to see Cullen as a companion, and actually think that he has a lot of potential. I always wished to have a templar in my team, simply to get to know the order better, get some inside views on their job, why someone would become a templar and so on. Especially now, in a post-DA2 world in which the Order has broken away from the Chantry... ! 

But I disagree that it would be perfect time for him to join because of his torn loyalties. Are his loyalties really torn? I'd like to hear some opinions of the "Cullen experts", but to me it always seemed like Cullen had his loyalties sorted out well enough. He is a templar through and through, even more so than in DA:O.  Sure, there's the Amell/Surana dalliance, but if anything, it has made his stance even more rigid, seeing how it "weakend" him and made him let down his defences just to be proven how dangerous mages are in the chaos that ensued in the Ferelden Circle.

He opposed Meredith, because she is barking mad. But Meredith is not the templars. With regards to templar "ideology" Cullen is quite "orthodox", telling you how mages are not people like you and me and cautioning Hawke to not be over-trusting towards mages. The only templar we've met so far who does seem to have these torn loyalties is, well Thrask, and maybe the templar Carver (Malcolm Hawke's friend).

But I still think it would be great to have Cullen... just for other reasons. Now that the mage-templar conflict got out of hand, I'd like to see how Cullen deals with it. I'd especially like to see him confronted with a lot of the "greys" of that war... see how he takes it. Mehe, and maybe I'm a little bit of a sadist, but the though of romancing him with a mage character is just *too* endearing...

I agree that he'd be a great addition as a companion for all the reasons you've mentioned, but also those Dave mentioned. I do think he's gone through a crisis of faith/conscience through the events in Act 3, in that he's been desperately trying to square Meredith's views with his own. He said he'd never question the Order again, and then here he is again! For example, when he finally let's the mages surrender (in pro-templar ending) and publicly disagrees with her "judge, jury and executioner" view, I think that's when he finally starts to stand on his own ("yes, I think that's what being a templar is about"). Supporting Hawke in the end is just the straw that broke the camel's back in my view.

Does he still think mages are weapons that the public need to be protected from? Probably. But I think he would also believe that the mages need to be protected, too. So, I don't see him necessarily being pro-mage all of the sudden (or even terribly anti-mage), but I see him having an "everyone needs to be protected" philosophy.

Is he still conflicted post-Act3? IMO, it sounds like there's no easy answer to what the "true" Order stands for, with even the Templars defecting from the Chantry left and right during the mage-Templar war. In principle, all he would have at that point would be his own moral compass. So I'd imagine that situation would be ripe for soul searching and not a little bit of angst (angst which David Gaider has hinted he'll get!). Plus, eventhough he was acting his own conscience at the Gallows, he still was insubordinate to his superior officer. So he could even be an ex-Templar at that point, which could lead to an identity crisis. Lots of fun for further exploration!

Anyhoo, my $0.02.

[edited for imaginary English]

Modifié par R2s Muse, 07 octobre 2011 - 12:20 .

[Bekkael]

I need something to motivate me toward more Cullen, folks.

Who's getting the new DLC coming out on Tuesday? I'm not excited about the new elf character, but I am excited at the prospect of more dialogue/banter between my party members.

[Avilia]

I'm not keen tbh - but will wait and see what the feedback is after release.

Motivation for more Cullen!? How could you need that? ;-) Hmm...

Modifié par Avilia, 08 octobre 2011 - 07:13 .

[Naqey]

R2s Muse wrote...

He said he'd never question the Order again, and then here he is again! For example, when he finally let's the mages surrender (in pro-templar ending) and publicly disagrees with her "judge, jury and executioner" view, I think that's when he finally starts to stand on his own ("yes, I think that's what being a templar is about"). Supporting Hawke in the end is just the straw that broke the camel's back in my view.

Does he still think mages are weapons that the public need to be protected from? Probably. But I think he would also believe that the mages need to be protected, too. So, I don't see him necessarily being pro-mage all of the sudden (or even terribly anti-mage), but I see him having an "everyone needs to be protected" philosophy.

Right, but that's what I've been trying to say: is it really questioning the Order what he does? It's rather opposing Meredith. The Order was, after all, never installed to establish a terror reign over the mages, and in the end make them all Tranquil or kill them. That's Meredith' way of dealing with things. That's what I meant by "Cullen is pretty orthodox": he sees the Orders role as that of a protector but also a watchdog; mages are humans who need to be protected from themselves. But they are still no ordinary beings and dangerous, and to a certain extent collectively guilty (of making the Maker turn away from his children).

That's surely not "pro-mage" or "anti-mage". These are rather unfitting terms. The spectrum of possibe attitudes towards mages is far broader than this; just the extremists tend to reduce it to such simplicities (like Act 3 Anders - he can hardly see any nuances in the conflict anymore). But then, unfortunately war tends to strengthen extreme positions  

R2s Muse wrote...

Is he still conflicted post-Act3? IMO, it sounds like there's no easy
answer to what the "true" Order stands for, with even the Templars
defecting from the Chantry left and right during the mage-Templar war.
In principle, all he would have at that point would be his own moral
compass. So I'd imagine that situation would be ripe for soul searching
and not a little bit of angst (angst which David Gaider has hinted he'll
get!). Plus, eventhough he was acting his own conscience at the
Gallows, he still was insubordinate to his superior officer. So he could
even be an ex-Templar at that point, which could lead to an identity
crisis. Lots of fun for further exploration!

I think post-Act3 is when any conflict in Cullen will really take off, for the very reasons that you have named. If the Order takes on a more extreme "anti-mage" stance as a reaction to the escalating situation (and it seems very probably that they do - after all they broke away from the Chantry to oppose the mages; seems like Alrik and Meredith like people are getting the upper hand in the ranks of the Order...) , then Cullen might well feel increasingly alienated in his more "orthodox" (which I take as meaning "lenient", since that is how I picture the intention contained in the Order's foundation) position...

Anyhuu... I'm looking forward to more Cullen. And angst. Did Mr. Gaider say angst? Argh... when he says these things than it's getting *really* dark ))

[Jean]

I would be genuinely surprised if Cullen of all people did not finally get his companion status in DAIII
He's already set up very well for it, whatever his reasons may be now.

[R2s Muse]

Naqey wrote...
That's what I meant by "Cullen is pretty orthodox": he sees the Orders role as that of a protector but also a watchdog; mages are humans who need to be protected from themselves. But they are still no ordinary beings and dangerous, and to a certain extent collectively guilty (of making the Maker turn away from his children).

Ah, I see. Yes, totally agree!

I think post-Act3 is when any conflict in Cullen will really take off, for the very reasons that you have named. If the Order takes on a more extreme "anti-mage" stance as a reaction to the escalating situation (and it seems very probably that they do - after all they broke away from the Chantry to oppose the mages; seems like Alrik and Meredith like people are getting the upper hand in the ranks of the Order...) , then Cullen might well feel increasingly alienated in his more "orthodox" (which I take as meaning "lenient", since that is how I picture the intention contained in the Order's foundation) position...

I think  you're right. I'm SO curious to see what the motivation is for all the various Templar factions. It sounds like some have broken away to "hunt down" rogue mages, harkening back to I guess the original inquisition-like aspect of the Order (don't recall where I read they were like that... perhaps in the Seeker codexes?). So, are those that stay with the Chantry more "orthodox," to use your word, i.e. more moderate? I always get a hard-core political vibe from the Chantry, so I don't know if that jibes.  But then, Cassandra ostensibly is supposed to have a moderate view of the conflict.  Dunno.  I could also imagine a storyline where Cullen becomes the new Knight-Vigilant, re-establishing the Order's "true" purpose. Heh heh.

Anyhuu... I'm looking forward to more Cullen. And angst. Did Mr. Gaider say angst? Argh... when he says these things than it's getting *really* dark ))

LOL -  yes, there's always that danger, but I think he said that in that recent fan interview.

@Batteries - agree. Or at least we can hope!

Modifié par R2s Muse, 08 octobre 2011 - 10:33 .