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[LolaLei]

Commander Kurt: Yeah, as I said, the names are a bit crap. And, if real, are hopefully just placeholders.

As for the maybe!Cullen picture. 1) That might not even be Cullen, and 2) I'm not putting too much stock in the outfits they're wearing since DG said its a very early concept art, so at that stage the characters probably didn't even have their final drafts drawn up, let alone their outfits, or in-game models.

Iron Bull is another one who could be the leader of the "Red Fist", although why he'd even bother to be an advisor to the Inquisitor is beyond me, if he prefers to kill and drink. That doesn't strike me as someone who would want to lead any type of organisation, especially when he's escaped the militant style of life by leaving the Qun.

[Chiantirose1982]

LolaLei wrote...

Commander Kurt: Yeah, as I said, the names are a bit crap. And, if real, are hopefully just placeholders.

As for the maybe!Cullen picture. 1) That might not even be Cullen, and 2) I'm not putting too much stock in the outfits they're wearing since DG said its a very early concept art, so at that stage the characters probably didn't even have their final drafts drawn up, let alone their outfits, or in-game models.

Iron Bull is another one who could be the leader of the "Red Fist", although why he'd even bother to be an advisor to the Inquisitor is beyond me, if he prefers to kill and drink. That doesn't strike me as someone who would want to lead any type of organisation, especially when he's escaped the militant style of life by leaving the Qun.

Like I said, if he is a character like Zaeed, then he would just do his "job" because he is getting paid.

Leliana (sneaky): "We could use the sewers to enter the keep, get the guy and get out. No need to kill more people than we have too."

Scribe Girl (diplomatic): Let me talk to the leader, there needs to be a middle ground. Maybe we could negotiate."

Iron Bull looking over at the two females disinterested, his arms crossed over his chest. "Show your strengh. You have a ruthless band of mercenaries at your disposal, use them and show them that they're either with us or against us." He clears his throat "Only today for the low price of 19.99, I'll throw in some barrels of sar-qamek."

...Yeah, I don't know  I personally could see Cullen be more on the diplomatic side, than the militant one.

Modifié par Chiantirose1982, 09 septembre 2013 - 11:28 .

[LolaLei]

What does being diplomatic have to do with whether or not something is militant? Militant doesn't mean going into a situation all guns blazing, showing off your legions of soldiers/mercs/whatever like some "badass".

The description gives an example of what each group would advise. The militant advisor suggests we seek aid from the Empress' brother because he has the man-power needed to aid us against the red Templars, that seems pretty sensible to me. If it had said "the Red Fist's leader suggests you kick the door down, headbutt the Empress, ****** in the fountain, demand help and steal some loot" then I'd be more inclined to believe that it wouldn't be Cullen.

Plus, we don't know anything about Iron Bull beyond a brief description.

Modifié par LolaLei, 09 septembre 2013 - 12:46 .

[Commander Kurt]

meanieweenie wrote...

R2's got a great one in the works! Her fanfic is fantastic.

Ooohhh, intriguing. I will harass ask her about it when I see her.

LolaLei wrote...

Commander Kurt: Yeah, as I said, the names are a bit crap. And, if real, are hopefully just placeholders.

As for the maybe!Cullen picture. 1) That might not even be Cullen, and 2) I'm not putting too much stock in the outfits they're wearing since DG said its a very early concept art, so at that stage the characters probably didn't even have their final drafts drawn up, let alone their outfits, or in-game models.

Iron Bull is another one who could be the leader of the "Red Fist", although why he'd even bother to be an advisor to the Inquisitor is beyond me, if he prefers to kill and drink. That doesn't strike me as someone who would want to lead any type of organisation, especially when he's escaped the militant style of life by leaving the Qun.

You don't like "The Purple Crows"? It's so original..

Leliana: Inquisitor, the crows are at your disposal.
Quizzy: You're an assassin?
Leliana: No, well, yes, but these are different crows. They're purple and wear pretty shoes.

And I'm rather sure that is in fact Cullen, but the idea of him being a spy sort of makes me giggle.  Honestly, that matching outfit thing leaves me really confused (final draft or no, they're in the same uniform and that can't be something that just happened). Sure, it could be someone else as well but I'm almost 2% sure it's him.

[Commander Kurt]

LolaLei wrote...

What does being diplomatic have to do with whether or not something is militant? Militant doesn't mean going into a situation all guns blazing, showing off your legions of soldiers/mercs/whatever like some "badass".

The description gives an example of what each group would advise. The militant advisor suggests we seek aid from the Empress' brother because he has the man-power needed to aid us against the red Templars, that seems pretty sensible to me. If it had said "the Red Fist's leader suggests you kick the door down, headbutt the Empress, ****** in the fountain, demand help and steal some loot" then I'd be more inclined to believe that it wouldn't be Cullen.

Plus, we don't know anything about Iron Bull beyond a brief description.

LOL, now I really wish the Iron Bull was the leader, that sounds like something a Qunari might suggest.

Oh, and as for the "why", Chiantirose is probably right about it being money. He is already a leader according to the survey, so there's that.

Modifié par Commander Kurt, 09 septembre 2013 - 12:55 .

[LolaLei]

LOL:

Leliana: "Well... Crow's feathers look simply darling when worn correctly, and purple really suits me!"

Those names are pretty stupid, especially because of the Antivian crows and the Red Fist automatically makes people think "red Templar". Still, it wouldn't surprise me if they've kept the names, calling the new organisation the Inquisition seemed pretty daft after the bad rep the previous one had.

[LolaLei]

One thing I do hope, if this leak is legit, is that the advisors will come with us on the occasional quest. For example, that ball mentioned in the description, I'd hope that the 3 advisors would actually attend it too. I mean, it would make sense for them to be there anyway. Leliana is the type of person to go there and use her charm and influence to find out secrets and spy on people, and Morrigan (if she's the leader of the Gold Keys) would be there because she's part of the Empress' court now. So in theory Cullen (if he's the leader of the Red Fists) should also be there, if only because the description mentions that the red Templars might be planning something dodgy. Plus, how can we perv on him and make him dance with us, if he isn't there, LOL!

[Commander Kurt]

LolaLei wrote...

LOL:

Leliana: "Well... Crow's feathers look simply darling when worn correctly, and purple really suits me!"

Those names are pretty stupid, especially because of the Antivian crows and the Red Fist automatically makes people think "red Templar". Still, it wouldn't surprise me if they've kept the names, calling the new organisation the Inquisition seemed pretty daft after the bad rep the previous one had.

Haha, there you have it then.

Yeah, I can see that happening.  Inquisition doesn't bother me, it instantly tells people that you're a no nonsense gang who will not be trifled with, but Golden Keys? Red Fist? Purple Crows? Is it just me or are these merely things that have been featured in the concept art and then given a color? Are we going to have a "Brown Bowl of Eels" faction as well?

I hope the leak was just some concept art and the rest is someone guessing, but I can also see it being real and in the final game.

[Commander Kurt]

LolaLei wrote...

One thing I do hope, if this leak is legit, is that the advisors will come with us on the occasional quest. For example, that ball mentioned in the description, I'd hope that the 3 advisors would actually attend it too. I mean, it would make sense for them to be there anyway. Leliana is the type of person to go there and use her charm and influence to find out secrets and spy on people, and Morrigan (if she's the leader of the Gold Keys) would be there because she's part of the Empress' court now. So in theory Cullen (if he's the leader of the Red Fists) should also be there, if only because the description mentions that the red Templars might be planning something dodgy. Plus, how can we perv on him and make him dance with us, if he isn't there, LOL!

Well, at least the one whose advise you took should accompany you. Oh, that would be really good actually! I do hope they make perving on Cullen more of a priority in this game, the previous ones have been severely lacking in that regard.

[Sifr]

Commander Kurt wrote...
And I'm rather sure that is in fact Cullen, but the idea of him being a spy sort of makes me giggle.

The idea of dressing Cullen in purple and pretty shoes as befitting some kind of novelty strippergram or gigolo, sending him into an enemy stronghold under the guise of having been sent to the wrong place, then using his endearing awkwardness to cover up the fact he's actually scoping the place out...

It's just so crazy... it'd probably work!

[LolaLei]

Commander Kurt: If it wasn't for when that "leak" was posted, I would've presumed that it was fake too. Thing is, the leak happened in February and again in May, long before we had any concept art or trailers/demos/info to go on. This happened during the silence.

I guess it's the fact that they mention things like the red templars by name, gold keys, and red fists long before we saw those statues or heard about any of it from the trailer and demo. It even mentions that the game will take place in Ferelden and Orlais, which we didn't know until last month, before that we thought we'd be going to a bunch of different countries.

[LolaLei]

Sifr1449 wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...
And I'm rather sure that is in fact Cullen, but the idea of him being a spy sort of makes me giggle.

The idea of dressing Cullen in purple and pretty shoes as befitting some kind of novelty strippergram or gigolo, sending him into an enemy stronghold under the guise of having been sent to the wrong place, then using his endearing awkwardness to cover up the fact he's actually scoping the place out...

It's just so crazy... it'd probably work!

I'd pay good money to see that! 

[Chiantirose1982]

 
 I didn't mean to offend anyone. "Militant" just has always meant somewhat more aggressive to me, maybe I misunderstood. I just gave another option, it's not like I say my opinions are fact.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

LOL:

Leliana: "Well... Crow's feathers look simply darling when worn correctly, and purple really suits me!"

Those names are pretty stupid, especially because of the Antivian crows and the Red Fist automatically makes people think "red Templar". Still, it wouldn't surprise me if they've kept the names, calling the new organisation the Inquisition seemed pretty daft after the bad rep the previous one had.

You know... yeah, the names are what really throw me off with this leak. Honestly, they sound just plain stupid. I mean, every faction has to have a color in it?? Seriously.  I may end up eating my words later... but that's my gut reaction.

Now, like Lola said, they could be placeholders. I like the faction idea, and it mirrors something I guess they're doing with the mobile game (the scribbled note of Ashe's from PAX that Comm K clarified a few days ago) where you get extra points for having every party member be from a certain "faction." That game mechanic probably won't happen in DA:I, but it does suggest we could have very clear factions that help or hinder us in game.

I also like the description for the Big Bad's aim of getting back into the Black City, which hits all the buttons by being: simple, dastardly, world changing, lore rich, freakin' cool.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 09 septembre 2013 - 01:43 .

[Commander Kurt]

Sifr1449 wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...
And I'm rather sure that is in fact Cullen, but the idea of him being a spy sort of makes me giggle.

The idea of dressing Cullen in purple and pretty shoes as befitting some kind of novelty strippergram or gigolo, sending him into an enemy stronghold under the guise of having been sent to the wrong place, then using his endearing awkwardness to cover up the fact he's actually scoping the place out...

It's just so crazy... it'd probably work!

This really needs to happen!!

[meanieweenie]

LolaLei wrote...

What does being diplomatic have to do with whether or not something is militant? Militant doesn't mean going into a situation all guns blazing, showing off your legions of soldiers/mercs/whatever like some "badass".

The description gives an example of what each group would advise. The militant advisor suggests we seek aid from the Empress' brother because he has the man-power needed to aid us against the red Templars, that seems pretty sensible to me. If it had said "the Red Fist's leader suggests you kick the door down, headbutt the Empress, ****** in the fountain, demand help and steal some loot" then I'd be more inclined to believe that it wouldn't be Cullen.

Plus, we don't know anything about Iron Bull beyond a brief description.

mil·i·tant

ˈmilətənt/

adjective
adjective: militant

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  1.
  
  
  combative and aggressive in support of a political or social cause, and typically favoring extreme, violent, or confrontational methods.
  
  

[Sifr]

It was the first thing I thought of when I heard Purple Crows, a crazy splinter cell of the Antivans Crows and Bard Order who decided to embrace the mantra of "All the sex, none of the murder".

Plus it'd be fun to see Cullen react to being forced to pretend to be a member.

[R2s Muse]

Commander Kurt wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

R2's got a great one in the works! Her fanfic is fantastic.

Ooohhh, intriguing. I will harass ask her about it when I see her.
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And I'm rather sure that is in fact Cullen, but the idea of him being a spy sort of makes me giggle.

Ah, meanie, rakin' in those bucks as my agent again! :kissing:

I have one in the works with a sorta... sneaky, broken Cullen. ( It's more fun than it sounds!) But, I also have a published one that plays with the idea of Cullen playing double agent, The Coming Storm, which I'm just about to update.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 09 septembre 2013 - 01:47 .

[meanieweenie]

R2 - I only ask for a piece of your soul as payment... and perhaps a lock of hair. For science. LOL

Modifié par meanieweenie, 09 septembre 2013 - 01:50 .

[R2s Muse]

Commander Kurt wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

LOL:

Leliana: "Well... Crow's feathers look simply darling when worn correctly, and purple really suits me!"

Those names are pretty stupid, especially because of the Antivian crows and the Red Fist automatically makes people think "red Templar". Still, it wouldn't surprise me if they've kept the names, calling the new organisation the Inquisition seemed pretty daft after the bad rep the previous one had.

Haha, there you have it then.

Yeah, I can see that happening.  Inquisition doesn't bother me, it instantly tells people that you're a no nonsense gang who will not be trifled with, but Golden Keys? Red Fist? Purple Crows? Is it just me or are these merely things that have been featured in the concept art and then given a color? Are we going to have a "Brown Bowl of Eels" faction as well?

I hope the leak was just some concept art and the rest is someone guessing, but I can also see it being real and in the final game.

Ah, just saw this. Yeah... this is sorta my feeling as well. And makes me want to see the "Brown Bowl of Eels" faction! LMVAO :lol:

[R2s Muse]

meanieweenie wrote...

R2 - I only ask for a piece of your soul as payment... and perhaps a lock of hair. For science. LOL

LOL  Just let me know your preference!

[meanieweenie]

R2s Muse wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

R2 - I only ask for a piece of your soul as payment... and perhaps a lock of hair. For science. LOL

LOL  Just let me know your preference!

*snip*

Bwahaha! I'll take the necklace please. It'll be an homage to Flemeth. lol

Edit - Brown Bowl of Eels!

Modifié par meanieweenie, 09 septembre 2013 - 01:55 .

[Commander Kurt]

LolaLei wrote...

Commander Kurt: If it wasn't for when that "leak" was posted, I would've presumed that it was fake too. Thing is, the leak happened in February and again in May, long before we had any concept art or trailers/demos/info to go on. This happened during the silence.

I guess it's the fact that they mention things like the red templars by name, gold keys, and red fists long before we saw those statues or heard about any of it from the trailer and demo. It even mentions that the game will take place in Ferelden and Orlais, which we didn't know until last month, before that we thought we'd be going to a bunch of different countries.

But then I'll ask again (because it's rather significant); Do we know what was actually leaked? Was it notes, art, DG's personal journal, what? The leak could be true, but the info wrong.

It could be that it was just concept art, and whoever then posted it made their own assumptions/was trolling us. That would explain the crappy names, and that some things appear to be in line with what we've seen so far.

[Commander Kurt]

Gotta run! (Chianti, I don't think you offended anyone, and I got your drift!) I'll catch up and respond later!

[LolaLei]

Commander Kurt wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Commander Kurt: If it wasn't for when that "leak" was posted, I would've presumed that it was fake too. Thing is, the leak happened in February and again in May, long before we had any concept art or trailers/demos/info to go on. This happened during the silence.

I guess it's the fact that they mention things like the red templars by name, gold keys, and red fists long before we saw those statues or heard about any of it from the trailer and demo. It even mentions that the game will take place in Ferelden and Orlais, which we didn't know until last month, before that we thought we'd be going to a bunch of different countries.

But then I'll ask again (because it's rather significant); Do we know what was actually leaked? Was it notes, art, DG's personal journal, what? The leak could be true, but the info wrong.

It could be that it was just concept art, and whoever then posted it made their own assumptions/was trolling us. That would explain the crappy names, and that some things appear to be in line with what we've seen so far.

The two screenshots that I posted last night of the, er... post lol, was the only thing that was shown. No concept art or anything like that. According the original thread it was just someone leaking a few details.