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[Commander Kurt]

Chiantirose1982 wrote...

I don't think they would make Cullen in to a bad guy, at least not without reason. He has seen both sides of the coin, mages going crazy and Templars. He has seen what red lyrium can do to people, so I don't see him taking it voluntarily or any of the Templars in Kirkwall that have seen what happened to Meredith. 

I'm kinda wondering what personality they'll go with in his case. In DA:O he did take a bit of a radical stance, telling you to kill all the Mages. In DA2, I think they soften him a bit. So I'm wondering, how he'll be in DA:I.

But I also can see him throwing it all to the wind, like that picture of the Grey Warden, I could totally see Cullen do the same thing if he sees Templars resorting to huffing/eating/snorting/etc. red lyrium. 

He would actually make a pretty awesome bad guy. It would be someone we know (which makes it feel like a personal betrayal), someone who had a backstory of being on the good side, and he's sexy as all h*ll. But I agree with you, the motivation would be the tricky part.

[Chiantirose1982]

Commander Kurt wrote...

Chiantirose1982 wrote...

I don't think they would make Cullen in to a bad guy, at least not without reason. He has seen both sides of the coin, mages going crazy and Templars. He has seen what red lyrium can do to people, so I don't see him taking it voluntarily or any of the Templars in Kirkwall that have seen what happened to Meredith. 

I'm kinda wondering what personality they'll go with in his case. In DA:O he did take a bit of a radical stance, telling you to kill all the Mages. In DA2, I think they soften him a bit. So I'm wondering, how he'll be in DA:I.

But I also can see him throwing it all to the wind, like that picture of the Grey Warden, I could totally see Cullen do the same thing if he sees Templars resorting to huffing/eating/snorting/etc. red lyrium. 

He would actually make a pretty awesome bad guy. It would be someone we know (which makes it feel like a personal betrayal), someone who had a backstory of being on the good side, and he's sexy as all h*ll. But I agree with you, the motivation would be the tricky part.

See, if they go back to his DA:O personality (I don't know why they would) I could see him not necessarily taking red lyrium, but still being a extreme "Mage Hunter", because at the end of the circle tower quest he has a pretty big hate for the Mages and he seemed like a blind follower of the divine/chantry, young, naive and easily influenced. (My opinion!)

But if they go with the DA:2 personality then I can't see him doing it, he is more open for compromise. He worked out his issues, he's not the mage hater that he used to be. I see more hate of mages in fenris (love that guy and i know he has his reason) than in Cullen. When he says his famous quote "But mages are not like you and me..." I think he means it literally not like a normal human. I mean they can cast fire from their hands, that is not normal, sorry. Doesn't necessary excuse their treatment.

Anyway, If he is a bad guy I hope we can convince him to see reason and join us, kind of like Zevran.

Modifié par Chiantirose1982, 12 septembre 2013 - 08:37 .

[Commander Kurt]

Chiantirose1982 wrote...

See, if they go back to his DA:O personality (I don't know why they would) I could see him not necessarily taking red lyrium, but still being a extreme "Mage Hunter", because at the end of the circle tower quest he has a pretty big hate for the Mages and he seemed like a blind follower of the divine/chantry, young, naive and easily influenced. (My opinion!)

But if they go with the DA:2 personality then I can't see him doing it, he is more open for compromise. He worked out his issues, he's not the mage hater that he used to be. I see more hate of mages in fenris (love that guy and i know he has his reason) than in Cullen. When he says his famous quote "But mages are not like you and me..." I think he means it literally not like a normal human. I mean they can cast fire from their hands, that is not normal, sorry. Doesn't necessary excuse their treatment.

Anyway, If he is a bad guy I hope we can convince him to see reason and join us, kind of like Zevran.

Well, I keep going back to the addict issue, but that or demons is the only way I could see it making sense.

Oooor, since we're sharing fanfic;

He had lost count of the days. Huddled in a corner of his cell, Cullen rested. He had tried to keep this corner clean, scraping the stinking muck covering the floor away with his own hands, but any such delusion had since left him and now his own refuse was mingled with the old. All that mattered was surviving. Resting for the next bout of violent spasms that would slam his head against the stone. Resting for the next time the templars would come and laugh at him, spit on him. His own men. His brothers.

The irony was delicious, even to him. He had given his life, his very soul, to the order. A grown man, and he had never been drunk, nor learned to dance. Never even kissed a girl. Cullen felt the familiar ache in his chest, but there were no more tears left in him. Life had finally wrung him dry. Closing his eyes instead, he rested, and he gave himself a gift. The only gift anyone have ever given him. He gave himself permission. To live, love, want, and have. If he ever left this place, he would give himself all and anything his heart desired.

And at the very top of that list was making them pay.

[Chiantirose1982]

Commander Kurt wrote...

Chiantirose1982 wrote...

See, if they go back to his DA:O personality (I don't know why they would) I could see him not necessarily taking red lyrium, but still being a extreme "Mage Hunter", because at the end of the circle tower quest he has a pretty big hate for the Mages and he seemed like a blind follower of the divine/chantry, young, naive and easily influenced. (My opinion!)

But if they go with the DA:2 personality then I can't see him doing it, he is more open for compromise. He worked out his issues, he's not the mage hater that he used to be. I see more hate of mages in fenris (love that guy and i know he has his reason) than in Cullen. When he says his famous quote "But mages are not like you and me..." I think he means it literally not like a normal human. I mean they can cast fire from their hands, that is not normal, sorry. Doesn't necessary excuse their treatment.

Anyway, If he is a bad guy I hope we can convince him to see reason and join us, kind of like Zevran.

Well, I keep going back to the addict issue, but that or demons is the only way I could see it making sense.

Oooor, since we're sharing fanfic;

He had lost count of the days. Huddled in a corner of his cell, Cullen rested. He had tried to keep this corner clean, scraping the stinking muck covering the floor away with his own hands, but any such delusion had since left him and now his own refuse was mingled with the old. All that mattered was surviving. Resting for the next bout of violent spasms that would slam his head against the stone. Resting for the next time the templars would come and laugh at him, spit on him. His own men. His brothers.

The irony was delicious, even to him. He had given his life, his very soul, to the order. A grown man, and he had never been drunk, nor learned to dance. Never even kissed a girl. Cullen felt the familiar ache in his chest, but there were no more tears left in him. Life had finally wrung him dry. Closing his eyes instead, he rested, and he gave himself a gift. The only gift anyone have ever given him. He gave himself permission. To live, love, want, and have. If he ever left this place, he would give himself all and anything his heart desired.

And at the very top of that list was making them pay.

Oooh, I love it! Not him suffering, but the whole doubting and anger. It would be interesting to see how he would deal with not being in the Order anymore. Would he be just like "Screw, all of you! Mages and Templars alike." or would he be hateful toward any of them? Toward the Mages for Ferelden (but I do think he is over that mostly) or the Templars for Kirkwall (I could see him being bitter, that the order had betrayed him. It was all he knew, it's like pulling the rug out from under his feet) Or he is just staying loyal to his views of the templar order, without the corruption, the one that protects the Mages from the people and the people from Mages. 

Many different ways for him to go. Looking forward to finding it out 

[Chiantirose1982]

 
www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/09/12/bioware-on-race-romance-and-rtime-in-dragon-age/

I find the part where that talk about the characters interesting. 

"And in this case it’s about a world in calamity. It’s about something going on behind the scenes and uncovering it, which is why it’s an Inquisition, not some kind of big military action. In a lot of ways, it’s the scalpel, not the knife. And so what you want to do is say, “What characters have a vested interest in the events that are occurring?” You have a character like Vivienne who was the first enchanter of Orlais. Then the Circles fell apart. That’s a bummer, because she was basically as powerful as a mage could be, and then it all came crashing down. Varric and Cassandra are both absolutely desperate to uncover what’s actually happening. That was made very clear at the end of DA 2."

Wouldn't a (ex) Templar be interested in the events? 

I wonder what Varric reasons are for being there, I really am. He just always had such a neutral stance on everything, other than the "Hanged Man", I just don't see why he would involve himself, unless it's about Hawke maybe?

*made link clickable*

Modifié par Chiantirose1982, 12 septembre 2013 - 11:49 .

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[R2s Muse]

Commander Kurt wrote...

Chiantirose1982 wrote...

See, if they go back to his DA:O personality (I don't know why they would) I could see him not necessarily taking red lyrium, but still being a extreme "Mage Hunter", because at the end of the circle tower quest he has a pretty big hate for the Mages and he seemed like a blind follower of the divine/chantry, young, naive and easily influenced. (My opinion!)

But if they go with the DA:2 personality then I can't see him doing it, he is more open for compromise. He worked out his issues, he's not the mage hater that he used to be. I see more hate of mages in fenris (love that guy and i know he has his reason) than in Cullen. When he says his famous quote "But mages are not like you and me..." I think he means it literally not like a normal human. I mean they can cast fire from their hands, that is not normal, sorry. Doesn't necessary excuse their treatment.

Anyway, If he is a bad guy I hope we can convince him to see reason and join us, kind of like Zevran.

Well, I keep going back to the addict issue, but that or demons is the only way I could see it making sense.

Oooor, since we're sharing fanfic;

He had lost count of the days. Huddled in a corner of his cell, Cullen rested. He had tried to keep this corner clean, scraping the stinking muck covering the floor away with his own hands, but any such delusion had since left him and now his own refuse was mingled with the old. All that mattered was surviving. Resting for the next bout of violent spasms that would slam his head against the stone. Resting for the next time the templars would come and laugh at him, spit on him. His own men. His brothers.

The irony was delicious, even to him. He had given his life, his very soul, to the order. A grown man, and he had never been drunk, nor learned to dance. Never even kissed a girl. Cullen felt the familiar ache in his chest, but there were no more tears left in him. Life had finally wrung him dry. Closing his eyes instead, he rested, and he gave himself a gift. The only gift anyone have ever given him. He gave himself permission. To live, love, want, and have. If he ever left this place, he would give himself all and anything his heart desired.

And at the very top of that list was making them pay.

OMG, that's awesome!  AAAHHH,  poor Cullen!

[R2s Muse]

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WOW!!!  That's so lovely!!  Do you think she'll finish it, or is it finished...? You must be so relieved!

[meanieweenie]

Awesome, Vamp!

[R2s Muse]

Chiantirose1982 wrote...

"You have a character like Vivienne who was the first enchanter of Orlais. Then the Circles fell apart. That’s a bummer, because she was basically as powerful as a mage could be, and then it all came crashing down. "

So... again, I don't understand who she is. "first enchanter of Orlais"??  That was Edmonde in the White Spire, followed by Adrian. Unless she's from Montsimard, but "of Orlais" makes it sound like the Circle was more primary for the country, i.e. White Spire. Also, previous GI description called her next in line to be first enchanter. Grr. I wish they'd be  more clear about who she is.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 12 septembre 2013 - 12:51 .

[VampOrchid]

R2s Muse wrote...

VampOrchid wrote...

ljlsdfjsfrouewrjljdLKJ!!!

Yay! The artist did my winning Sketch!


MUST SHARE!



artist http://mpdigitalart.deviantart.com/

WOW!!!  That's so lovely!!  Do you think she'll finish it, or is it finished...? You must be so relieved!

Not sure. But yes! I left the design up to her. So he's adorable lol

[R2s Muse]

Chiantirose1982 wrote...
 
" Varric and Cassandra are both absolutely desperate to uncover what’s actually happening. That was made very clear at the end of DA 2."

I wonder what Varric reasons are for being there, I really am. He just always had such a neutral stance on everything, other than the "Hanged Man", I just don't see why he would involve himself, unless it's about Hawke maybe?

You know... this is weird, isn't it?  I was just dissecting again Varric's DA2 epilogue convo with  Cass, particularly the pro-mage one. I think it's quite a stretch to say he's "absolutely desperate." About anything in those scenes. So, chantirose, I agree; I can't see him being concerned unless "what's actually happening" somehow endangers Hawke or himself. I'm still baffled as to why he and Cassandra would be traveling together. The only thing they had in common was hero-worship for Hawke. Hmm.

[LolaLei]

Commander Kurt: I love that little fanfic/blurb! Something like that would be awesome for Cullen's progression.

I would imagine that by now he must be starting to get very battle weary and fed up of the constant sh!t he's been dragged through.

[meanieweenie]

R2s Muse wrote...

Chiantirose1982 wrote...
 
" Varric and Cassandra are both absolutely desperate to uncover what’s actually happening. That was made very clear at the end of DA 2."

I wonder what Varric reasons are for being there, I really am. He just always had such a neutral stance on everything, other than the "Hanged Man", I just don't see why he would involve himself, unless it's about Hawke maybe?

You know... this is weird, isn't it?  I was just dissecting again Varric's DA2 epilogue convo with  Cass, particularly the pro-mage one. I think it's quite a stretch to say he's "absolutely desperate." About anything in those scenes. So, chantirose, I agree; I can't see him being concerned unless "what's actually happening" somehow endangers Hawke or himself. I'm still baffled as to why he and Cassandra would be traveling together. The only thing they had in common was hero-worship for Hawke. Hmm.

This is why...



You're welcome.

Modifié par meanieweenie, 12 septembre 2013 - 01:32 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Chiantirose1982 wrote...

Anyway, If he is a bad guy I hope we can convince him to see reason and join us, kind of like Zevran.

Just as an aside, I think it's more like ZEVRAN had to convince YOU to let him join up lol 

[CuriousArtemis]

R2s Muse wrote...

Chiantirose1982 wrote...
 
" Varric and Cassandra are both absolutely desperate to uncover what’s actually happening. That was made very clear at the end of DA 2."

I wonder what Varric reasons are for being there, I really am. He just always had such a neutral stance on everything, other than the "Hanged Man", I just don't see why he would involve himself, unless it's about Hawke maybe?

You know... this is weird, isn't it?  I was just dissecting again Varric's DA2 epilogue convo with  Cass, particularly the pro-mage one. I think it's quite a stretch to say he's "absolutely desperate." About anything in those scenes. So, chantirose, I agree; I can't see him being concerned unless "what's actually happening" somehow endangers Hawke or himself. I'm still baffled as to why he and Cassandra would be traveling together. The only thing they had in common was hero-worship for Hawke. Hmm.

This quote, is this from the devs themselves? Sometimes it seems like they don't even know their own game....

[Chiantirose1982]

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Chiantirose1982 wrote...
 
" Varric and Cassandra are both absolutely desperate to uncover what’s actually happening. That was made very clear at the end of DA 2."

I wonder what Varric reasons are for being there, I really am. He just always had such a neutral stance on everything, other than the "Hanged Man", I just don't see why he would involve himself, unless it's about Hawke maybe?

You know... this is weird, isn't it?  I was just dissecting again Varric's DA2 epilogue convo with  Cass, particularly the pro-mage one. I think it's quite a stretch to say he's "absolutely desperate." About anything in those scenes. So, chantirose, I agree; I can't see him being concerned unless "what's actually happening" somehow endangers Hawke or himself. I'm still baffled as to why he and Cassandra would be traveling together. The only thing they had in common was hero-worship for Hawke. Hmm.

This quote, is this from the devs themselves? Sometimes it seems like they don't even know their own game....

From here.

www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/09/12/bioware-on-race-romance-and-rtime-in-dragon-age/

[Chiantirose1982]

motomotogirl wrote...

Chiantirose1982 wrote...

Anyway, If he is a bad guy I hope we can convince him to see reason and join us, kind of like Zevran.

Just as an aside, I think it's more like ZEVRAN had to convince YOU to let him join up lol 

Lol, yeah that's true. I just used him as an example for an enemy that ends up joining your party.

[Chiantirose1982]

^^^^

What she said.

Modifié par Chiantirose1982, 12 septembre 2013 - 01:49 .

[R2s Muse]

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Chiantirose1982 wrote...
 
" Varric and Cassandra are both absolutely desperate to uncover what’s actually happening. That was made very clear at the end of DA 2."

I wonder what Varric reasons are for being there, I really am. He just always had such a neutral stance on everything, other than the "Hanged Man", I just don't see why he would involve himself, unless it's about Hawke maybe?

You know... this is weird, isn't it?  I was just dissecting again Varric's DA2 epilogue convo with  Cass, particularly the pro-mage one. I think it's quite a stretch to say he's "absolutely desperate." About anything in those scenes. So, chantirose, I agree; I can't see him being concerned unless "what's actually happening" somehow endangers Hawke or himself. I'm still baffled as to why he and Cassandra would be traveling together. The only thing they had in common was hero-worship for Hawke. Hmm.

This quote, is this from the devs themselves? Sometimes it seems like they don't even know their own game....

Yeah, that's what's weird. It's supposedly a direct quote from Mike Laidlaw.

edit: So what's also interesting is it was the GI article text that said Vivienne was next in line. Whereas MLaw here and Cassandra herself, in game, call Vivienne "First Enchanter." So the GI article could have had it wrong...

Modifié par R2s Muse, 12 septembre 2013 - 01:53 .

[LolaLei]

Tbh, it kinda seems like Varric is only a companion again because he was one of the few things about DA2 that a vast number of people actually liked (damn haters). Plus, I guess because DAI looks and feels so different, I guess they wanted someone familiar along for the ride with who the player already knows well and can relate to.

When the demo first started it didn't look like a DA game, and the way they described the things you could do in the game like the outposts and stuff it felt very alien. But once Varric came on screen making a wise crack it did make things feel a little more familiar and reassuring.

[R2s Muse]

HUH! Finally reading through that article in full. Am I reading this right?? Is Mike Laidlaw confirming here that we won't see Tevinter, Rivain, or the Qunari homeland in DAI? They've always given vague answers about staying "to the south."
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"RPS: Given that Varric and Cassandra are party members, I’m assuming Inquisition isn’t terribly far removed from Dragon Age 2′s timeline. For you guys, is there ever an interest in going beyond that point in the Dragon Age world and saying, “Okay, we’ve seen this place. We’ve seen what it’s like at this particular time. Let’s go into the future. Let’s go into the past”?

Laidlaw: I would almost say it’s a classic fantasy temptation. From there, there’s an enormously slippery slope which leads to cogs and large goggles. That’s cool. That’s a neat thing to do and it’s one way to take a franchise. But in our case, any time I’m asked that, I tend to say to myself, “What’s Minrathous like? What’s the capital of the Tevinter Empire like?” I’m kind of curious to find out.

I don’t think I need to go to a different time to see something different. I’ve never been to Antiva. I don’t know what Rivain is like. I’ve never been to the homeland of the Qunari. There’s so much still left out there. There are so many other cool issues we can explore. I don’t necessarily see the future or the past to be places that we need to go digging just yet. There’s so much more stuff that I’d like to explore."

Modifié par R2s Muse, 12 septembre 2013 - 02:08 .

[LolaLei]

I do kinda wonder why we're going back to Ferelden again, rather than somewhere we haven't been before? Could that be because both the Warden and Hawke were from Ferelden and have both disappeared, so we need to go back there to find out why and put an end to that particular plot line?

[littlenikki]

Not to derail the conversation, but I finally finished Asunder! *throws confetti* Hot d*mn, I am so super pumped for DA:I now! Cole is friggen awesome...whatever the hell he is lol. I really hope he gets to be a companion in the next game, they seem to have set him up nicely with that last bit in the epilogue.

Ok, resume speculation!