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R2s Muse wrote...

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Nikki: in theory, except I can't access any of the .mor files in DA2, like I can with DA:O, so I can't make the changes needed to do it.

Um, you can get all the .mor files from face.erf.


Wont let me access those to do it.

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@R2s Muse

As for anatomy practice, I'd like to draw the scene you wrote and posted earlier on this thread, but I'm not sure I can draw water and anything related to...hem.. naked and... wet... skin... *faint*
I'll think about it.

yesyesyesyes! :D:D

I have $20 right here that I will spend in your honor if you draw this scene, Mellora ... Image IPB

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Mellora can be our personal thread artist! We'll pay you in Cullen banners and dodgy photoshopped pictures!

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LolaLei wrote...

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Nikki: in theory, except I can't access any of the .mor files in DA2, like I can with DA:O, so I can't make the changes needed to do it.

Um, you can get all the .mor files from face.erf.


Wont let me access those to do it.

Hmm. I guess I don't know what you mean by "access" those then. You can unpack the erf file using PYGIFF editor. You probaby just need to extract Cullen's head, rename it to Aveline's and put it in the override directory. But, depending on what scene, it may not be possible with the console.

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Well, I can access my save files to change certain things, like Hawke to Cullen, but I can't seem to unpack any of the files in it to be able to rename .mor files to put them in the override.

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LolaLei wrote...

Well, I can access my save files to change certain things, like Hawke to Cullen, but I can't seem to unpack any of the files in it to be able to rename .mor files to put them in the override.

Well, FWIW, that's all covered in the HowTo I sent you once upon a time.

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LolaLei wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

Human: Trevelyon
Elf: Lavellan
Qunari: Adaar
Dwarf: Cadash


"Lavellan" is apparently a Scottish mythological creature... so word origin suggests that if we're an elf we will be Dalish :)


It does sound like it would make a good Dalish Surname. I know we're definitely being given the option to be Dalish again... which means to some extent we'll still have the choice of a few background options in the character creator, even though they said they were scrapping it.

Okay so don't laugh at me, but this is what I think is gonna happen with backgrounds...

We're gonna have four racial origins, each with some kind of familial relationship that makes them each significant to their respective races and so great candidates for Inquisitor. Within the Human, Elf and Qunari origins there will be sub origins that are really just a line of dialogue that differentiates mage from non-mage.

They might all be ancient names that hold great weight, but were thought destroyed, lost, etc and our protagonists are the last of the line.

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That's what I was using, but I still couldn't get it to give me access to the files. I'll try again later. Mainly I need to switch Meredith for Cullen.

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Danny: I know they said the family names are all of high standing and/or different historical significance. Makes me wonder if our protagonist was already someone of high calibre, even before having to form the Inquisition after witnessing the veil rip.

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LolaLei wrote...

Danny: I know they said the family names are all of high standing and/or different historical significance. Makes me wonder if our protagonist was already someone of high calibre, even before having to form the Inquisition after witnessing the veil rip.


Well we know House Cadash was a dwarven noble family. Maybe their Thaig was reclaimed like Kal-Hirol? Maybe the pc is a paragon? Either way they are nobles of some repute.

Trevelyan I'm told is the name of a rl noble family and it's not impossible that the human pc is related to one of the Banns/Arl from the Landsmeet. Maybe Crestwood or West Hill? 

Not much to say about the Dalish except that I kind of consider them the closest thing to elvhen elite. Maybe you are a warrior/keeper of one of the larger clans that tussels with Tevinter from time to time?

As for the Qunari maybe you are one of the top rebels/Tal'Vashoth? Your family lead a mass exodus. some time in the pass, hence all the mercenaries across Thedas? Maybe your just a high level Qunari?

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Pity, I wanted the option to be a complete nobody before rising to power.

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LolaLei wrote...

Pity, I wanted the option to be a complete nobody before rising to power.

Well you can still do that can't you? Dwarf may be a Surface Dwarf, Human may be little more than commoners now, Dalish may be without a clan, Qunari could just be a random Sten or mercenary.

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Okay so don't laugh at me, but this is what I think is gonna happen with backgrounds...

We're gonna have four racial origins, each with some kind of familial relationship that makes them each significant to their respective races and so great candidates for Inquisitor. Within the Human, Elf and Qunari origins there will be sub origins that are really just a line of dialogue that differentiates mage from non-mage.

They might all be ancient names that hold great weight, but were thought destroyed, lost, etc and our protagonists are the last of the line.

I think this sound plausible... altho I would imagine the mage/non-mage differentiation being significant.  I could see being a Dalish or Qunari mage being sort of the same background as any other class, but I guess I would hope a human or maybe city elf mage would acknowledge somehow what role the Circle did or didn't play in their life. Like, maybe you never went to the Circle, so you've been a life long apostate? I dunno. Curious to see how that plays out.

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LolaLei wrote...

Pity, I wanted the option to be a complete nobody before rising to power.


Same. It's looking more and more now though that they want to make players feel like total bosses right from the get-go. They're really emphasizing that the player will have all the "control" and the "power." I just hope they don't forget to tell a really amazing and personal story while they're busy chasing all the old school fanboys.

:(

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motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Pity, I wanted the option to be a complete nobody before rising to power.


Same. It's looking more and more now though that they want to make players feel like total bosses right from the get-go. They're really emphasizing that the player will have all the "control" and the "power." I just hope they don't forget to tell a really amazing and personal story while they're busy chasing all the old school fanboys.

:(

I dunno. I'm really intrigued by the hints they've been giving about how we "survive" the Veil rip event and may or may not have a role in how that happened. Given that it's Bioware, I'm hopeful that our story is compelling from the get go, and that they wouldn't cast us as the typical 'yay, you're a special snowflake, practically perfect in everyway, already awesome' hero. There's got to be a hook in there somewhere! B)

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LolaLei wrote...

That's what I was using, but I still couldn't get it to give me access to the files. I'll try again later. Mainly I need to switch Meredith for Cullen.

Well, let me know if there's a specific question I might be able to answer.

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Okay so don't laugh at me, but this is what I think is gonna happen with backgrounds...

We're gonna have four racial origins, each with some kind of familial relationship that makes them each significant to their respective races and so great candidates for Inquisitor. Within the Human, Elf and Qunari origins there will be sub origins that are really just a line of dialogue that differentiates mage from non-mage.

They might all be ancient names that hold great weight, but were thought destroyed, lost, etc and our protagonists are the last of the line.

I think this sound plausible... altho I would imagine the mage/non-mage differentiation being significant.  I could see being a Dalish or Qunari mage being sort of the same background as any other class, but I guess I would hope a human or maybe city elf mage would acknowledge somehow what role the Circle did or didn't play in their life. Like, maybe you never went to the Circle, so you've been a life long apostate? I dunno. Curious to see how that plays out.


I'm thinking that the familial ties will still be there, but that you lived in the Circle your whole life (as a human) thus coloring that bit of dialogue.

Varric: So tell me about yourself Inquisitor
Inquisitor: What do you want to know? 
Varric: Tell me about your family

*Non-Mage Human*

Trevelyan: My family hails from Greenfell, a small village in North East Ferelden where my sister ruled as Bann. We sided with Loghain during the civil war. That's why I was in Orlais...we had to leave.
*Mage Human*

Trevelyan: I never really knew my family,  my fellow mages are my brothers and sisters and have been since I was sent to the circle. The last I heard my sister sided with Loghain that's why I was transferred to the White Spire/Montsimmard (wherever Vivienne is not from) the templars feared for my safety...or rather they feared chaos should one of their charges be assassinated under their watch.

IDK that's how I imagine it :P

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Danny Boy 7 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Okay so don't laugh at me, but this is what I think is gonna happen with backgrounds...

We're gonna have four racial origins, each with some kind of familial relationship that makes them each significant to their respective races and so great candidates for Inquisitor. Within the Human, Elf and Qunari origins there will be sub origins that are really just a line of dialogue that differentiates mage from non-mage.

They might all be ancient names that hold great weight, but were thought destroyed, lost, etc and our protagonists are the last of the line.

I think this sound plausible... altho I would imagine the mage/non-mage differentiation being significant.  I could see being a Dalish or Qunari mage being sort of the same background as any other class, but I guess I would hope a human or maybe city elf mage would acknowledge somehow what role the Circle did or didn't play in their life. Like, maybe you never went to the Circle, so you've been a life long apostate? I dunno. Curious to see how that plays out.


I'm thinking that the familial ties will still be there, but that you lived in the Circle your whole life (as a human) thus coloring that bit of dialogue.

Varric: So tell me about yourself Inquisitor
Inquisitor: What do you want to know? 
Varric: Tell me about your family

*Non-Mage Human*

Trevelyan: My family hails from Greenfell, a small village in North East Ferelden where my sister ruled as Bann. We sided with Loghain during the civil war. That's why I was in Orlais...we had to leave.
*Mage Human*

Trevelyan: I never really knew my family,  my fellow mages are my brothers and sisters and have been since I was sent to the circle. The last I heard my sister sided with Loghain that's why I was transferred to the White Spire/Montsimmard (wherever Vivienne is not from) the templars feared for my safety...or rather they feared chaos should one of their charges be assassinated under their watch.

IDK that's how I imagine it :P

Yeah, that's a good point. I guess you don't need to know much about the Tower other than "I lived in one. Next silly question." :D

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R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Okay so don't laugh at me, but this is what I think is gonna happen with backgrounds...

We're gonna have four racial origins, each with some kind of familial relationship that makes them each significant to their respective races and so great candidates for Inquisitor. Within the Human, Elf and Qunari origins there will be sub origins that are really just a line of dialogue that differentiates mage from non-mage.

They might all be ancient names that hold great weight, but were thought destroyed, lost, etc and our protagonists are the last of the line.

I think this sound plausible... altho I would imagine the mage/non-mage differentiation being significant.  I could see being a Dalish or Qunari mage being sort of the same background as any other class, but I guess I would hope a human or maybe city elf mage would acknowledge somehow what role the Circle did or didn't play in their life. Like, maybe you never went to the Circle, so you've been a life long apostate? I dunno. Curious to see how that plays out.


I'm thinking that the familial ties will still be there, but that you lived in the Circle your whole life (as a human) thus coloring that bit of dialogue.

Varric: So tell me about yourself Inquisitor
Inquisitor: What do you want to know? 
Varric: Tell me about your family

*Non-Mage Human*

Trevelyan: My family hails from Greenfell, a small village in North East Ferelden where my sister ruled as Bann. We sided with Loghain during the civil war. That's why I was in Orlais...we had to leave.
*Mage Human*

Trevelyan: I never really knew my family,  my fellow mages are my brothers and sisters and have been since I was sent to the circle. The last I heard my sister sided with Loghain that's why I was transferred to the White Spire/Montsimmard (wherever Vivienne is not from) the templars feared for my safety...or rather they feared chaos should one of their charges be assassinated under their watch.

IDK that's how I imagine it :P

Yeah, that's a good point. I guess you don't need to know much about the Tower other than "I lived in one. Next silly question." :D

I was actually agreeing that it could really change the in game dialogue. Gives you a different perspective,  potentially you could also be an apostate that lived with your family your whole life or we could have another Cousland/Amell, Tabris/Surana thing where the mages are a different family altogether.  Dalish background could be mage only...

It's so exciting to speculate though.

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I was actually agreeing that it could really change the in game dialogue. Gives you a different perspective,  potentially you could also be an apostate that lived with your family your whole life or we could have another Cousland/Amell, Tabris/Surana thing where the mages are a different family altogether.  Dalish background could be mage only...

It's so exciting to speculate though.

I know. I suppose it's hard for us (or just me?)  to conceive of how they'll do backgrounds without a playable origin. I do hope the class colors a lot of your interactions that way. My first DA:O playthrough was city elf, and then all the ones I finished after were human, so I never really had the comparison to see how different the elf stuff was (since I had no idea what I was doing the first time around).

The nice thing about them not fleshing out the background too  much is that it can allow you, the player, more flexibility to imagine who you were/what you did.

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R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I was actually agreeing that it could really change the in game dialogue. Gives you a different perspective,  potentially you could also be an apostate that lived with your family your whole life or we could have another Cousland/Amell, Tabris/Surana thing where the mages are a different family altogether.  Dalish background could be mage only...

It's so exciting to speculate though.

I know. I suppose it's hard for us (or just me?)  to conceive of how they'll do backgrounds without a playable origin. I do hope the class colors a lot of your interactions that way. My first DA:O playthrough was city elf, and then all the ones I finished after were human, so I never really had the comparison to see how different the elf stuff was (since I had no idea what I was doing the first time around).

The nice thing about them not fleshing out the background too  much is that it can allow you, the player, more flexibility to imagine who you were/what you did.

Nah it's not just you. I'm just describing what I would like. It's the first time I've been excited since Fires Above and I like when they have these huge backgrounds. But since they said class and specialization is getting more reactivity I expect there will be only a little blurb during character creation and maybe a couple interesting tidbits thrown in.

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Danny Boy 7 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I was actually agreeing that it could really change the in game dialogue. Gives you a different perspective,  potentially you could also be an apostate that lived with your family your whole life or we could have another Cousland/Amell, Tabris/Surana thing where the mages are a different family altogether.  Dalish background could be mage only...

It's so exciting to speculate though.

I know. I suppose it's hard for us (or just me?)  to conceive of how they'll do backgrounds without a playable origin. I do hope the class colors a lot of your interactions that way. My first DA:O playthrough was city elf, and then all the ones I finished after were human, so I never really had the comparison to see how different the elf stuff was (since I had no idea what I was doing the first time around).

The nice thing about them not fleshing out the background too  much is that it can allow you, the player, more flexibility to imagine who you were/what you did.

Nah it's not just you. I'm just describing what I would like. It's the first time I've been excited since Fires Above and I like when they have these huge backgrounds. But since they said class and specialization is getting more reactivity I expect there will be only a little blurb during character creation and maybe a couple interesting tidbits thrown in.

Yeah, I'm imagining something sort of like the blurb during Mass Effect chargen... although I never played far enough in to learn how much that affected your storyline.

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R2s Muse wrote...

My first DA:O playthrough was city elf, and then all the ones I finished after were human, so I never really had the comparison to see how different the elf stuff was (since I had no idea what I was doing the first time around).


Not much :lol: Only real difference is when you meet with the Dalish. They are friendlier to you and call you brother/sister if you're Dalish. If you're a city elf, they're not as polite, but not as hostile as they are to humans. This is only in the initial greeting. 

Otherwise it's pretty much the same throughout the game... I hope DA:I is more reactive.

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Do you guys think there will be a city elf background?

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Considering Qunari lose out an en entire quest hub, I wouldn't doubt that there'll be at least as much reactivity as in origins - possibly more.


motomotogirl wrote...

Same. It's looking more and more now though that they want to make players feel like total bosses right from the get-go. They're really emphasizing that the player will have all the "control" and the "power." I just hope they don't forget to tell a really amazing and personal story while they're busy chasing all the old school fanboys.

:(

I agree, I'm a bit worried as well. I loved pretty much everything that is loveable about DA2, from the personal setting to the all-bi companions, and am more than a tiny bit afraid that many of the things I really liked in DA2 will revert to their DAO design.

But of course, BioWare has yet to make a bad game in my opinion, so I'm sure it'll turn out all right. Whether I'll end up liking Inquisition better than DA2 or not remains to be seen. I mean I absolutely adore Mass Effect and Shepard was a pretty important person right out the gate.


Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Do you guys think there will be a city elf background?

I think city elf is more likely than dalish elf, myself.

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