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[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

The Morrigan thing does seem a bit suspect, not that I mind her being a big part of it either way. I dunno, I kinda feel like that since The Witcher 3 is also coming out at the same time, and is being heavily compared to DAI that they're really pushing the boat out and trying to please a lot of people.

It's just a shame that the Cullen fandom isn't as big as the other fandoms. If it was then maybe we would've got Cullen back in DA2 or something.

Yeah, as much as it annoys me, that's true, and I can't really blame the marketing time. I just grit my teeth every time I see "From the makers of Dragon Age: Origins....!"  Dude, why are you referencing a four year old game?! That honestly has not really stood the test of time. (I'm talking vanilla, non-modded version here.)

And yes about Cullen. Can you imagine if female fans were taken seriously by marketing teams? The DA team couldn't even understand why we were annoyed that no one pointed out that the DA:I protag could be female as well as male. Yes, um, that's kind of important! Sure, us hardcore fans know that, but what about other female fans out there? I was not always a DA fan. Maybe if they had marketed to me, I would have come into the fold sooner and not stumbled into it by chance!

Can't possibly imagine the writers bringing back a male character to please the female fans. Varric is only back because he was everyone's favorite bro.

Y'know what? You're ****ing spot on there! If Cullen had been a bro-type npc in DA2 that had a large fan base (like Varric) then you could bet your arse he would not only be a companion (and possible LI) in DAI but probably in the trailer and heavily featured just like Cass and Varric have been.

It's actually pretty irritating.  Because we're women people presume that we want Cullen for the sole reason of romancing him, but then you get the legions of male Cassandra fans, who want the same thing as the Cullen fans and no one accuses them of just wanting to see her naked, lol.

Modifié par LolaLei, 27 septembre 2013 - 11:56 .

[Adela]

Then perhaps we should be more vocal about it? Since all the other fandoms of other characters have been and pretty much got their wish,

[LolaLei]

ag99 wrote...

Then perhaps we should be more vocal about it? Since all the other fandoms of other characters have been and pretty much got their wish,

We were very vocal, all last year especially. It caused a lot of trouble, lol. Besides, it's too late now. It's all set in stone.

[Adela]

Well I wasnt on the forums last year so i dont know what happen but one other thing that bothers me , is like whenever there is a mention of Cullen everyone blames the Cullen fans why? How come no one blames Cass fans when something comes up about Cass or Morrigan or Leliana or any other characters why are Cullen fans so "hated" then others?

Modifié par ag99, 28 septembre 2013 - 12:04 .

[LolaLei]

ag99 wrote...

Well I wasnt on the forums last year so i dont know what happen but one other thing that bothers me , is like whenever there is a mention of Cullen everyone blames the Cullen fans why? How come no one blames Cass fans when something comes up about Cass or Morrigan or Leliana or any other characters why are Cullen fans so "hated" then others?

LOL, that would probably be because we all used to bombard the threads whenever someone started attacking him and the fandom... it was pretty fun, but we kinda created a monster. It became impossible to ignore Cullen, more so than before.

Soooo, yuh. Everyone knows we want him, but I dunno if it done any good. Maker knows I've tolerated some interesting stuff on the side during this crusade. 

[VampOrchid]

Uhm omg look what Mello just posted!!!!

[LolaLei]

Oooo!!!!

[VampOrchid]

motomotogirl wrote...

You know, one good thing to take away from all of this... is if Cullen is in the game, you know it will be because he's considered significant and interesting, and not because he's being shoved in there to please us. So I feel kind of confident now that his character will be true and not just fan bait

Yeah that is a nice thought. I'm pretty hopeful. They found a way to put him in DA2 and I like that in Dao, Awakenings and Da2 that Bioware did find a way to get Greg in as a VO. So I'm hopeful regardless.

[VampOrchid]

LolaLei wrote...

Oooo!!!!

Dynamic and agressive Cullen, preparing to purge some magic.

His outfit is inspired from the leaked concept art every fan knows.

The drawing is sketchy but I like it as it is.

Also on mellorianj.tumblr.com/

Cullen © Bioware

 

This is her description of him in that pic

[VampOrchid]

My day just got better lol

[Adela]

Well I think you guys have reacted as every other fan of his/hers idol would, I mean im sure that if someone were to bash Morrigan's fans or Cass those ppl would react the same way, so I dont understand why we should be considered as the "crazy" ppl here, I mean all we do is try to make ppl understand where he comes from and not just judge him because he was a crazed psycho who wants to kill everything in his way or whatever, they can still love or hate him but at least they understand where he comes from instead of judging a book by its cover

[Melca36]

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Not gonna lie, despite DG's insistance to the contrary, I do feel like DAI is seemingly pandering to certain fan groups just because DA2 and ME3 caused such a controversy.

I really agree with this, to the point where they are not even mentioning DA2 in marketing. It's like they are on their hands and knees begging the DA:O extreme fanboys to come back to them. It's sickening!!!

Delurking here... Back when Dragon Age 2 was coming up they bashed and criticized Origins in all the interviews. 

That was not exactly the best way to market the game back then.

They have said some nice things about DA2 and have been quite humble about it.   They have not bashed it like they did with Origins.

They have always said they are taking the best from both games.
Its a different game engine....Dragon Age: Inquisition is NOT going to be like Origins or DA2....its going to have its own identity.  

Modifié par Melca36, 28 septembre 2013 - 12:24 .

[LolaLei]

VampOrchid wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

You know, one good thing to take away from all of this... is if Cullen is in the game, you know it will be because he's considered significant and interesting, and not because he's being shoved in there to please us. So I feel kind of confident now that his character will be true and not just fan bait

Yeah that is a nice thought. I'm pretty hopeful. They found a way to put him in DA2 and I like that in Dao, Awakenings and Da2 that Bioware did find a way to get Greg in as a VO. So I'm hopeful regardless.

That's a good point. Let's just hope he'll play a decent size role this time around. After all, DG said himself that the mage/templar rebellion will be a big part of DAI, which is something that Cullen is a big part of.

[Melca36]

oops

Modifié par Melca36, 28 septembre 2013 - 12:23 .

[VampOrchid]

Melca36 wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Not gonna lie, despite DG's insistance to the contrary, I do feel like DAI is seemingly pandering to certain fan groups just because DA2 and ME3 caused such a controversy.

I really agree with this, to the point where they are not even mentioning DA2 in marketing. It's like they are on their hands and knees begging the DA:O extreme fanboys to come back to them. It's sickening!!!

Delurking here... Back when Dragon Age 2 was coming up they bashed and criticized Origins in all the interviews. 

That was not exactly the best way to market the game back then.

They have said some nice things about DA2 and have been quite humble about it.   They have not bashed it like they did with Origins.

They have always said they are taking the best from both games.  I dont think they are pandering to anyway.

The game is not going to be like Origins or DA2....its going to have its own identity.

Well I guess there would be some assumptions to the whole pandering thing. We see Leliana and Morrigan, both fan boy faves from the first game, and then there's Varric and Cass from the second game.

So right now people are just assuming there won't be familiar characters from previous games.

I know that marketing with previous characters that make fan boys go crazy over is kind of getting old. But if they throw in Cullen, as long as he has a good back story, companion or not, I'll be one happy Fan gal

[LolaLei]

Melca36 wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Not gonna lie, despite DG's insistance to the contrary, I do feel like DAI is seemingly pandering to certain fan groups just because DA2 and ME3 caused such a controversy.

I really agree with this, to the point where they are not even mentioning DA2 in marketing. It's like they are on their hands and knees begging the DA:O extreme fanboys to come back to them. It's sickening!!!

Delurking here... Back when Dragon Age 2 was coming up they bashed and criticized Origins in all the interviews. 

That was not exactly the best way to market the game back then.

They have said some nice things about DA2 and have been quite humble about it.   They have not bashed it like they did with Origins.

They have always said they are taking the best from both games.  I dont think they are pandering to anyway.

Its a different game engine....Dragon Age: Inquisition is NOT going to be like Origins or DA2....its going to have its own identity.  

The devs bashed DA:O? Or the "journalists" bashed DA:O?

But anyway, that's the thing. DAI is supposed to be its own game with its own identity, so why bother bringing back past companions of the previous two games to play a massive role in it? Technically their time in the spotlight is over.

Modifié par LolaLei, 28 septembre 2013 - 12:25 .

[VampOrchid]

LolaLei wrote...

VampOrchid wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

You know, one good thing to take away from all of this... is if Cullen is in the game, you know it will be because he's considered significant and interesting, and not because he's being shoved in there to please us. So I feel kind of confident now that his character will be true and not just fan bait

Yeah that is a nice thought. I'm pretty hopeful. They found a way to put him in DA2 and I like that in Dao, Awakenings and Da2 that Bioware did find a way to get Greg in as a VO. So I'm hopeful regardless.

That's a good point. Let's just hope he'll play a decent size role this time around. After all, DG said himself that the mage/templar rebellion will be a big part of DAI, which is something that Cullen is a big part of.

I remember reading an old Fan interview, where DG didn't really know how much Cullen was loved, this was back with DAO. And he said something along the lines that he'd only considered Cullen an R2D2. Someone familiar that's nice to throw back in the mix to tie us to the first game. He then, later on, went to say that adding him to future games was possible and he could see how that character would make for a good companion, because they didn't really explore him much so a story with him could be interesting.

[VampOrchid]

LolaLei wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Not gonna lie, despite DG's insistance to the contrary, I do feel like DAI is seemingly pandering to certain fan groups just because DA2 and ME3 caused such a controversy.

I really agree with this, to the point where they are not even mentioning DA2 in marketing. It's like they are on their hands and knees begging the DA:O extreme fanboys to come back to them. It's sickening!!!

Delurking here... Back when Dragon Age 2 was coming up they bashed and criticized Origins in all the interviews. 

That was not exactly the best way to market the game back then.

They have said some nice things about DA2 and have been quite humble about it.   They have not bashed it like they did with Origins.

They have always said they are taking the best from both games.  I dont think they are pandering to anyway.

Its a different game engine....Dragon Age: Inquisition is NOT going to be like Origins or DA2....its going to have its own identity.  

The devs bashed DA:O? Or the "journalists" bashed DA:O?

But anyway, that's the thing. DAI is supposed to be its own game with its own identity, so why bother bringing back past companions of the previous two games to play a massive role in it? Technically their time in the spotlight is over.

Yeah, I don't really get that either. But, if we complain about it that way, then technically Cullen shouldn't have a role in it either. Cass wasn't a companion, but they are bringing her in as one. So a male that was an NPC and not a companion that they could possibly bring back could be Cullen....my way of thinking ....very wishful, but I like dream land better anyways lol

[LolaLei]

Tbh, if Cullen was just romanceable and not a companion too then I think I'd be slightly offended. As if the "fan girls" only want to shag him.

That's not it at all, yes romancing him would be cool, but I'd want him as a companion role so that we could watch his story unfold and see how his experiences with the Inquisition and party members shapes him as a person.

[Melca36]

LolaLei wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Not gonna lie, despite DG's insistance to the contrary, I do feel like DAI is seemingly pandering to certain fan groups just because DA2 and ME3 caused such a controversy.

I really agree with this, to the point where they are not even mentioning DA2 in marketing. It's like they are on their hands and knees begging the DA:O extreme fanboys to come back to them. It's sickening!!!

Delurking here... Back when Dragon Age 2 was coming up they bashed and criticized Origins in all the interviews. 

That was not exactly the best way to market the game back then.

They have said some nice things about DA2 and have been quite humble about it.   They have not bashed it like they did with Origins.

They have always said they are taking the best from both games.  I dont think they are pandering to anyway.

Its a different game engine....Dragon Age: Inquisition is NOT going to be like Origins or DA2....its going to have its own identity.  

The devs bashed DA:O? Or the "journalists" bashed DA:O?

But anyway, that's the thing. DAI is supposed to be its own game with its own identity, so why bother bringing back past companions of the previous two games to play a massive role in it? Technically their time in the spotlight is over.

I need to find those interviews from PC Gamer and such...but there was heavy bashing of Origins by the developers which was suprising considering how it won so many awards.

They were also somewhat deceptive in how they hyped DA2 as well.

The way they are presenting Inquisition has been refereshing.  They are being honest and I really appreciate that. :wizard:

As for character returns...its going to happen.  Even before we knew Varric was going to be in Inquisition, it was easy to figure if anyone was going to appear in the next game it would be him.


They have been very diplomatic when it comes to talking about DA2.   I think they have learned from their mistakes.

[berelinde]

LolaLei wrote...

It's actually pretty irritating.  Because we're women people presume that we want Cullen for the sole reason of romancing him, but then you get the legions of male Cassandra fans, who want the same thing as the Cullen fans and no one accuses them of just wanting to see her naked, lol.

This has been bugging me for a while. Some of the same people who accuse us of only wanting Cullen for his looks participate actively in threads criticizing how Morrigan and Cassandra look in the new engine. But that's the way it goes.

If David Gaider weren't so obviously in love with Morrigan, I might actually think that she was responsible for the veil tear. Now *that* would be an interesting plot development! And a valid reason why it had to be Morrigan and not Flemeth. But then again, I'm convinced that Leliana is secretly a pride abomination, so don't mind me.

[R2s Muse]

VampOrchid wrote...



Uhm omg look what Mello just posted!!!!

Wow, lotta angst in the Cullen thread tonight. I'm just gonna fangirl. This is  freaking beautiful!!!

[LolaLei]

berelinde wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

It's actually pretty irritating.  Because we're women people presume that we want Cullen for the sole reason of romancing him, but then you get the legions of male Cassandra fans, who want the same thing as the Cullen fans and no one accuses them of just wanting to see her naked, lol.

This has been bugging me for a while. Some of the same people who accuse us of only wanting Cullen for his looks participate actively in threads criticizing how Morrigan and Cassandra look in the new engine. But that's the way it goes.

If David Gaider weren't so obviously in love with Morrigan, I might actually think that she was responsible for the veil tear. Now *that* would be an interesting plot development! And a valid reason why it had to be Morrigan and not Flemeth. But then again, I'm convinced that Leliana is secretly a pride abomination, so don't mind me.

That and the big bad is a "he" again. Why are there never any good female villains? The broodmother doesn't count, she had her ****** out on show... all 8 of them! 

[Potato Cat]

motomotogirl wrote...

It's fine to love Morrigan, and it's 100% true that BW creates amazing female characters. But no way is Morrigan back (and being heavily advertised as being back) for you or me. It's for the straight male players.

Not necessarily. I mean, if they were pandering to the straight male gamer, would they really have allowed to look so visibly age? I mean, look at a game like Soul Calibur, you have female characters like Tira and Ivy who head marketting campaigns who have not aged for years for some reason, and of those allowed to get older, they were either killed off or just sitting knitting at home somewhere while being replaced by a younger hotter version. Tomb Raider too, never seen Lara look anywhere older than thirty and even that's at a push. And how many games has she had now? Also there's the fact she wore a lot less in Origins than she is now.

I remember a quote way back when that said something along the lines of Morrigan best representing the world of Thedas and the conflict within it. She's an important character, and most likely will be till her untimely demise.

[berelinde]

They *can't* make the Big Bad a "she," Lola. It doesn't matter how progressive we become, the role of a female in a video game is always tied to her appearance. If she's pretty, she'll be on the side of right. If she's ugly, she's evil or hopelessly damaged. Meredith's morality is questionable, but there's no denying how cold-looking she was. You will never, ever see a villain who looks like Carrie Fisher.