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[Mellora]

R2s Muse wrote...

I keep wondering if Mellora will post it herself ... so if you'd prefer, my dear, please let me know!!

Oh, no problem, be my guest.
Back from work, I'll continue working on it tonight - Paris time. I chose a very fastidious coloring method (pencil-exclusive) and it's awfully looooong to execute.
His posture is a little bit strange but I'm in love with his face. 
I'll thank Chanda for giving me the idea of exiled templars (have to find her post many pages back and quote it when the job is done).

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Sooo.... just had to share, I'm writing a scene today with Cassandra facing off with Cullen... Oh. Yeah. I sure hope they get to throw down in DA:I.

I was totally trying to record this scene with Cullen as Varric, but for some reason Varric always turns back to his Dwarf self in those scenes, despite the fact that I change his appearance in my save file.

Hmm, it's probably because Varric's not a party member in those scenes. So his appearance isn't governed by your save file. I did these with the apr_base.gda file, renaming the call to Carver's templar appearance to have Varric's body ID (1072). That, and rename cullen head to varric.

EDIT: However, keep in mind that he doesn't sit in the chair, but floats because of the dwarf to human mismatch. So not really video worthy, unless you crop it somehow.

The ending ones he is, which was what I was recording.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Sooo.... just had to share, I'm writing a scene today with Cassandra facing off with Cullen... Oh. Yeah. I sure hope they get to throw down in DA:I.

I was totally trying to record this scene with Cullen as Varric, but for some reason Varric always turns back to his Dwarf self in those scenes, despite the fact that I change his appearance in my save file.

Hmm, it's probably because Varric's not a party member in those scenes. So his appearance isn't governed by your save file. I did these with the apr_base.gda file, renaming the call to Carver's templar appearance to have Varric's body ID (1072). That, and rename cullen head to varric.

EDIT: However, keep in mind that he doesn't sit in the chair, but floats because of the dwarf to human mismatch. So not really video worthy, unless you crop it somehow.

The ending ones he is, which was what I was recording.

My point being that the cutscene isn't necessarily calling Varric from your list of followers. It could be calling Varric from the general resources, because it isn't a scene with you and your party (him talking to Cass doesn't depend on him being in your party or not, so it very well may override your save file settings with its own). The cutscenes often have these things hardcoded in (like Fenris's armor change after sex or Hawke & Merrill disrobing during sex). So, if it wants to know what Varric looks like, it probably goes straight to the appearance file, which still says he looks like Varric.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 30 septembre 2013 - 05:43 .

[Mellora]

LolaLei wrote...
I think I kinda like the idea of him still believing/feeling that it's a sin and initially (as they start to flirt/bond) feeling guilty for having lusty thoughts and urges about the mage Inquisitor, knowing that he will be punished/judged when it's his time to meet the Maker. Then as the friendship develops from obvious attraction/lust to infatuation and love he realises that he can no longer deny himself and that he loves her/him so much that he'd rather face eternal damnation than face the rest of his life without her/him.
... And if he tells my Inquisitor that, then you'll find me in a mushy squeeing pile on the floor!  

Hum, will you curse me if I say that if he's a LI, I'd like Bioware to make Cullen not romanceable for a mage player ?
If he still belongs to the order of course...
And it's a Cumell passionate who says that... I love the impossible love stories but this would be so... what everyone is looking for. I want to be surprised, I want to have LI "hard" to be romanced, I especially want Cullen to be a really demanding one. :happy:

*escape the thread while dodging the stone throwing*

Modifié par Mellora, 30 septembre 2013 - 05:44 .

[R2s Muse]

Mellora wrote...

LolaLei wrote...
I think I kinda like the idea of him still believing/feeling that it's a sin and initially (as they start to flirt/bond) feeling guilty for having lusty thoughts and urges about the mage Inquisitor, knowing that he will be punished/judged when it's his time to meet the Maker. Then as the friendship develops from obvious attraction/lust to infatuation and love he realises that he can no longer deny himself and that he loves her/him so much that he'd rather face eternal damnation than face the rest of his life without her/him.
... And if he tells my Inquisitor that, then you'll find me in a mushy squeeing pile on the floor!  

Hum, will you curse me if I say that if he's a LI, I'd like Bioware to make Cullen not romanceable for a mage player ?
If he still belongs to the order of course...
And it's a Cumell passionate who says that... I love the impossible love stories but this would be so... what everyone is looking for. I want to be surprised, I want to have LI "hard" to be romanced, I especially want Cullen to be a really demanding one. :happy:

*escape the thread while dodging the stone throwing*

LOL I could see that being a hard limit for him, given his past experiences. Personally I wouldn't mind if there are some limitations like this, or Varric only romancing dwarves, etc., so long as they make sense for the character. A case could be made for him finding mages too difficult to get close to... although I think I could make just as good a case for the opposite position... Blood mages certainly should be a hard limit for him (unless his character makes some dramatic shifts in the intervening years).

Modifié par R2s Muse, 30 septembre 2013 - 05:51 .

[LolaLei]

Mellora wrote...

LolaLei wrote...
I think I kinda like the idea of him still believing/feeling that it's a sin and initially (as they start to flirt/bond) feeling guilty for having lusty thoughts and urges about the mage Inquisitor, knowing that he will be punished/judged when it's his time to meet the Maker. Then as the friendship develops from obvious attraction/lust to infatuation and love he realises that he can no longer deny himself and that he loves her/him so much that he'd rather face eternal damnation than face the rest of his life without her/him.
... And if he tells my Inquisitor that, then you'll find me in a mushy squeeing pile on the floor!  

Hum, will you curse me if I say that if he's an LI, I'd like Bioware to make Cullen not romanceable for a mage player ?
If he still belongs to the order of course...
And it's a Cumell passionate who says that... I love the impossible love stories but this would be so... what everyone is looking for. I want to be surprised, I want to have LI "hard" to be romanced, I especially want Cullen to be a really demanding one. :happy:

*escape the thread while dodging the stone throwing*

I'll agree that after all his huffing and puffing about mages it would seem a little strange if he just romanced one easily without having any inner conflict. That being said, I still want him to be willing to romance a mage, simply because I love the idea of a forbidden romance.

I definitely don't think he should be easy to romance though, I like a challenge.

[R2s Muse]

Mellora wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

I keep wondering if Mellora will post it herself ... so if you'd prefer, my dear, please let me know!!

Oh, no problem, be my guest.
Back from work, I'll continue working on it tonight - Paris time. I chose a very fastidious coloring method (pencil-exclusive) and it's awfully looooong to execute.
His posture is a little bit strange but I'm in love with his face. 
I'll thank Chanda for giving me the idea of exiled templars (have to find her post many pages back and quote it when the job is done).

Ah, good! *phew* Can't wait to see the colored version. <3

[LolaLei]

Speaking of a Cullen romance, I wonder if it'll be the Inquisitor to initiate the flirting? I imagine it probably will be, but if you choose not to flirt first, I wonder if they'll have him drop a few hints or maybe get a little flustered or something when talking to the protagonist to make it clear that he's interested, in the same way that Anders and Fenris will hint (to varying degrees of subtlety).

[Mahumia]

I hope they will implement 'hinting'. It is quite unrealistic if the whole world would be awaiting your move first... Would not mind either if one is very subtle whilst the other is really in your face.  Hey, it happens too in the real world... As long as it does not become a Lelianna2 "I like your hair" 'Omg, we're sooooo in a romance!"  'Wait, what?' (not that I really mind if a character misinterprets things, but I do if the game does...)

And a flustered Cullen.... bring it on! I would squee... again... like in DA:O mage origin... but this time I would not let him go

[LolaLei]

Mahumia wrote...

I hope they will implement 'hinting'. It is quite unrealistic if the whole world would be awaiting your move first... Would not mind either if one is very subtle whilst the other is really in your face.  Hey, it happens too in the real world... As long as it does not become a Lelianna2 "I like your hair" 'Omg, we're sooooo in a romance!"  'Wait, what?' (not that I really mind if a character misinterprets things, but I do if the game does...)

And a flustered Cullen.... bring it on! I would squee... again... like in DA:O mage origin... but this time I would not let him go

He's bound to get a little flustered at least once, he has done in both games so far! 

[Mellora]

 

LolaLei wrote...

Mellora wrote...

LolaLei wrote...
I think I kinda like the idea of him still believing/feeling that it's a sin and initially (as they start to flirt/bond) feeling guilty for having lusty thoughts and urges about the mage Inquisitor, knowing that he will be punished/judged when it's his time to meet the Maker. Then as the friendship develops from obvious attraction/lust to infatuation and love he realises that he can no longer deny himself and that he loves her/him so much that he'd rather face eternal damnation than face the rest of his life without her/him.
... And if he tells my Inquisitor that, then you'll find me in a mushy squeeing pile on the floor! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie] [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Hum, will you curse me if I say that if he's an LI, I'd like Bioware to make Cullen not romanceable for a mage player ?
If he still belongs to the order of course...
And it's a Cumell passionate who says that... I love the impossible love stories but this would be so... what everyone is looking for. I want to be surprised, I want to have LI "hard" to be romanced, I especially want Cullen to be a really demanding one. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]

*escape the thread while dodging the stone throwing*

I'll agree that after all his huffing and puffing about mages it would seem a little strange if he just romanced one easily without having any inner conflict. That being said, I still want him to be willing to romance a mage, simply because I love the idea of a forbidden romance.

I definitely don't think he should be easy to romance though, I like a challenge.

Yeah but how will that inner conflict be developed ? with 2 or 3 conversations ? I do like forbidden romance, I have less trust in Bioware capacity and/or will in making deep romance plots. 
Sorry I got bored by how the DA2 romances were "constructed" and I really don't want to have that same superficial approach applied to my favorite templar who's shown a high sense of  duty until now (a big part of his charm imho). 

"Hey, click the heart to start the flirting process (as soon as the 1st conversation, let's not loose time will ya) , say and do everything Cullen likes during the entire game (things related to justice, order, what a good soldier he is would appreciate), don't forget to curse blood magic from time to time, kill plenty of abominations without a scratch and then Cullen will await you in your tent (or keep, or whatever). Ok he'll have 1 or 2 crisis dialogues where he hesitates cause he's a templar and you're a mage, but hey, Thedas is a mess, we can die tomorrow, let's do iiiiiit":wizard:

Ahem.

Sorry. 
@R2s Muse : romance with a blood mage ? So the guy will be no more Cullen. Hello Darth Cullen!

Modifié par Mellora, 30 septembre 2013 - 06:40 .

[LolaLei]

Mellora wrote...

 

LolaLei wrote...

Mellora wrote...

LolaLei wrote...
I think I kinda like the idea of him still believing/feeling that it's a sin and initially (as they start to flirt/bond) feeling guilty for having lusty thoughts and urges about the mage Inquisitor, knowing that he will be punished/judged when it's his time to meet the Maker. Then as the friendship develops from obvious attraction/lust to infatuation and love he realises that he can no longer deny himself and that he loves her/him so much that he'd rather face eternal damnation than face the rest of his life without her/him.
... And if he tells my Inquisitor that, then you'll find me in a mushy squeeing pile on the floor! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie] [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Hum, will you curse me if I say that if he's an LI, I'd like Bioware to make Cullen not romanceable for a mage player ?
If he still belongs to the order of course...
And it's a Cumell passionate who says that... I love the impossible love stories but this would be so... what everyone is looking for. I want to be surprised, I want to have LI "hard" to be romanced, I especially want Cullen to be a really demanding one. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]

*escape the thread while dodging the stone throwing*

I'll agree that after all his huffing and puffing about mages it would seem a little strange if he just romanced one easily without having any inner conflict. That being said, I still want him to be willing to romance a mage, simply because I love the idea of a forbidden romance.

I definitely don't think he should be easy to romance though, I like a challenge.

Yeah but how will that inner conflict be developed ? with 2 or 3 conversations ? I do like forbidden romance, I have less trust in Bioware capacity and/or will in making deep romance plots. 
Sorry I got bored by how the DA2 romances were "constructed" and I really don't want to have that same superficial approach applied to my favorite templar who's shown a high sense of  duty until now (a big part of his charm imho). 

"Hey, click the heart to start the flirting process (as soon as the 1st conversation, let's not loose time will ya) , say and do everything Cullen likes during the entire game (things related to justice, order, what a good soldier he is would appreciate), don't forget to curse blood magic from time to time, kill plenty of abominations without a scratch and then Cullen will await you in your tent (or keep, or whatever). Ok he'll have 1 or 2 crisis dialogues where he hesitates cause he's a templar and you're a mage, but hey, Thedas is a mess, we can die tomorrow, let's do iiiiiit":wizard:

Ahem.

Sorry. 
@R2s Muse : romance with a blood mage ? So the guy will be no more Cullen. Hello Darth Cullen!

I think he should categorically refuse to romance a blood mage, given what he experienced at the hands of them in Ferelden.

I'm hoping that we wouldn't actually get to even begin to flirt with him until we've gotten to know him a bit first and started to earn his trust. I'll be very disappointed if any of the love interests give us an insta-flirt option like DA2, unless the character is particularly forward like Zev or Isabela.

Modifié par LolaLei, 30 septembre 2013 - 06:44 .

[Mahumia]

I would actually like it if some characters decline the romance if you are too flirty from the start. I doubt Cullen would like either if you all 'why hello there *wink wink*' when you have just met him.

I did not like any 'you have to flirt right away or you won't get a romance'-dumbed down stuff from DA2. Well ok, in the story time has passed, so it is not 'right away', but it still feels that way for me, the player. I hope any romance (initiations) will be more build into the story and your actions. More Alistairs rose scenes: yes please!

[CuriousArtemis]

We've had character initiate attraction, like Anders and Isabela. I think they're the only ones so far??

I wanted so much for Zevran to initiate the romance, but he doesn't. Or... I think he may flirt, but he doesn't really try to get you into bed. You have to initiate it. That was frustrating because I wanted to play (I almost wrote "write"!) a shy Warden.

Personally I think the DA2 romances were pretty good; Fenris' in particular was very in depth and I felt flowed quite nicely. But I will agree that Anders' moved too fast.

Also, Merrill showing up at your doorstep after a few innocent flirts is a bit odd, but at the same time... good for her for taking the initiate. Kind of cute, really.

I would love for Cullen to take the initiative

[Mellora]

R2s Muse wrote...
 Ah, good! *phew* Can't wait to see the colored version. <3

You know you made me laugh when you reblogged this on tumblr



Will have to draw templars snorting pieces of Meredith's statue, now...

[CuriousArtemis]

Mahumia wrote...

I did not like any 'you have to flirt right away or you won't get a romance'-dumbed down stuff from DA2. Well ok, in the story time has passed, so it is not 'right away', but it still feels that way for me, the player. I hope any romance (initiations) will be more build into the story and your actions. More Alistairs rose scenes: yes please!

You have to flirt with Alistair to get him to give you the rose.

Same with everyone else, in DA:O or DA2. You have to flirt with them. And in DA2, you don't have to flirt until Act 2.

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

Mahumia wrote...

I did not like any 'you have to flirt right away or you won't get a romance'-dumbed down stuff from DA2. Well ok, in the story time has passed, so it is not 'right away', but it still feels that way for me, the player. I hope any romance (initiations) will be more build into the story and your actions. More Alistairs rose scenes: yes please!

You have to flirt with Alistair to get him to give you the rose.

Same with everyone else, in DA:O or DA2. You have to flirt with them. And in DA2, you don't have to flirt until Act 2.

I think she meant that it took a while before you could flirt with Alistair, and then after that it took a while before he gave you the flower (without cheating by plying him with gifts, anyway).

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

I think she meant that it took a while before you could flirt with Alistair, and then after that it took a while before he gave you the flower (without cheating by plying him with gifts, anyway).

 Pretty sure you can flirt with Alistair right away.

Right, if you just up his approval he will give you that rose pretty damn quick 

One thing about the rose, and Zevran's earring for that matter, is that THEY approached YOU. I do like that. More of that, please

[Mellora]

No you have to reach a certain amount of approval before flirting with Alistair, not a big amount, but still, it takes some time before you can tell him he looks handsome...

Edit : Didn't try with a M!Hawke but with F!Hawke you can flirt with Fenris from the 1st conversation; where he responds he will work on his hability for flattering or something like that, for their next meeting. Anders is flirty at the 1st conversation (if peaceful answers are chosen) but will then turn reluctant if F!Hawke responds to the flirt (no stop, I will hurt youuuu). 

Modifié par Mellora, 30 septembre 2013 - 07:24 .

[CuriousArtemis]

 Huh, maybe I just interpreted flirting differently  Then again I've only tried to romance Alistair twice; first time with a FemDN, but got bored. Then with a modded male Surana, but never finished that either.

Anyway, like I said, you don't have to flirt right away in DA2. And even when you do, they don't exactly leap right into your arms. 

I love the first flirt line for Fenris because he gives that little embarrassed laugh, like, Did s/he really just say that?? 

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I think she meant that it took a while before you could flirt with Alistair, and then after that it took a while before he gave you the flower (without cheating by plying him with gifts, anyway).

 Pretty sure you can flirt with Alistair right away.

Right, if you just up his approval he will give you that rose pretty damn quick 

One thing about the rose, and Zevran's earring for that matter, is that THEY approached YOU. I do like that. More of that, please

Naw, there's a sort of flirty-ish line at Flemeth's hut when the female Warden can say that her home is where-ever he is (or something like that, I dunno if a male Warden can say it too), but it's more of a touching bonding moment between them because they've both just lost everybody and have no one else but each other, so I don't really see it as flirting.

After that you can't flirt until you're given the option to tell him he's handsome, which usually happens quite some time after leaving Lothering. Apparently if you don't say it first then Alistair will test the waters by saying something flirty, but I've never tested that out.

Modifié par LolaLei, 30 septembre 2013 - 07:27 .

[Mahumia]

I had the idea that it indeed took some time before you could go from 'first flirt' to 'the rose'. My mistake if I have remembered it wrong though I liked (having the idea) that you first got to get to know eachother a bit before going all flirty (giving a compliment or tiny flirt not included). Might also be because I am a person myself who does not mind flirting a bit, but gets all flustered when someone is more serious and runs off if I do not know the person well enough...

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

Naw, there's a sort of flirty-ish line at Flemeth's hut when the female Warden can say that her home is where-ever he is (or something like that, I dunno if a male Warden can say it too), but it's more of a touching bonding moment between them because they've both just lost everybody and have no one else but each other, so I don't really see it as flirting. 

Hmm, I think this is the issue here. See, I played lots of male Wardens first (didn't necessarily complete the game that many times, but did start it A LOT). Then when I finally fired up a female Warden, I noticed that the dialogue with Alistair changed almost IMMEDIATELY. It's very different. So I was interpreting those differences as flirt opportunities.

[R2s Muse]

motomotogirl wrote...


I love the first flirt line for Fenris because he gives that little embarrassed laugh, like, Did s/he really just say that?? 

I loved that, too.

TBH, I don't really care who starts what, so long as it's in character. I hope the bruhaha over dudes being hit on by Anders doesn't make the devs extra cautious about this, and they just let it be natural to the characters and story they're telling. Like, with the Fenris romance, depending on where in the story  you decide to hook up with Fenris it's either you initiating (and throwing him against the wall), or him initiating (and throwing you against the wall).

That being said, we all know the flirt icons are here to stay, so at least I won't miss out on the stealthy flirt lines like getting Sebastian to blush and need to pray.

[R2s Muse]

Mellora wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...
 Ah, good! *phew* Can't wait to see the colored version. <3

You know you made me laugh when you reblogged this on tumblr



Will have to draw templars snorting pieces of Meredith's statue, now...

I will give you all the internets for this!! :lol: