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[VampOrchid]

berelinde wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Not having been at the Edmonton BW panel, I'm just guessing based on ag99 share of fan summary. But, I can't help but wonder if the Valentine's Day promise of LI reveal was a little tongue in cheek. That's what they did with DA2, right, and sure, it's a cute gimmick. But part of me doesn't put too much stock in it, for all the reasons mentioned about how early that is...

If it was tongue in cheek, it wasn't as blatant as usual. Mailboxes weren't mentioned.

If David Gaider had his druthers, they wouldn't announce any of the companions - let alone LIs - until the game was actually out just because he hates dealing with fan disappointment, but there are two ways to deal with disappointment. The first way is to delay the news as long as possible in hopes that folks will be happy enough to have a game in their hands that they won't start a sh!tstorm on the forums. The second way is to get it all out there as early as possible to let folks get over it and move on. A Feb 14 date would definitely allow enough time for fans to overcome their disappointment and get excited about the game again.

I'm a big proponent of the second approach. I already had my "You aren't getting what you want, so get over it" moment when they announced Vivienne, claiming the spot for pro-Circle mage. I still rage that they're being so closed-mouthed about the boys, but for the most part, my big disappointment is over and I can enjoy the anticipation without the stress. If they announced the other companions and announced the LIs, it might actually cut down on forum drama.

Yeah I tend to agree with this.

And I do find that they either showed us two companions that we already new of (Varric and Cass) and leaned more towards the fan boys with the characters they showed (Cass and Viv and NPC Morrigan). Also, they go by what apparently is most popular (Varric-Morrigan).

So in the future I would like to see a change, if possible. That they keep the 'known' characters a secret. And cater to both men and women in all aspects. Like if you are going to have video/demo or whatever...Show a male and female character and use a fem/male protag. Switch between the two, what's the big deal. You'll appeal to both sides of the fence and get more ppl interested and some that probably weren't interested.

I think DG is really getting the hang of that. I saw his video where he talks about that and how he's learned some new things and got some insight with having women on their writing team and so on.

It would just be nice to see that in the aspects of marketing as well.

[R2s Muse]

Yeah, they've been a little hit and miss with their marketing so far... altho the GI article was a nice step forward even in spite of its male-directed "fan favorites." Here's hoping they start to release more info on a regular basis. My biggest hope is that they finally put us out of our misery regarding Cullen, one way or another, so the Cullen fans can stop being thrown to the wolves and folks can focus on the other companions at last.

[VampOrchid]

motomotogirl wrote...


Agree with this; I mean if the game is due to drop, say, November 2014, and they release all the LI in September 2014, and they turn out to be, oh, say Varric and Dorian, I would be so upset that I might not even buy the game two months later lol 

But if they released that devestating news in February 2014, I'd have time to get over it and start being interested in the game again, aside from the romances.

I don't think the LI's will affect my choices on buying the game or not. But I think it would erk me. So yeah, having that news coming out earlier on would probably be better for most.

[VampOrchid]

R2s Muse wrote...

Yeah, they've been a little hit and miss with their marketing so far... altho the GI article was a nice step forward even in spite of its male-directed "fan favorites." Here's hoping they start to release more info on a regular basis. My biggest hope is that they finally put us out of our misery regarding Cullen, one way or another, so the Cullen fans can stop being thrown to the wolves and folks can focus on the other companions at last.

Ugh that would be nice...

But this is what tends to feed my theory of that he's in the game in a major way. If he wasn't, why wouldn't they just come out and say, Sorry Cullen gals, he's not in it. Then that way we could stop trying to prove why he should/is gonna be/ would be great in the game.

These are reasons I think he'll probably be in it. It almost feels like Anders all over again. Maybe they learnt their lesson with him? Hmmm...

[Adela]

I guess this somewhat "clarifies" the romance reveal

David Gaider wrote...

Some of the things mentioned here regarding what I said are paraphrased, so I'll elaborate a little:

The romance options will not be released until sometime next year. Gaider said he’d like to release them February 14th, but that just seemed like a desire rather than a set date. They said the reason for this is they don’t want to say someone is romanceable, only to find out they don’t have time to program it in and then disappoint people later on.

As mentioned, I said Valentine's Day would be a cool day to release more info on the romances. There are, however, no current plans for releasing more info regarding the romances-- I am certainly not in charge of that.

Morrigan is not a party member, not romanceable, but she is also not just a cameo. She will play an active role. Gaider said a lot of our questions after DAO should be answered with regards to Morrigan.

I actually said that it was time to start answering questions about Morrigan, instead of posing new ones. I did not say "a lot of your questions" would be answered, just to be specific.

Modifié par ag99, 01 octobre 2013 - 05:59 .

[R2s Muse]

ag99 wrote...

I guess this somewhat "clarifies" the romance reveal

David Gaider wrote...

Some of the things mentioned here regarding what I said are paraphrased, so I'll elaborate a little:

The romance options will not be released until sometime next year. Gaider said he’d like to release them February 14th, but that just seemed like a desire rather than a set date. They said the reason for this is they don’t want to say someone is romanceable, only to find out they don’t have time to program it in and then disappoint people later on.

As mentioned, I said Valentine's Day would be a cool day to release more info on the romances. There are, however, no current plans for releasing more info regarding the romances-- I am certainly not in charge of that.

Morrigan is not a party member, not romanceable, but she is also not just a cameo. She will play an active role. Gaider said a lot of our questions after DAO should be answered with regards to Morrigan.

I actually said that it was time to start answering questions about Morrigan, instead of posing new ones. I did not say "a lot of your questions" would be answered, just to be specific.

LOL As I suspected about the Valentine's Day comment.

[VampOrchid]

R2s Muse wrote...

ag99 wrote...

I guess this somewhat "clarifies" the romance reveal

David Gaider wrote...

Some of the things mentioned here regarding what I said are paraphrased, so I'll elaborate a little:

The romance options will not be released until sometime next year. Gaider said he’d like to release them February 14th, but that just seemed like a desire rather than a set date. They said the reason for this is they don’t want to say someone is romanceable, only to find out they don’t have time to program it in and then disappoint people later on.

As mentioned, I said Valentine's Day would be a cool day to release more info on the romances. There are, however, no current plans for releasing more info regarding the romances-- I am certainly not in charge of that.

Morrigan is not a party member, not romanceable, but she is also not just a cameo. She will play an active role. Gaider said a lot of our questions after DAO should be answered with regards to Morrigan.

I actually said that it was time to start answering questions about Morrigan, instead of posing new ones. I did not say "a lot of your questions" would be answered, just to be specific.

LOL As I suspected about the Valentine's Day comment.

Yeah I remember him saying it would be cool.
I think it would be...well kind of lame lol. My bday is the day before feb 14, not a fan of Love day lol

[Adela]

For me, as I have mentioned earlier I would have liked it if they would revealed it then, because I would have time to get over my disappointment, now granted, I never expect for them to reveal ALL the romance options but I suppose it would be nice to at least let us know where Cullen stands that's all I want to know

[R2s Muse]

LOL Vamp, I can see that! Not a fan of V-day either... But it would be cute to hear about the LIs then. Regardless, I just hope they keep sharing. Can't wait for 2014 for more companion info.

edit: and thanks, ag99, for the reporting!

Modifié par R2s Muse, 01 octobre 2013 - 06:38 .

[Adela]

R2s Muse wrote...

LOL Vamp, I can see that! Not a fan of V-day either... But it would be cute to hear about the LIs then. Regardless, I just hope they keep sharing. Can't wait for 2014 for more companion info.

edit: and thanks, ag99, for the reporting!

Np, I also cant wait for 2014 to see what else they will tell/show us  besides the romance thing, I'm still hoping for a glimpse of the CC:D, also cant wait for PAX east

[berelinde]

DG's comments regarding the reliability of the quote don't refute another point. What's with this "don't have time to program in" business? I assumed they were going to go with the 2/2 model they used in both previous games, with the understanding that all romances were available to everyone, but if you're going to have romances at all, you can't really reduce more than that. What would you cut? Or could it refer to a possible 2/2/2 arrangement? I know DG likes that model, with good reason, but I don't see them upping the romance content to 6 without seriously impacting the content each received. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd rather have 4 fully implemented romances than 6 that felt unfinished.

[Mahumia]

Perhaps they will also implement non-companion romances, and can therefore 'expand' on the options? But indeed, as long as they are fully implemented.

[LolaLei]

berelinde wrote...

DG's comments regarding the reliability of the quote don't refute another point. What's with this "don't have time to program in" business? I assumed they were going to go with the 2/2 model they used in both previous games, with the understanding that all romances were available to everyone, but if you're going to have romances at all, you can't really reduce more than that. What would you cut? Or could it refer to a possible 2/2/2 arrangement? I know DG likes that model, with good reason, but I don't see them upping the romance content to 6 without seriously impacting the content each received. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd rather have 4 fully implemented romances than 6 that felt unfinished.

Oooo, good catch! Maybe there will be more than the usual 2/2 then? Maybe a couple of non-companions or something?

[LolaLei]

Mahumia wrote...

Perhaps they will also implement non-companion romances, and can therefore 'expand' on the options? But indeed, as long as they are fully implemented.

Lol beat me to it!

[R2s Muse]

Eh, I'm not gonna worry. For all we know that means extra over what would be 'normal.' Or not. Regardless, I'm sure what we get will be great.

[Adela]

berelinde wrote...

DG's comments regarding the reliability of the quote don't refute another point. What's with this "don't have time to program in" business? I assumed they were going to go with the 2/2 model they used in both previous games, with the understanding that all romances were available to everyone, but if you're going to have romances at all, you can't really reduce more than that. What would you cut? Or could it refer to a possible 2/2/2 arrangement? I know DG likes that model, with good reason, but I don't see them upping the romance content to 6 without seriously impacting the content each received. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd rather have 4 fully implemented romances than 6 that felt unfinished.

Idk they still have a year so they could work it out if they really wanted too, and not necesarily make them feel unfisnished

However I heard that ME had non companion romances and ppl said they were kind of undone, perhaps something like Sebastion , but either way, if Cullen would turn out to be a non companion  romance.. well hell I would be happy with that too  as long as he gets a bit more content then just him beeing all buissness

Modifié par ag99, 01 octobre 2013 - 07:21 .

[LolaLei]

ag99 wrote...

berelinde wrote...

DG's comments regarding the reliability of the quote don't refute another point. What's with this "don't have time to program in" business? I assumed they were going to go with the 2/2 model they used in both previous games, with the understanding that all romances were available to everyone, but if you're going to have romances at all, you can't really reduce more than that. What would you cut? Or could it refer to a possible 2/2/2 arrangement? I know DG likes that model, with good reason, but I don't see them upping the romance content to 6 without seriously impacting the content each received. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd rather have 4 fully implemented romances than 6 that felt unfinished.

Idk they still have a year so they could work it out if they really wanted too, and not necesarily make them feel unfisnished

However I heard that ME had non companion romances and ppl said they were kind of undone, perhaps something like Sebastion , but either way, if Cullen would turn out to be a non companion  romance.. well hell I would be happy with that too  as long as he gets a bit more content then just him beeing all buissness

The thing to keep in mind is that they made DA2 in little over a year, so A LOT of content can be added to the game (for example, the multiple races). Either way, here's hoping that whatever they've got planned (be it romance, or other) makes it into the game. 

[R2s Muse]

If they do add non-companion romances, I'm sure no matter how many words are assigned to each, they'll appear to be 'lesser than'. Regardless, I still want one! I don't think we'll ever have any idea what could or couldn't have been shoe horned into the new game. It's the same roundabout argument with Day One DLCs. Is it content we would have gotten anyway or not?

I think DG's point that they don't want to talk about anything they're not sure about is a good one... Maybe they're experimenting with something new, so not sure how it'll turn out? I think they've earned the benefit of the doubt.

[LolaLei]

D'ya know what I wonder?

Back before DAI was announced, in the DA2 forums there used to be some pretty big threads about things like wanting prettier environments and weather effects, how important ambience is in games, things we wanted in character creator, theories about red lyrium and what might happen if the rebelled templars got their hands on it, etc. It makes me wonder if they actually paid closer attention to those threads than I initially thought.

I wonder what else they've taken on board and added to the game based off threads like that?

[Adela]

Well yea i think they have been listening to the fans quite a bit, for example like a lot of ppl wanted the races back and then some ppl wanted to play as a Qunari and then some ppl wanted tactical camera back also there were endless threads about CC and Mark already kind of confirmed that there are a lot of hairstyles , but see this is what kind of worries me that maybe sometimes they listen a bit too much to non character fans witch is why I have my doubts about Cullen now I know I brought this up plenty of times but yea....

[LolaLei]

Jason Hill: "Playing Dragon Age Origins for reference for #DAI ... blast to the past!"

I wonder why DA:O and not DA2? Maybe more loose threads from DA:O is coming back than DA2?

[Adela]

LolaLei wrote...

Jason Hill: "Playing Dragon Age Origins for reference for #DAI ... blast to the past!"

I wonder why DA:O and not DA2? Maybe more loose threads from DA:O is coming back than DA2?

Maybe because of the tactical view?

Modifié par ag99, 01 octobre 2013 - 08:03 .

[LolaLei]

ag99 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Jason Hill: "Playing Dragon Age Origins for reference for #DAI ... blast to the past!"

I wonder why DA:O and not DA2? Maybe more loose threads from DA:O is coming back than DA2?

Maybe because of the tactical view?

I dunno, I don't think they'd need to remind themselves of that by playing DA:O lol.

[Chanda]

LolaLei wrote...

Jason Hill: "Playing Dragon Age Origins for reference for #DAI ... blast to the past!"

I wonder why DA:O and not DA2? Maybe more loose threads from DA:O is coming back than DA2?

Maybe because of Morrigan? And Alistair? Aaaand... Poor, tortured Cullen?


I mean, you didn't have to play as a mage to see what it was that Cullen went through.

[LolaLei]

Chanda wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Jason Hill: "Playing Dragon Age Origins for reference for #DAI ... blast to the past!"

I wonder why DA:O and not DA2? Maybe more loose threads from DA:O is coming back than DA2?

Maybe because of Morrigan? And Alistair? Aaaand... Poor, tortured Cullen?


I mean, you didn't have to play as a mage to see what it was that Cullen went through.

LOL, probably Morrigan.