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[Chiantirose1982]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Chiantirose1982 wrote...

I like this snippet of explanation, but I can't really think of any BioWare character in the games i played so far.

adventuresofcomicbookgirl.tumblr.com/post/13913540194/mary-sue-what-are-you-or-why-the-concept-of-sue-is

That was an amazing read. I'm keeping it bookmarked for future readings and linkings =) All those terrible female power fantasies, indeed.

Mahumia wrote...

VERY interesting read, thank you (I've been wondering about Mary Sue, the concept is new to me and I don't know that we have a swedish equivalent)!!

Pippi Longstocking is too badass to be a Mary Sue ^^

Oh yeah ... she was my favorite "super hero" when I was a little kid. I was dressed up like her for Fasching (kind of like the american halloween) for years. Love her to bits <3

[Mahumia]

Chiantirose1982 wrote...

Honestly, I don't even know what "Mary Sue" means anymore. I heard a lot of people call Liara a Mary Sue because of her plot armor I guess. Bella Swan is the one female that pops in my mind when people say Mary Sue.

I like this snippet of explanation, but I can't really think of any BioWare character in the games i played so far.

adventuresofcomicbookgirl.tumblr.com/post/13913540194/mary-sue-what-are-you-or-why-the-concept-of-sue-is

That is an interesting read indeed! By some standards, every female character would be a Mary Sue...

[Commander Kurt]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Pippi Longstocking is too badass to be a Mary Sue ^^

Sure is!

(Although, now I keep picturing her as a self-insert with Astrid Lindgren in striped stockings and braids.. )

[Commander Kurt]

Mahumia wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

Mahumia wrote...

berelinde wrote...

To me, it looks as if he's hyperventilating out of fear. Whether fear of the girl by the door of fear of being seen, I couldn't tell you.

My interpretation was actually this: He was feeling awkward of entering the brothel for the investigation, as he could already guess that the ladies would not really be cooperative (but might try to seduce him anyway) and gossips that would spread (naughty templar!). As he was quite nervous, he wanted to attempt to get calm again, and tried to get his breathing under controll (breath in.... breath out), but, saying that in-and-out-thing to himself, he noticed the pun and went totally Sebastians--like 'I need to pray... a lot.'

Yeah, this is how I take it as well (maybe throw in him noticing some physical reaction to the in-out thing, but that's just my mind being what it is).

Panters don't usually need to remind themselves to pant, do they..?

The 'physical reaction' is what triggers the  'I need to pray' in my mind

Hahaha, yup!

[Commander Kurt]

By the way, a tip for those who enjoy games with nice storytelling! I just finished "Brothers - A Tale of Two Sons", which is basically a single-player co-op game. You control two characters at once, solving puzzles along the way.

Now, the puzzles are really basic and you can even skip most of them, the gameplay is mostly about getting a nice flow, but the game is a great interactive fairytale. I was kinda "meh" at first, but it grew on me something fierce and by the time it ended (it's pretty short) I was invested like crazy.

You can get it on all platforms but you need a controller to play it on PC (I think).

[meanieweenie]

Commander Kurt wrote...

By the way, a tip for those who enjoy games with nice storytelling! I just finished "Brothers - A Tale of Two Sons", which is basically a single-player co-op game. You control two characters at once, solving puzzles along the way.

Now, the puzzles are really basic and you can even skip most of them, the gameplay is mostly about getting a nice flow, but the game is a great interactive fairytale. I was kinda "meh" at first, but it grew on me something fierce and by the time it ended (it's pretty short) I was invested like crazy.

You can get it on all platforms but you need a controller to play it on PC (I think).

I was eyeballing that game a few days ago. Good to know. If I have to use a controller I may have to skip it though. Poor hand eye coordination and all.

[LolaLei]

I've been playing Final Fantasy 9, but the only thing that drives me to rage quit is the constant battle encounters. Like, you take 2 steps and you trigger a battle, then you take 2 more steps and trigger yet another battle. Rinse. Repeat.

Does my ****ing head in.

[R2s Muse]

Commander Kurt wrote...

Mahumia wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

Mahumia wrote...

berelinde wrote...

To me, it looks as if he's hyperventilating out of fear. Whether fear of the girl by the door of fear of being seen, I couldn't tell you.

My interpretation was actually this: He was feeling awkward of entering the brothel for the investigation, as he could already guess that the ladies would not really be cooperative (but might try to seduce him anyway) and gossips that would spread (naughty templar!). As he was quite nervous, he wanted to attempt to get calm again, and tried to get his breathing under controll (breath in.... breath out), but, saying that in-and-out-thing to himself, he noticed the pun and went totally Sebastians--like 'I need to pray... a lot.'

Yeah, this is how I take it as well (maybe throw in him noticing some physical reaction to the in-out thing, but that's just my mind being what it is).

Panters don't usually need to remind themselves to pant, do they..?

The 'physical reaction' is what triggers the  'I need to pray' in my mind

Hahaha, yup!

Sooo... I will now admit the ephiphany I finally had this morning with this particular comic -- and thank you guys for finally getting me to see it in a different light. I finally realize that the reason no one else is skeeved out is because I'm the only one misinterpreting it!

No matter how many times it's been posted here and discussed in the thread, up until now I thought the last panel was him, erm, on his way out of the Blooming Rose. Meaning... the first panels weren't him preparing to go in, but were of him... already, um, IN(!), if you know what I mean. And at the end, he's regretting that he used that particular means of getting the information he needed at the Blooming Rose... 

SO perhaps now it makes more sense why I thought it was rather out of character for him. And now I understand  how it can be considered cute instead of skeevie. Isn't it strange how your brain can see different things...

[Lord Xendria]

LolaLei wrote...

I've been playing Final Fantasy 9, but the only thing that drives me to rage quit is the constant battle encounters. Like, you take 2 steps and you trigger a battle, then you take 2 more steps and trigger yet another battle. Rinse. Repeat.

Does my ****ing head in.

Yeah, alot of the Final Fantasies are like that. It can be annoying, but I consider it a good thing. Unlike alot of newer games where you can play from start to finish with minimum grinding, you have to level up alot in the older things in order to better fight certain bosses or enemies.

Dragon's Dogma was that way, too. 'Specially with Bitterblack Isle. I can only take so much of the grinding before I have to stop and play something else, myself. Gets boring when you can't progress.

Modifié par Lord Xendria, 03 octobre 2013 - 01:27 .

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

Mahumia wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

Mahumia wrote...

berelinde wrote...

To me, it looks as if he's hyperventilating out of fear. Whether fear of the girl by the door of fear of being seen, I couldn't tell you.

My interpretation was actually this: He was feeling awkward of entering the brothel for the investigation, as he could already guess that the ladies would not really be cooperative (but might try to seduce him anyway) and gossips that would spread (naughty templar!). As he was quite nervous, he wanted to attempt to get calm again, and tried to get his breathing under controll (breath in.... breath out), but, saying that in-and-out-thing to himself, he noticed the pun and went totally Sebastians--like 'I need to pray... a lot.'

Yeah, this is how I take it as well (maybe throw in him noticing some physical reaction to the in-out thing, but that's just my mind being what it is).

Panters don't usually need to remind themselves to pant, do they..?

The 'physical reaction' is what triggers the  'I need to pray' in my mind

Hahaha, yup!

Sooo... I will now admit the ephiphany I finally had this morning with this particular comic -- and thank you guys for finally getting me to see it in a different light. I finally realize that the reason no one else is skeeved out is because I'm the only one misinterpreting it!

No matter how many times it's been posted here and discussed in the thread, up until now I thought the last panel was him, erm, on his way out of the Blooming Rose. Meaning... the first panels weren't him preparing to go in, but were of him... already, um, IN(!), if you know what I mean. And at the end, he's regretting that he used that particular means of getting the information he needed at the Blooming Rose... 

SO perhaps now it makes more sense why I thought it was rather out of character for him. And now I understand  how it can be considered cute instead of skeevie. Isn't it strange how your brain can see different things...

OH! LOL, now I can totally see why you thought it was dodgy! 

[LolaLei]

Lord Xendria wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I've been playing Final Fantasy 9, but the only thing that drives me to rage quit is the constant battle encounters. Like, you take 2 steps and you trigger a battle, then you take 2 more steps and trigger yet another battle. Rinse. Repeat.

Does my ****ing head in.

Yeah, alot of the Final Fantasies are like that. It can be annoying, but I consider it a good thing. Unlike alot of newer games where you can play from start to finish with minimum grinding, you have to level up alot in the older things in order to better fight certain bosses or enemies.

Dragon's Dogma was that way, too. 'Specially with Bitterblack Isle. I can only take so much of the grinding before I have to stop and play something else, myself. Gets boring when you can't progress.

It's the whole turn based thing, it bores me to death. I wouldn't mind but since battles activate every couple of steps it gets tedious very quickly.

[Kidd]

Commander Kurt wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Pippi Longstocking is too badass to be a Mary Sue ^^

Sure is!

(Although, now I keep picturing her as a self-insert with Astrid Lindgren in striped stockings and braids.. )

A version of that would've been so much more badass to have on our money than the picture of her we'll be getting on our 20 kronor bills.

Commander Kurt wrote...

By the way, a tip for those who enjoy games with nice storytelling! I just finished "Brothers - A Tale of Two Sons", which is basically a single-player co-op game. You control two characters at once, solving puzzles along the way.

Ooohh, I'll check it out! =D

LolaLei wrote...

I've been playing Final Fantasy 9, but the only thing that drives me to rage quit is the constant battle encounters. Like, you take 2 steps and you trigger a battle, then you take 2 more steps and trigger yet another battle. Rinse. Repeat. 

Does my ****ing head in.

The battles are definitely the one thing holding FF9 back. It's a terrific game in pretty much all respects (it even has a reward for speeding your way through it in less than 15h or so, how cool is that for an optional feature?), but the encounter rate is pretty high and the battles are sloooow even on the maximum speed setting. The ATB bars fill slowly, the game hides the loading times for all its battle animations with these long arse casting animations, the animations are pretty lengthy etc...

And while it's a strategically sound option to equip all four characters with Auto-Potion, you want to strangle yourself every time an enemy hits your entire party with some semi-decent spell or worse. That's a good 30 seconds or so of staring blindly into the screen watching your party members drink potions right there.

Argh! >_< Played it through with my partner earlier this year so the memories of the slowness are still fresh in my mind, heh heh. The plot, characters and soundtrack are all absolutely top notch though.

Lord Xendria wrote...

Yeah, alot of the Final Fantasies are like that. It can be annoying, but I consider it a good thing. Unlike alot of newer games where you can play from start to finish with minimum grinding, you have to level up alot in the older things in order to better fight certain bosses or enemies.

You don't really need to grind in FF9 in my experience. Not unless you plan on taking on the optional boss. To me, that's a good thing, cause wow those battles are slow xD

Older FFs, especially FF3(nes) require more grinding but I don't mind since the fights are quick and to the point with no wasted time.

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 03 octobre 2013 - 02:39 .

[LolaLei]

Hm, this is intriguing:

http://social.biowar...ndex/17405252/2

Look at Gaider's post (it's the 18th one down).

[Adela]

Hmm well to me the warden and Hawke's stories are over so it doesn't really matter to me what happens to them

[LolaLei]

Oooo, he then goes on to say:

"I doubt it's going to be a matter of "importing" any more than you import your world state. Rather, it would be "re-creating"... and even if there is an import of some kind, most likely you'd be free to further tweak (as I can't imagine a circumstance where we could guarantee 100% visual accuracy with an import, considering the new engine).

That's still being investigated, however, so there's nothing I can confirm regarding how either of those things would be done."

That makes me wonder if part of the CC will be available in the Dragon Age Keep in order to recreate Hawke and/or your Warden. If it is I'd probably spend hours fiddling around with it just seeing what type of characters I could create, lol.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Hm, this is intriguing:

http://social.biowar...ndex/17405252/2

Look at Gaider's post (it's the 18th one down).

Bwahahaha!! "now would definitely be the time to panic."

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Oooo, he then goes on to say:

"I doubt it's going to be a matter of "importing" any more than you import your world state. Rather, it would be "re-creating"... and even if there is an import of some kind, most likely you'd be free to further tweak (as I can't imagine a circumstance where we could guarantee 100% visual accuracy with an import, considering the new engine).

That's still being investigated, however, so there's nothing I can confirm regarding how either of those things would be done."

That makes me wonder if part of the CC will be available in the Dragon Age Keep in order to recreate Hawke and/or your Warden. If it is I'd probably spend hours fiddling around with it just seeing what type of characters I could create, lol.

Awesome! This is just what I was hoping they would do for the Warden and Hawke's appearances.

You know what this could also mean... if they release DA Keep before the game comes out, and it includes a character creator in it... then maybe we can also have our Inquisitor appearance all ready to go!!  *pleasepleaseplease*

[LolaLei]

I think it's definitely possible to implement Hawke and/or the Warden into DAI. I would presume that Hawke would be easier to implement since he/she was fully voiced and had three dominant tones, so in terms of mannerisms all you'd need to do is have Hawke talk in the tone that was most dominant for your character. As for the Warden, I guess they could get back all the VO's that done the battle cries for her/him and just have the character talk about neutral things that don't require any specific tone. 

I suppose the biggest problem would be whatever it is Hawke and the Warden are doing when we meet up with them. That being said, with the veil ripping it would make sense for them to take whatever steps needed to help put a stop to it. Plus, whatever it is they're doing, it'll likely only be a cameo anyway so it probably won't "ruin" our canon too much anyway.

The one thing I would prefer (if I had the power to choose) is that if the past protagonists do show up in DAI, then they'd be with their respective LIs, or if for some reason they can't be due Hawke and the Warden disappearing, then I'd quite like to see the pair of them turn up together since presumably they've both disappeared/were captured together. My two are cousins, so it would be kinda sweet to hear them refer to each other as such.

Modifié par LolaLei, 03 octobre 2013 - 03:40 .

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Oooo, he then goes on to say:

"I doubt it's going to be a matter of "importing" any more than you import your world state. Rather, it would be "re-creating"... and even if there is an import of some kind, most likely you'd be free to further tweak (as I can't imagine a circumstance where we could guarantee 100% visual accuracy with an import, considering the new engine).

That's still being investigated, however, so there's nothing I can confirm regarding how either of those things would be done."

That makes me wonder if part of the CC will be available in the Dragon Age Keep in order to recreate Hawke and/or your Warden. If it is I'd probably spend hours fiddling around with it just seeing what type of characters I could create, lol.

Awesome! This is just what I was hoping they would do for the Warden and Hawke's appearances.

You know what this could also mean... if they release DA Keep before the game comes out, and it includes a character creator in it... then maybe we can also have our Inquisitor appearance all ready to go!!  *pleasepleaseplease*

Omg, if that's the case then I sincerely hope that one of us in here gets put through for the beta so that we can discuss it in detail in here.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Hm, this is intriguing:

http://social.biowar...ndex/17405252/2

Look at Gaider's post (it's the 18th one down).

Bwahahaha!! "now would definitely be the time to panic."

It sounds to me like one or both of them will be in the game, even though he didn't confirm it he kinda gave it away by saying that it's something they're looking into.

[Chanda]

Regarding the Warden and Hawke, I don't really care if they appear or not in Inquisition. It would be nice to hear what they've done since they've disappeared, and I hope that Alistair is still with my Female Noble Queen (I assume so, since he called her the ball and chain in DA2) and that Fenris is still with my Hawke. But I guess we'll see.

Modifié par Chanda, 03 octobre 2013 - 03:38 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Hm, this is intriguing:

http://social.biowar...ndex/17405252/2

Look at Gaider's post (it's the 18th one down).

Bwahahaha!! "now would definitely be the time to panic."

It sounds to me like one or both of them will be in the game, even though he didn't confirm it he kinda gave it away by saying that it's something they're looking into.

Agree! This is how I read it as well. That they'll both show up for (SOME REASON). I don't mind them showing up and doing things I didn't decide... since I think it would feel kinda like the epilogue slides, which we also didn't have much choice in. :shrug: I guess, for Bioware's sake, I hope they make the cameos short, since the more involved the characters' storylines are, the more there is for folks to b!tch about. I don't need them to show up and monologue about their life since the last game. Just a hint is fine.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 03 octobre 2013 - 03:50 .

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Hm, this is intriguing:

http://social.biowar...ndex/17405252/2

Look at Gaider's post (it's the 18th one down).

Bwahahaha!! "now would definitely be the time to panic."

It sounds to me like one or both of them will be in the game, even though he didn't confirm it he kinda gave it away by saying that it's something they're looking into.

Agree! This is how I read it as well. That they'll both show up for (SOME REASON). I don't mind them showing up and doing things I didn't decide... since I think it would feel kinda like the epilogue slides, which we also didn't have much choice in. :shrug: I guess, for Bioware's sake, I hope they make the cameos short, since the more involved the character's storyline is, the more there is for folks to b!tch about. I don't need them to show up and monologue about their life since the last game. Just a hint is fine.

So long as it's not one of those "pick which one lives" situations then I'm good. I don't think I'd even care too much if they'd split up with their respective partners since I'm kinda over Hawke and the Warden already lol. Plus, I guess I've just come to expect something sh!tty to happen to my protagonists since the whole Shepard thing.

[berelinde]

LolaLei wrote...

The one thing I would prefer (if I had the power to choose) is that if the past protagonists do show up in DAI, then they'd be with their respective LIs, or if for some reason they can't be due Hawke and the Warden disappearing, then I'd quite like to see the pair of them turn up together since presumably they've both disappeared/were captured together. My two are cousins, so it would be kinda sweet to hear them refer to each other as such.

Hmm, this may be the first time Morrigan- and Leliana-mancers are exposed to disappointment. Ever. The rest of us may not have had the pleasure of seeing our characters' LIs appear repeatedly in every conceivable media, but there's more of a chance that the lovers are still together. Except in Alistair's case, where he dumps the non-HN PC if he's made king, there's no separation. In both Morrigan and Leliana's case, there is.

[LolaLei]

berelinde wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

The one thing I would prefer (if I had the power to choose) is that if the past protagonists do show up in DAI, then they'd be with their respective LIs, or if for some reason they can't be due Hawke and the Warden disappearing, then I'd quite like to see the pair of them turn up together since presumably they've both disappeared/were captured together. My two are cousins, so it would be kinda sweet to hear them refer to each other as such.

Hmm, this may be the first time Morrigan- and Leliana-mancers are exposed to disappointment. Ever. The rest of us may not have had the pleasure of seeing our characters' LIs appear repeatedly in every conceivable media, but there's more of a chance that the lovers are still together. Except in Alistair's case, where he dumps the non-HN PC if he's made king, there's no separation. In both Morrigan and Leliana's case, there is.

Well, with the Witch Hunt DLC they can reunite and the Warden has the option to go through the mirror with her. I'd say Leliana-mancers could be screwed... that being said, she was never specific that she actually split up with th Warden, so it could be that A) she's keeping her cards close to her chest and doesn't tell people that she's in a relationship with the Warden (for whatever reason) or she thinks that the Warden could be dead due to his/her disappearance thus the "he/she was very dear to me" thing... or C) the game was rushed, lol.