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[Mahumia]

That is a good idea indeed Dreamlover. I have the idea that the chantry doesn't care at all what peasants are up to when it comes to couples. It just gets more complicated when an heir is expected, but that is only for ruling figures.
I recall the city elf origin: the chantry happily blesses the marriages, whilst others (*cough* Vaughan *cough*) do not see that as an 'actual' marriage. Maybe stretching that too far, but it gave me the impression that the chantry can be quite liberated (perhaps it depends on who is the revered mother though?).

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Modifié par Mahumia, 15 octobre 2013 - 06:56 .

[HurricaneGinger]

Who shall we ask? I am quite curious about this - there isn't much info. I almost tweeted Mr. Gaider about it.

[LolaLei]

The only reason my Inquisitor would get married is if it's a requirement in order to bed Cullen, LMFAO!

[Mahumia]

LolaLei wrote...

The only reason my Inquisitor would get married is if it's a requirement in order to bed Cullen, LMFAO!

 Well, to quote my Hawke: "Tell me he's got killer eyes and a nice smile, I'll marry him on the spot"

[Mahumia]

@Phantom. I have no idea who would have the most knowledge about that kind of lore, but I guess that Gaider would be a good one.

[LolaLei]

Going back to the whole "toned down sex scenes" etc. I've always thought that the build up to the sex itself is the thing that would make the most impact "atmosphere" and "romance" wise. I mean, no one really wants to watch a bunch of pixels rubbing on each other, LOL!

What (I think) the majority of us want to see is the scene that leads up to the sex itself. I guess a good example would be Kaidan and Liara's romance scenes in ME3 because you get to watch the LI come into the room, they exchange a few words as they go about doing whatever (pouring a drink, getting cosy with each other etc), then they kiss, they start to strip off, get on the bed and the scene pans away/fades out.

Where DA:O went wrong was that although we didn't see any ****** or arse, we actually SAW them shagging and that was kinda creepy and awkward. But in DA2 they went too much the other way and rushed through the whole scene, then faded to black before much of anything happened, lol. Hopefully DAI will have got it just right this time.

[LolaLei]

Part 3 of The Wolf Among Us is now up on my channel:

[berelinde]

LolaLei wrote...

Going back to the whole "toned down sex scenes" etc. I've always thought that the build up to the sex itself is the thing that would make the most impact "atmosphere" and "romance" wise. I mean, no one really wants to watch a bunch of pixels rubbing on each other, LOL!

What (I think) the majority of us want to see is the scene that leads up to the sex itself. I guess a good example would be Kaidan and Liara's romance scenes in ME3 because you get to watch the LI come into the room, they exchange a few words as they go about doing whatever (pouring a drink, getting cosy with each other etc), then they kiss, they start to strip off, get on the bed and the scene pans away/fades out.

Where DA:O went wrong was that although we didn't see any ****** or arse, we actually SAW them shagging and that was kinda creepy and awkward. But in DA2 they went too much the other way and rushed through the whole scene, then faded to black before much of anything happened, lol. Hopefully DAI will have got it just right this time.

I can't speak for the ME3 scenes because I never played them, but I liked the DA2 sex scenes better than the DAO ones. The DAO ones were OK, but they went straight from "Wanna knock boots?" to frottage with none of the foreplay. That, and ugly undies for the ladies (I didn't mind the male model too much). The DA2 sex scenes went from "Let's dance" to foreplay and then closed the bedroom door. Given that Varric was narrating to Cassandra at the time (and possibly making the whole thing up, as he threatened to do when Anders wasn't forthcoming with the details), I'm perfectly fine with not seeing them get naked. From a technical standpoint, there's no real way to animate someone stripping without having the camera pan somewhere else while clothing, armor, and footwear fly across the field of vision, and then homing in on the naked pixels a few seconds later. That's a lot of cinematics for something that would be more comical than sensual. But if they are going to show the sex, they should show it sans undies. I don't have to see it, but if that's what they want to show, I'd rather see nudity than granny pants.

[Mahumia]

LolaLei wrote...

Going back to the whole "toned down sex scenes" etc. I've always thought that the build up to the sex itself is the thing that would make the most impact "atmosphere" and "romance" wise. I mean, no one really wants to watch a bunch of pixels rubbing on each other, LOL!

What (I think) the majority of us want to see is the scene that leads up to the sex itself. I guess a good example would be Kaidan and Liara's romance scenes in ME3 because you get to watch the LI come into the room, they exchange a few words as they go about doing whatever (pouring a drink, getting cosy with each other etc), then they kiss, they start to strip off, get on the bed and the scene pans away/fades out.

Where DA:O went wrong was that although we didn't see any ****** or arse, we actually SAW them shagging and that was kinda creepy and awkward. But in DA2 they went too much the other way and rushed through the whole scene, then faded to black before much of anything happened, lol. Hopefully DAI will have got it just right this time.

That is exactly what I want. I do not need to see 'the act' (indeed, that was what made DA:I pretty awkward), but a build up, caressing, hugging, kissing, breathing atmosphere... that would be great! Some 'after fade to black' would be cute too (cuddling, sleeping in eachothers arms, whatever).

[Adela]

I never played ME either but from what Lola described sounds pretty good and I would like to see that in DAI .
Personally I think that DA2 went a lil too fast to me it didn't seem to have that much foreplay except for one kiss and then fade to black, DAO I agree there wasn't any foreplay involved at all it was pretty much "hey you look pretty now can you join me in my tent?" as for the underwear part, didn't really bother me that much, but anyway im sure that in DAI will see some improvements on that matter since they have worked on the game for a while, so far everything looks good to me

[Adela]

LolaLei wrote...

Part 3 of The Wolf Among Us is now up on my channel:

Hmm interesting, when i went to Lawrence  I checked everything else and left him for last,  and the gun I didnt know you could use the gun for that bullet hole

[CuriousArtemis]

I think of them all I preferred DA2. All of the talking that led up to the love scene (which occurred off camera) is what I liked, and honestly I would like to see MORE of that!! DA2 scenes made my heart flutter; ME3 made my face burn lol Yeah, the talking was nice, but the rolling around in bed was a bit weird. I felt like a voyeur.

EDIT: I'm saying DA2 was the best of the three for me but not that there couldn't be improvements!! 

Modifié par motomotogirl, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:42 .

[Potato Cat]

Here's where I got the gay marriage thing. http://www.gamebansh...m-activity.html

In particular relation to gay marriage, from Lord Gaider himself.
"No. Not to get political on the subject, but regardless of my support for the idea of gay marriage in our society I think it would feel pretty anachronistic to include such a concept in our setting. I doubt it's something that would even occur to people in Thedas, regardless of their orientation."

Bear in mind this is a VERY old interview. I don't think dwarves actually have polygamy, just rather public concubines in order to get more heirs.


Anyway, for the naughty bits, I don't get why Fenris and Isabela should get the cool scenes, (well Isabela I sort of get, she IS Isabela after all). Anders and Merrill are pretty boring in comparison, you have to admit. I'm hopeful anyway, they have a whole envelope full of scripted sex scenes, it's going to be pretty great.

Modifié par Elfman, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:58 .

[Phate Phoenix]

Elfman wrote...

Here's where I got the gay marriage thing. http://www.gamebansh...m-activity.html

In particular relation to gay marriage, from Lord Gaider himself.
"No. Not to get political on the subject, but regardless of my support for the idea of gay marriage in our society I think it would feel pretty anachronistic to include such a concept in our setting. I doubt it's something that would even occur to people in Thedas, regardless of their orientation."

Bear in mind this is a VERY old interview. I don't think dwarves actually have polygamy, just rather public concubines in order to get more heirs.


Anyway, for the naughty bits, I don't get why Fenris and Isabela should get the cool scenes, (well Isabela I sort of guess, she IS Isabela after all). Anders and Merrill are pretty boring in comparison, you have to admit. I'm hopeful anyway, they have a whole envelope full of scripted sex scenes, it's going to be pretty great.

Aaaaah, I see! So it's mostly because marriage is still a highly political function for the purpose of mingling bloodlines that marriage for same-sex couples isn't even considered. That makes sense.

Honestly, I really liked Anders's romance scene because it wasn't overly sexual. It was very much about how my character felt, and how he felt, and then there was just the hint of something else happening. (I don't mind the fade-to-blacks. It was much better than talking to post-coital Fenris in my bra and panties what.) So while I'm glad they're revamping the sex/romantic climax scenes, I hope we don't lose out on that emotional moment. I doubt we will, but, just my thoughts.

[CuriousArtemis]

If this is a culture that sees marriage only as a mingling of bloodlines then that would be a very interesting and new concept! I would expect that sex and love outside marriage would be extremely common, and that actual marriage itself would be rare.

So if that's the case, I think marriage in Inquisition would make absolutely no sense, unless the LI is a royal, and marrying him/her is a political move. (Or you could even have a LI and marry another character for political reasons.)

HOWEVER... there is the Alistair situation. Can someone who's been "dumped" by him as a non-Cousland give his explanation for doing so?

I know a Cousland can become king by marrying Anora but keep a LI like Zevran on the side. That would seem to support DG's above statement regarding love and marriage.

(But part of me fears that by "anachronistic" he simply means "Thedas is like medieval Europe and there was no gay marriage then/there so there can be no gay marriage in Thedas." Which would be really short-sighted and weird. The whole point of fantasy is making up your own culture and societal norms.)

[Mahumia]

I actually liked the Anders scene the most (done both Anders and Fenris), as it was more romantic (instead of lusty) and at least did fade to black when they had reached the bed. And also important, no crazy waking up the morning after and suddenly wearing a bra again.

[Mahumia]

motomotogirl wrote...

If this is a culture that sees marriage only as a mingling of bloodlines then that would be a very interesting and new concept! I would expect that sex and love outside marriage would be extremely common, and that actual marriage itself would be rare.

So if that's the case, I think marriage in Inquisition would make absolutely no sense, unless the LI is a royal, and marrying him/her is a political move. (Or you could even have a LI and marry another character for political reasons.)

HOWEVER... there is the Alistair situation. Can someone who's been "dumped" by him as a non-Cousland give his explanation for doing so?

I know a Cousland can become king by marrying Anora but keep a LI like Zevran on the side. That would seem to support DG's above statement regarding love and marriage.

(But part of me fears that by "anachronistic" he simply means "Thedas is like medieval Europe and there was no gay marriage then/there so there can be no gay marriage in Thedas." Which would be really short-sighted and weird. The whole point of fantasy is making up your own culture and societal norms.)

I would actually like that view of 'marriage is only for politics'. Regarding Alistair: he cannot marry a non-Cousland because of politics (non-noble bloodline is no-no). I guess he does not want his LI to become nothing more than a mistress, a 'second', and that is why he breaks up.

[Phate Phoenix]

If I recall correctly, a non-hardened Alistair who is made King dumps the Warden because she would be a distraction.

I really like the idea of a culture where the response to same-sex marriage isn't "NO" but "Why would you want to?" XD

[Potato Cat]

Phate Phoenix wrote...

If I recall correctly, a non-hardened Alistair who is made King dumps the Warden because she would be a distraction.

I really like the idea of a culture where the response to same-sex marriage isn't "NO" but "Why would you want to?" XD

You make him sound absolutely horrible! Lol
It's more of a I'm already in a weak position politically, the nobles are hardly going to accept my marriage to someone of low birth, (Anora is actually bad enough, there's rumour her infertility is the Maker's punishment for putting a commoner on the throne). There's nothing to gain from this partnership, there isn't really a point. That's the reasoning behind not allowing a human mage to marry him, (dwarf and elf Wardens are pretty self explanatory).

[CuriousArtemis]

Elfman wrote...

There's nothing to gain from this partnership, there isn't really a point. That's the reasoning behind not allowing a human mage to marry him, (dwarf and elf Wardens are pretty self explanatory).

Oh, wow, I thought he actually dumped the Warden, not just refused to marry her. Marrying her would make no sense, especially if Thedas views marriage as merely the continuation of bloodlines and nothing to do with love.

[CuriousArtemis]

Phate Phoenix wrote...

I really like the idea of a culture where the response to same-sex marriage isn't "NO" but "Why would you want to?" XD

I like it, too, so long as other loving relationships are treated the same way. Like a man and a woman who are in love shouldn't even think of marriage in this same culture, unless one were of noble birth or something.

[Adela]

motomotogirl wrote...

Phate Phoenix wrote...

I really like the idea of a culture where the response to same-sex marriage isn't "NO" but "Why would you want to?" XD

I like it, too, so long as other loving relationships are treated the same way. Like a man and a woman who are in love shouldn't even think of marriage in this same culture, unless one were of noble birth or something.

Wait are you sayin only noble ppl are allowed to marry?

[Potato Cat]

motomotogirl wrote...

Elfman wrote...

There's nothing to gain from this partnership, there isn't really a point. That's the reasoning behind not allowing a human mage to marry him, (dwarf and elf Wardens are pretty self explanatory).

Oh, wow, I thought he actually dumped the Warden, not just refused to marry her. Marrying her would make no sense, especially if Thedas views marriage as merely the continuation of bloodlines and nothing to do with love.

He does dump her too, if he is unhardened. But the Warden can still suggest the marriage in the Landsmeet, but it can only be successful with a coercion check and being a human noble. It's after the Landsmeet he feels like he has to break up with her because he doesn't want her to be just a mistress.

Love and marriage would be more common in lowborn humans, as it has always been. But marriage is still pretty circumstantial. And a good Andrastrian would almost always wait until marriage before they lost their virginity. Just assuming the basic Catholic morals would probably be our best bet.

[Adela]

Well Maric wanted to marry Kathriel in the stolen throne book and she was an elf but he didnt marry her because he found out she was a traitor and he killed her

[thats1evildude]

I think marriage in Thedas is largely looked on as a business arrangement, which was actually the norm for humans until the last century or so. You get married for the sake of political unions or to merge two trading houses together, or just to have someone to pass on the family farm to. (Bastards likely can't legally inherit property.)
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motomotogirl wrote...

Elfman wrote...

There's nothing to gain from this partnership, there isn't really a point. That's the reasoning behind not allowing a human mage to marry him, (dwarf and elf Wardens are pretty self explanatory).

Oh, wow, I thought he actually dumped the Warden, not just refused to marry her. Marrying her would make no sense, especially if Thedas views marriage as merely the continuation of bloodlines and nothing to do with love.

No, he dumps her. The reason being is that two Wardens can't have a child together, which will inevitably leave Ferelden with an empty throne and, in all likelihood, civil war.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 15 octobre 2013 - 05:52 .