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Yep. I sent you a few messages.

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Xilizhra wrote...

To be fair, Cullen had been tortured. It's to be expected that he's gonna be a bit "RAWR!" However, given what he went through he was far more moderate than what he should've been (especially given his original retconned epilogues). I was fully expecting to have to kill him in DA2 when I first played it, so I was quite surprised to see him start questioning things at all.

I'm not discounting the torture thing. As I said, I don't hate him personally. I'm just saying that he hasn't shown any sign yet of not being an enemy. He may well become such, however.

I think his enemy status depends a little on who the antagonists are in this scenario, tho. Going back to the point on how "extreme" his views might still be, I'd wager that even at the end of DA2, he still  believes in the Circle system. Just not how Meredith implemented the Circle's policies, which he viewed as "not what the Order stands for." So, if supporting the concept of a Circle at all is considered, for example, 'anti-mage,' then that could still make him an antagonist to some (i.e. I'm sure you'd still not side with him, Xil! :)  ).

But, like Lola said, there's a lot of gray area for him to stand in when "the Order" suddenly breaks away from the Chantry and starts hunting mages post-Asunder. Does he still cleave his idyllic view of what the Order stands for, despite the changes?  Or does he have another crisis of faith and now have to oppose the Order itself? So, yeah, I could see lots of possibilities for him, independent of any kind of reckoning for overthrowing Meredith. Like, we find him in seclusion, going through therapy over the co-optation of the basic purpose of the Templar Order by Lambert et al.  :D

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Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

Yep. I sent you a few messages.


That's odd, I've not recieved any of them. =]

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R2s Muse wrote...
 I think his enemy status depends a little on who the antagonists are in this scenario, tho. Going back to the point on how "extreme" his views might still be, I'd wager that even at the end of DA2, he still  believes in the Circle system. Just not how Meredith implemented the Circle's policies, which he viewed as "not what the Order stands for." So, if supporting the concept of a Circle at all is considered, for example, 'anti-mage,' then that could still make him an antagonist to some (i.e. I'm sure you'd still not side with him, Xil! :)  ). 

But, like Lola said, there's a lot of gray area for him to stand in when "the Order" suddenly breaks away from the Chantry and starts hunting mages post-Asunder. Does he still cleave his idyllic view of what the Order stands for, despite the changes?  Or does he have another crisis of faith and now have to oppose the Order itself? So, yeah, I could see lots of possibilities for him, independent of any kind of reckoning for overthrowing Meredith. Like, in seclusion, going through therapy over the co-optation of the basic purpose of the Templar Order by Lambert et al.  :D


I hope he's still pro-Order at the start, but able to be swung to an extreme if we want. I've missed the changing the views of our companions thing we had with Alistair and Leliana. 

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LolaLei wrote...

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

Yep. I sent you a few messages.


That's odd, I've not recieved any of them. =]


I sent again on Twitter PM .

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R2s Muse wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

To be fair, Cullen had been tortured. It's to be expected that he's gonna be a bit "RAWR!" However, given what he went through he was far more moderate than what he should've been (especially given his original retconned epilogues). I was fully expecting to have to kill him in DA2 when I first played it, so I was quite surprised to see him start questioning things at all.

I'm not discounting the torture thing. As I said, I don't hate him personally. I'm just saying that he hasn't shown any sign yet of not being an enemy. He may well become such, however.

I think his enemy status depends a little on who the antagonists are in this scenario, tho. Going back to the point on how "extreme" his views might still be, I'd wager that even at the end of DA2, he still  believes in the Circle system. Just not how Meredith implemented the Circle's policies, which he viewed as "not what the Order stands for." So, if supporting the concept of a Circle at all is considered, for example, 'anti-mage,' then that could still make him an antagonist to some (i.e. I'm sure you'd still not side with him, Xil! :)  ).

But, like Lola said, there's a lot of gray area for him to stand in when "the Order" suddenly breaks away from the Chantry and starts hunting mages post-Asunder. Does he still cleave his idyllic view of what the Order stands for, despite the changes?  Or does he have another crisis of faith and now have to oppose the Order itself? So, yeah, I could see lots of possibilities for him, independent of any kind of reckoning for overthrowing Meredith. Like, we find him in seclusion, going through therapy over the co-optation of the basic purpose of the Templar Order by Lambert et al.  :D

I will say that another crisis of faith is probably most likely. I'll also say that it seems probable that the Red Templars make up all renegade templars at this point in time, due to them needing lyrium not controlled by the Chantry.

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Xilizhra wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

To be fair, Cullen had been tortured. It's to be expected that he's gonna be a bit "RAWR!" However, given what he went through he was far more moderate than what he should've been (especially given his original retconned epilogues). I was fully expecting to have to kill him in DA2 when I first played it, so I was quite surprised to see him start questioning things at all.

I'm not discounting the torture thing. As I said, I don't hate him personally. I'm just saying that he hasn't shown any sign yet of not being an enemy. He may well become such, however.

I think his enemy status depends a little on who the antagonists are in this scenario, tho. Going back to the point on how "extreme" his views might still be, I'd wager that even at the end of DA2, he still  believes in the Circle system. Just not how Meredith implemented the Circle's policies, which he viewed as "not what the Order stands for." So, if supporting the concept of a Circle at all is considered, for example, 'anti-mage,' then that could still make him an antagonist to some (i.e. I'm sure you'd still not side with him, Xil! :)  ).

But, like Lola said, there's a lot of gray area for him to stand in when "the Order" suddenly breaks away from the Chantry and starts hunting mages post-Asunder. Does he still cleave his idyllic view of what the Order stands for, despite the changes?  Or does he have another crisis of faith and now have to oppose the Order itself? So, yeah, I could see lots of possibilities for him, independent of any kind of reckoning for overthrowing Meredith. Like, we find him in seclusion, going through therapy over the co-optation of the basic purpose of the Templar Order by Lambert et al.  :D

I will say that another crisis of faith is probably most likely. I'll also say that it seems probable that the Red Templars make up all renegade templars at this point in time, due to them needing lyrium not controlled by the Chantry.

I'm torn on this point. Why call them "Red Templars" if Red Templars == Original Recipe Templars?  My current thought is that the Red Templars are just a faction of the overall Order that turned to red lyrium to power their abilities. There are several pieces of concept art that feature templars that don't overtly seem like Red Templars (no suspicious red lyrium shard hanging around their necks, no glowing swords of mercy on their chests, etc), which could mean they're run of the mill templars (altho, of course, it could also just be that the art is no longer accurate).

But even if there is still an Order independent of the eeeeevil Red Templars, I still think Cullen could have a crisis of faith. I just personally can't see someone who spent an entire game decade working himself up to finally think for himself and stand up to his superior regarding the purpose of the Order to then just go along with the flock when the Order *itself* no longer follows its own tenets. Or, if he does, then I hope that's a plot point for him. That he starts to question his own judgment when he starts to have doubts about the Order itself, sort of a "why does this keep happening to me?" kind of thing, or something like that.

I still adore the notion of him turning double agent for the Divine/Cassandra/Leliana, who prey upon his uncertainties and so keep tabs on the newly rebelled Order through him. :D

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Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

Well I mean like being able to speak to the character when you want like DA origins? And thank you for your answer

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Oh! Then, yes. You'll be able to do that.


I thought it was confirmed you could only talk to them in certain places, like Inquisition strongholds?



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@Mike_Laidlaw Mike, I thought the Inquisitor can talk to companions only in certain places not everywhere. Please tell me. #DAI Conversations with companions everywhere or in a certain area?

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@IlidanDA Not everywhere.

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Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

Elfman wrote...

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

Well I mean like being able to speak to the character when you want like DA origins? And thank you for your answer

Mike Laidlaw ‏

Oh! Then, yes. You'll be able to do that.


I thought it was confirmed you could only talk to them in certain places, like Inquisition strongholds?



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@Mike_Laidlaw Mike, I thought the Inquisitor can talk to companions only in certain places not everywhere. Please tell me. #DAI Conversations with companions everywhere or in a certain area?

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

@IlidanDA Not everywhere.

OK, that gibes better with what I thought I'd heard before. Thanks for clarifying, Wiedz! 

Oh, and BTW, loved your Inquisitor helmet drawing. Very nice!

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So, just finished watching the new demo video, and I have a different interpretation of those "the Magic"-like cards we see. In the demo, they're talking at that point about how to capture a keep, and once doing so, we can turn it into a keep focused on: espionage, commerce or military might. It looks to me like we are choosing which focus in this screenshot, with the glowing downward arrow currently pointed at the military might option ("FORCES It will be a mighty bastion", somehow represented by blondy mustache guy). [drag to new tab to see high res version]
http://i1284.photobu...se.png~original

My guess is that you could move the toggle left or right and highlight purple gown lady or the red-head lady and instead choose commerce or espionage. MDarrah then shows you the three types of keeps:

ESPIONAGE (note the owls!)
http://i1284.photobu...ge.png~original

COMMERCE (dunno what its symbol is yet... maybe golden keys?)
http://i1284.photobu...ce.png~original

MILITARY (note the fist holding the *cough*Chantry*cough* pointy half-circle)
http://i1284.photobu...ry.png~original

MDarrah says for the demo, we choose military. He then shows you this screen, which presumably shows that you chose blondy mustache guy, aka "FORCES" option, for your keep. Note that the griffon keep now has the fist and half circle logo on it once you've chosen. The fist logo is also all over the keep once you go in and run around.

http://i1284.photobu...ry.png~original

Now... still dunno what the commerce symbol is, but it could be this toppled key symbol. Need to stare at the commerce keep pic a bit more.
http://i1284.photobu...ce.png~original

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I actually had the same impression R2, regarding 'chosing' what kind of keep it will be. I just wonder if there will be fixed amount of agents throughout the game ('here are 200 agents, use them as you will'), or you can get more or less based on your actions. For example: I guess that if you force alliances, you can get more agents.

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Xilizhra wrote...

They didn't directly relate, it was just another Cullenish observation I had. Even if it's been said before; if so, I apologize.

I wonder if it's more likely to find him interesting as a character if you're attracted to men? Is there much of a gay Cullen fanbase?




Well I know of at least one guy who is gay that likes the character Cullen (cough cough).  But in regards to the question about a gay fan base for him I absolutely couldn’t tell you.  I would guess that there are some out there that are fans that just don’t post on the thread but in my pool of friends not a lot of them have played Dragon Age so I couldn’t tell you from personal experience.  Again, that doesn’t mean they aren’t out there, my specific friends just don’t play tons of games.  However there isn’t a single “good looking” character I can personally think of that didn’t have some of their popularity based on fans sexual preferences.  For that reason I think it’s silly for people to dismiss any characters popularity just because they may have fan boys or girls.  
Now I already know you comprehend this but for those who might not and are reading my post I want it in writing that I like Cullen as a character and not because of my sexuality.  I find aspects of his dialog, personality, history, and character development interesting and because of my profession I find his growth as a character especially intriguing.  So what I am trying to say is I don’t want Cullen as a companion because of my inclination, I want him as a companion because of how fascinating I consider his character to be.  Even if Dragon age Inquisition was just an interactive novel game I would still want him to be a character even without his very sexy pixels lol. Posted Image
 

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Kirrahe1 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

They didn't directly relate, it was just another Cullenish observation I had. Even if it's been said before; if so, I apologize.

I wonder if it's more likely to find him interesting as a character if you're attracted to men? Is there much of a gay Cullen fanbase?




Well I know of at least one guy who is gay that likes the character Cullen (cough cough).  But in regards to the question about a gay fan base for him I absolutely couldn’t tell you.  I would guess that there are some out there that are fans that just don’t post on the thread but in my pool of friends not a lot of them have played Dragon Age so I couldn’t tell you from personal experience.  Again, that doesn’t mean they aren’t out there, my specific friends just don’t play tons of games.  However there isn’t a single “good looking” character I can personally think of that didn’t have some of their popularity based on fans sexual preferences.  For that reason I think it’s silly for people to dismiss any characters popularity just because they may have fan boys or girls.  
Now I already know you comprehend this but for those who might not and are reading my post I want it in writing that I like Cullen as a character and not because of my sexuality.  I find aspects of his dialog, personality, history, and character development interesting and because of my profession I find his growth as a character especially intriguing.  So what I am trying to say is I don’t want Cullen as a companion because of my inclination, I want him as a companion because of how fascinating I consider his character to be.  Even if Dragon age Inquisition was just an interactive novel game I would still want him to be a character even without his very sexy pixels lol. Posted Image
 

Nicely said! Posted Image I might be a hetero girl myself, but I think it seriously does not matter what sex you are or how you are orientated to do or not do like a character (I cannot not see how it would, to be honest...) Well ok, there are various ways of liking them... I admit that I am having quite a few pixel crushes, but that is more for a character than for the looks (although I don't mind sexy eye candy, obviously Posted Image)

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Mahumia wrote...

I actually had the same impression R2, regarding 'chosing' what kind of keep it will be. I just wonder if there will be fixed amount of agents throughout the game ('here are 200 agents, use them as you will'), or you can get more or less based on your actions. For example: I guess that if you force alliances, you can get more agents.


That's a good question on the "fixed agents", Mahumia. Optimally, there will be a pool of agents that you can add to once you forge alliances, as you said. Wonder if you can also lose agents via your decision making.

R2 - I can't make out the symbols on the commerce keep either. It looks like there is still the spikies like on the fist emblem but the center looks like a dinner bell to me..... which makes no sense unless it's like an opening bell to signal the beginning of the business day.... either that or it's a food court keep.
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Cullen taking red lyrium ... I'm sure Meredith didn't go running through the Gallows, telling everyone she bought this idol off a crazy dwarf, so the fact that she made a sword out of lyrium is kind of unknown except to Hawke and Co. But I also think that the Chantry would start an investigation to what happened to her and sooner or later they would discover that it is red lyrium. 

I don't think Cullen would use it unless he has no other choice (force fed or use it to save his own life.) Honestly I still don't know where he would go. I hope he doesn't go all "I wuv you mages" but I also don't want him to be "Rawr mages, kill it with fire!", so I guess middle road would be the best in my opinion. If he happens to become an enemy and not recruitable I really hope he will have a good reason. 

The whole Tranquility thing, I don't know. I do support the fact that Mages need to be somehow controlled. Their magic is just too powerful to ignore. Do I think they should be caged and treated like second class citizens? No. The circle system needs to work somehow, maybe have it governed by Mages that have proven that they are to be trusted, like Irving as example. Have families visit and Mages allowed to leave, but they would have to come back and report every couple weeks/months. Phylacteries, I think is a good idea, should be used for everyone no matter if Mage or not, so you could track killers easier, it does violate the privacy I guess.The Harrowing doesn't really count as a "pass it and go free" card, just look at Uldred, he was a senior mage and when the other Mages didn't agree to his plan, he turned on them. Tranquility should always be the last option, but who would pass that judgement? Again a court of Mages perhaps, but couldn't they be biased as well?

Maybe the answer lies with the Dalish?

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I agree with the bell for the commerce camp, golden bell in a circle that's what it looks like to me.

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meanieweenie wrote...

Mahumia wrote...

I actually had the same impression R2, regarding 'chosing' what kind of keep it will be. I just wonder if there will be fixed amount of agents throughout the game ('here are 200 agents, use them as you will'), or you can get more or less based on your actions. For example: I guess that if you force alliances, you can get more agents.


That's a good question on the "fixed agents", Mahumia. Optimally, there will be a pool of agents that you can add to once you forge alliances, as you said. Wonder if you can also lose agents via your decision making.

R2 - I can't make out the symbols on the commerce keep either. It looks like there is still the spikies like on the fist emblem but the center looks like a dinner bell to me..... which makes no sense unless it's like an opening bell to signal the beginning of the business day.... either that or it's a food court keep.
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Yeah, I was starting to wonder about the bell, too, since that's the only sort of symbol-like thing I see also. The only reason I'm skeptical is that the screen shows map markers all over the map which presumably mark points of interest that we have or haven't taken over as Inquisitor. There are a number of fists and owl markers. I don't see any bells, though. I actually don't see any keys either, except for this one toppled over one. It also has that winged woman marker that was on the maps in the Fires Above trailer in the background here, so that could maybe be the symbol (or a symbol for Celene and independent of the Inquisitor... <_<).


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On the agents, I'm thinking that we just have a certain number of faceless agents, like a number of gold pieces or other currency, that we can spend on different tasks. Like, it takes 15 agents to outfit a keep in one of your three styles. Note that the "Shattered Colossus" below costs us 50 agents, but doesn't have any of the card pictures next to it. So increasingly I'm thinking those card pictures are just the keep options and nothing to do with the agents.

http://i1284.photobu...rs.png~original

One of the examples they used said something about making a certain choice and using our assets wisely will give us more money or resources. (was it during the excavation pic?)  It made me think that our number of agents, like gold, would increase during the game depending on our actions. I can't imagine that we'd start out with all resources we'd need to "build" our organization.

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Chiantirose1982 wrote...

 
Cullen taking red lyrium ... I'm sure Meredith didn't go running through the Gallows, telling everyone she bought this idol off a crazy dwarf, so the fact that she made a sword out of lyrium is kind of unknown except to Hawke and Co. But I also think that the Chantry would start an investigation to what happened to her and sooner or later they would discover that it is red lyrium. 

I don't think Cullen would use it unless he has no other choice (force fed or use it to save his own life.) Honestly I still don't know where he would go. I hope he doesn't go all "I wuv you mages" but I also don't want him to be "Rawr mages, kill it with fire!", so I guess middle road would be the best in my opinion. If he happens to become an enemy and not recruitable I really hope he will have a good reason. 

The whole Tranquility thing, I don't know. I do support the fact that Mages need to be somehow controlled. Their magic is just too powerful to ignore. Do I think they should be caged and treated like second class citizens? No. The circle system needs to work somehow, maybe have it governed by Mages that have proven that they are to be trusted, like Irving as example. Have families visit and Mages allowed to leave, but they would have to come back and report every couple weeks/months. Phylacteries, I think is a good idea, should be used for everyone no matter if Mage or not, so you could track killers easier, it does violate the privacy I guess.The Harrowing doesn't really count as a "pass it and go free" card, just look at Uldred, he was a senior mage and when the other Mages didn't agree to his plan, he turned on them. Tranquility should always be the last option, but who would pass that judgement? Again a court of Mages perhaps, but couldn't they be biased as well?

Maybe the answer lies with the Dalish?

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I agree with the bell for the commerce camp, golden bell in a circle that's what it looks like to me.


... What they need is Hogwarts! :lol:

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LolaLei wrote...

Chiantirose1982 wrote...

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I agree with the bell for the commerce camp, golden bell in a circle that's what it looks like to me.


... What they need is Hogwarts! :lol:


Irving could totally pass as Dumbledor! I like it :wizard:

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Seeing those pictures makes me so anxious for assigning my agents "correctly" I'm super paranoid about not sending enough troops to a certain area, and it mucking up any possible future quests or events that would occur otherwise if I had done it correctly. I want the best possible ending I can get!!!

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Chiantirose1982 wrote...
(Snipped some musings on mages because I'm on my iPad)
Maybe the answer lies with the Dalish?


Well as a Qunari supporter, I think there needs to be a moderate middle ground between the Qunari system and the Circle system. I like how the Qunari use their mages practically, rather than just storing them up in the Circles, while at the same time having a 'civilised attitude' to magic and assigning Arvaards to their mages, (maybe three mages per Templar/Arvaard?). But it's obviously too harsh. For me, the Circles strike up a good system, educate them on how to use their magic properly, (still baffled that they would teach them anything other than basic elemental magic and creation spells). I think the Harrowing is vitally important. But I think what's more is the relationship between the mages and the non-mages. Segregation is not the way forward. The Dalish work because their culture values the talents and places mages as the protectors of their clans, but humans and qunari lack this culture. So there has to be a close relationship between the mage and their Templar/Arvaard, so they know they are no better than the mundanes and the mundanes know they need not fear them.

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littlenikki wrote...

Seeing those pictures makes me so anxious for assigning my agents "correctly" I'm super paranoid about not sending enough troops to a certain area, and it mucking up any possible future quests or events that would occur otherwise if I had done it correctly. I want the best possible ending I can get!!!

LOL I know, it makes me anxious, too. I'm rubbish at strategy games and you know there must be a thousand different types of endings depending on how you decide to deploy your assets. Looks like I'm headed for the strategy guide this time!  :?

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R2s Muse wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

Seeing those pictures makes me so anxious for assigning my agents "correctly" I'm super paranoid about not sending enough troops to a certain area, and it mucking up any possible future quests or events that would occur otherwise if I had done it correctly. I want the best possible ending I can get!!!

LOL I know, it makes me anxious, too. I'm rubbish at strategy games and you know there must be a thousand different types of endings depending on how you decide to deploy your assets. Looks like I'm headed for the strategy guide this time!  :?


But isn't that the beauty of replay? Missing stuff and then seeing the different outcomes when you replay it again. I love that! My first playthrough is always totally screwed up, it's awesome. :P

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Chiantirose1982 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

Seeing those pictures makes me so anxious for assigning my agents "correctly" I'm super paranoid about not sending enough troops to a certain area, and it mucking up any possible future quests or events that would occur otherwise if I had done it correctly. I want the best possible ending I can get!!!

LOL I know, it makes me anxious, too. I'm rubbish at strategy games and you know there must be a thousand different types of endings depending on how you decide to deploy your assets. Looks like I'm headed for the strategy guide this time!  :?


But isn't that the beauty of replay? Missing stuff and then seeing the different outcomes when you replay it again. I love that! My first playthrough is always totally screwed up, it's awesome. :P

Agree, there will be many playthroughs in my future, as a matter of course. But, my anal, completionist personality type rails against the need! LOL I don't do well with trial and error, or with non-linear stories; I need to have a plan in advance. I know -- it's an affliction! :bandit: :crying:

Plus, I think there are some things a second playthrough can never reproduce. Like... the Anders surprise at the end of DA2. It made me wish I'd romanced that first time so it was a bigger, more personal shock. Not that I wish it had been spoiled for me, I mean, hindsight is always 20-20; it's just that there's something special about the first playthrough. So everytime the devs emphasize the many different ways to play the game, which is certainly a plus for many people, I start to sweat a little. :blink:

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R2s Muse wrote...

Chiantirose1982 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

Seeing those pictures makes me so anxious for assigning my agents "correctly" I'm super paranoid about not sending enough troops to a certain area, and it mucking up any possible future quests or events that would occur otherwise if I had done it correctly. I want the best possible ending I can get!!!

LOL I know, it makes me anxious, too. I'm rubbish at strategy games and you know there must be a thousand different types of endings depending on how you decide to deploy your assets. Looks like I'm headed for the strategy guide this time!  :?


But isn't that the beauty of replay? Missing stuff and then seeing the different outcomes when you replay it again. I love that! My first playthrough is always totally screwed up, it's awesome. :P

Agree, there will be many playthroughs in my future, as a matter of course. But, my anal, completionist personality type rails against the need! LOL I don't do well with trial and error, or with non-linear stories; I need to have a plan in advance. I know -- it's an affliction! :bandit: :crying:

Plus, I think there are some things a second playthrough can never reproduce. Like... the Anders surprise at the end of DA2. It made me wish I'd romanced that first time so it was a bigger, more personal shock. Not that I wish it had been spoiled for me, I mean, hindsight is always 20-20; it's just that there's something special about the first playthrough. So everytime the devs emphasize the many different ways to play the game, which is certainly a plus for many people, I start to sweat a little. :blink:


Okay yeah, I get what you're saying. I did scream at the TV after Ander blows up the chantry, I was soooo mad at him. The same goes with Alistair after he dumped my ... I think I was a elven warrior. Omg. I was furious, I was smitten with that guy for days and compared him to my husband "See how adorable he is?" and than he dumps me ... hubby did a little victory dance after he made sure what Alistair did "Haha, did he just dump you? Did your adorable digital lover just dump you?" <_< Jerk

I guess you can't get those moments with your other playthroughs. I just really like to see how you can make stuff work, like in ME2 have all members survive the suicide run. In my first playthrough I lost Mordin, Miranda and Legion, the next playthrough I got them all to survive and felt like a boss, heh.

I guess it depends on what you miss out on, I think I would be more upset if I miss out on some conversation time with favorite npc than lets say an extra area or treasure etc.

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Okay yeah, I get what you're saying. I did scream at the TV after Ander blows up the chantry, I was soooo mad at him. The same goes with Alistair after he dumped my ... I think I was a elven warrior. Omg. I was furious, I was smitten with that guy for days and compared him to my husband "See how adorable he is?" and than he dumps me ... hubby did a little victory dance after he made sure what Alistair did "Haha, did he just dump you? Did your adorable digital lover just dump you?" <_< Jerk

Oh man... yeah, I feel you on Alistair. My first Warden was a city elf. (!!) That was when I started to read those romance spoilers a liiittttle more carefully.

I read through the DA2 romance stuff from the strat guide (someone posted it on BSN), and they were the only spoilers I indulged in. As a result, it was so funny how much I still misunderstood. In the section on Isabela, it kept referring to a Rivaini... ??  Wut? Who? LOL It talked about Fenris "leaving" and I thought that meant, like, leave your party forever ala DA:O.

So, if Cullen ends up being romanceable... you can bet your bottom dollar I'm reading every possible spoiler on that one. Maybe even writing out my own DA:I Cullen Romance Strategic Plan in advance. Complete with table of contents, flow chart, and references (not that this would really surprise many folks here... :lol::lol:).

I guess it depends on what you miss out on, I think I would be more upset if I miss out on some conversation time with favorite npc than lets say an extra area or treasure etc.

Agree! If different choices just mean that I have a different number in my bank account at the end, that's very different than having a whole quest line or game outcome cut off because of a certain choice. I do hope it adds to the replayability, tho. I just don't want to get stuck at an intersection, agonizing over a decision so much that I set aside the game for a few days. :o

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