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[littlenikki]

The issue I have is if that I learn that I missed something after the fact, then I cannot finish the playthrough I'm working on, and I have to go back and make a brand new character. Makes no sense, totally an inconvenience that makes me finishing a game twenty times longer, but my brain just has a meltdown and I just can't do it! I'm planning on getting the strategy guide too R2, hoping they make a cool version like they did for DA2

[Chiantirose1982]

 
You know this leak that said that there would be a magical blast at a peace conference, decimating the chantry leadership, I always thought the peace talk would be between mages and templars. Wouldn't you want to meet at a neutral place though? Just in case? The Chantry is hardly innocent in that whole debacle. So I was thinking who else could have peace talk in Orlais ... Empress Celene came to mind.

She wanted an alliance with Cailan, while other nobles wanted to take over Ferelden while it was weak. She is in kahoots with Salit in Mark of the Assassin, hoping to get the formula for their blackpowder or plans for their war ships. Also her interest in Sandal. Wasn't Anders inspired by his work to make his magical bomb? At least I took it as that when Bodahn tells you that Anders has been fascinated lately with Sandals work. Why would she need those explosive items/recipes unless she was preparing for something? Did she maybe change her mind about Ferelden? The war ships would have come in handy in taking Denerim. Or are they for her own little civil war she is having with Duke Gaspard? 

So now for a peace talk the Chantry seems like a neutral place. If the elven rebellion is actually happening, then you have two higher up in one place and can take them out with one big boom. Win! The only thing that bothers me in that speculation is that it only says Chantry leadership, but what would Mages gain from killing them? Nothing, other than being hunted even more ruthless, so what's the point?

..... and that's my contribution to "Speculation Wednesday!"

Modifié par Chiantirose1982, 06 novembre 2013 - 06:09 .

[Mahumia]

R2s Muse wrote...


So, if Cullen ends up being romanceable... you can bet your bottom dollar I'm reading every possible spoiler on that one. Maybe even writing out my own DA:I Cullen Romance Strategic Plan in advance. Complete with table of contents, flow chart, and references (not that this would really surprise many folks here... :lol:).

I am always spoiling myself with how-to-romance spoilers, so please pass on your Plan! 

[VampOrchid]

Wow I've been gone wayyyy tooo long. I've been working like crazy! Hope all is well with my fellow Cullen'knights

[LolaLei]

I get the impression that we gain more agents as we rise in power and status, complete quests and gain support. So, when we get one of those card things saying something like "build a mine in the sulfur pit - 15 agents required" we can only "unlock" it IF we have enough agents spare. That way we'd have to try to distribute them carefully between different things.

[Chiantirose1982]

Mahumia wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...


So, if Cullen ends up being romanceable... you can bet your bottom dollar I'm reading every possible spoiler on that one. Maybe even writing out my own DA:I Cullen Romance Strategic Plan in advance. Complete with table of contents, flow chart, and references (not that this would really surprise many folks here... :lol:).

I am always spoiling myself with how-to-romance spoilers, so please pass on your Plan! 

I do spoil myself as well as in who is romanceable, but I don't go deeper and read about the step by step. I want to figure that stuff out on my own. 

[VampOrchid]

LolaLei wrote...

I get the impression that we gain more agents as we rise in power and status, complete quests and gain support. So, when we get one of those card things saying something like "build a mine in the sulfur pit - 15 agents required" we can only "unlock" it IF we have enough agents spare. That way we'd have to try to distribute them carefully between different things.

From what I've seen here, I'm liking that card system thing. Kind of cool. Bringing us back to the DnD days lol

[R2s Muse]

Chiantirose1982 wrote...

 
You know this leak that said that there would be a magical blast at a peace conference, decimating the chantry leadership, I always thought the peace talk would be between mages and templars. Wouldn't you want to meet at a neutral place though? Just in case? The Chantry is hardly innocent in that whole debacle. So I was thinking who else could have peace talk in Orlais ... Empress Celene came to mind.

She wanted an alliance with Cailan, while other nobles wanted to take over Ferelden while it was weak. She is in kahoots with Salit in Mark of the Assassin, hoping to get the formula for their blackpowder or plans for their war ships. Also her interest in Sandal. Wasn't Anders inspired by his work to make his magical bomb? At least I took it as that when Bodahn tells you that Anders has been fascinated lately with Sandals work. Why would she need those explosive items/recipes unless she was preparing for something? Did she maybe change her mind about Ferelden? The war ships would have come in handy in taking Denerim. Or are they for her own little civil war she is having with Duke Gaspard? 

So now for a peace talk the Chantry seems like a neutral place. If the elven rebellion is actually happening, then you have two higher up in one place and can take them out with one big boom. Win! The only thing that bothers me in that speculation is that it only says Chantry leadership, but what would Mages gain from killing them? Nothing, other than being hunted even more ruthless, so what's the point?

..... and that's my contribution to "Speculation Wednesday!"

You know... hmm. That's a good point. On one hand, Divine Justinia is outside the mage-templar war, since neither look to her anymore. But, in reality, the Chantry is still part of the problem, even if Justinia is no longer signing the templars' paychecks anymore.

If it is Celene and Gaspard coming to the peace table that would be an interesting way for them to dovetail the story with Masked Throne. If some outside force is pushing everyone towards chaos, presumably they would want to disrupt any possibility of peace in Orlais. So it could follow that those are the talks "destroyed." I sort of feel like I know so little of the situation with the civil war at the start of DA:I since we haven't read Masked Throne yet and it will likely paint quite a bit to the background canvas.

[R2s Muse]

littlenikki wrote...

The issue I have is if that I learn that I missed something after the fact, then I cannot finish the playthrough I'm working on, and I have to go back and make a brand new character. Makes no sense, totally an inconvenience that makes me finishing a game twenty times longer, but my brain just has a meltdown and I just can't do it! I'm planning on getting the strategy guide too R2, hoping they make a cool version like they did for DA2

Here's hoping!

[Potato Cat]

R2s Muse wrote...
You know... hmm. That's a good point. On one hand, Divine Justinia is outside the mage-templar war, since neither look to her anymore. But, in reality, the Chantry is still part of the problem, even if Justinia is no longer signing the templars' paychecks anymore.

If it is Celene and Gaspard coming to the peace table that would be an interesting way for them to dovetail the story with Masked Throne. If some outside force is pushing everyone towards chaos, presumably they would want to disrupt any possibility of peace in Orlais. So it could follow that those are the talks "destroyed." I sort of feel like I know so little of the situation with the civil war at the start of DA:I since we haven't read Masked Throne yet and it will likely paint quite a bit to the background canvas.

But with Justinia being the one who wants to know if Tranquility can be cured or not, the mages may see HER as more of a neutral party. Plus I think the Aequatarians are still the majority, even if the Libertarians hold power at the moment. So both Aequatarians and regular Templars would be Andrastrains and still hold some respect for the Divine, even if the leadership think otherwise, so it could be in their best interests to just hear her out so as to not antagonise their supporters.
But I'll be happy with any explanation, so long as at least Celene, Fiona and or Justinia survive. These are the three main NPCs I REALLY want to talk to in DA:I. (Especially if we can reunite Fiona and Alistair!)

[Jean]

I remember being so surprised at how many people made Alistair king their first go.

First time I kept him as a warden and he and my warden skipped off into the sunset.

[LolaLei]

Batteries wrote...

I remember being so surprised at how many people made Alistair king their first go.

First time I kept him as a warden and he and my warden skipped off into the sunset.

Same.

[thats1evildude]

I think a lot of people who romanced Alistair thought he'd automatically propose if crowned.

[LolaLei]

I didn't want him to propose, and I didn't wanna be a boring Queen, so I always kept him as a Warden, even when I played as a human noble.

[meanieweenie]

LolaLei wrote...

I didn't want him to propose, and I didn't wanna be a boring Queen, so I always kept him as a Warden, even when I played as a human noble.

Nope, not me. I forced him to take the throne with me as Queen.... and I ruled with an iron fist.

On the strategy guide... I always find them helpful, as I am a "measure twice, cut once" kind of gal as well. That being said, I want to fly my first play through blind. I totally love strategy games though, so once I screw up my first play (which I am bound to do) I'll end up studying the hell out of things for efficiency sake. If I get dumped (again - Alistair, I'm looking at you) I'll scream at my keyboard then go pour another drink and re-roll.

[Potato Cat]

I always prefer to be his mistress, the other two options are a bit too 'happily ever after' for me, even with the Calling lingering over their heads. Not that I oppose the option of a happy ending, I just prefer a continuous story like DA to have long lasting problems. They'll probably never mention it, but it's always nice to think about.

[R2s Muse]

Elfman wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...
You know... hmm. That's a good point. On one hand, Divine Justinia is outside the mage-templar war, since neither look to her anymore. But, in reality, the Chantry is still part of the problem, even if Justinia is no longer signing the templars' paychecks anymore.

If it is Celene and Gaspard coming to the peace table that would be an interesting way for them to dovetail the story with Masked Throne. If some outside force is pushing everyone towards chaos, presumably they would want to disrupt any possibility of peace in Orlais. So it could follow that those are the talks "destroyed." I sort of feel like I know so little of the situation with the civil war at the start of DA:I since we haven't read Masked Throne yet and it will likely paint quite a bit to the background canvas.

But with Justinia being the one who wants to know if Tranquility can be cured or not, the mages may see HER as more of a neutral party. Plus I think the Aequatarians are still the majority, even if the Libertarians hold power at the moment. So both Aequatarians and regular Templars would be Andrastrains and still hold some respect for the Divine, even if the leadership think otherwise, so it could be in their best interests to just hear her out so as to not antagonise their supporters.
But I'll be happy with any explanation, so long as at least Celene, Fiona and or Justinia survive. These are the three main NPCs I REALLY want to talk to in DA:I. (Especially if we can reunite Fiona and Alistair!)

The thing I wonder about is how widely known it is that Justinia is sort of pro-mage. Wynne had Shale notify all the Circles that tranquility can be reversed, but not necessarily that Justinia was behind it. Even in her public meeting with Rhys et al. she was keeping her cards pretty close to her chest.

So, I dunno. I personally think Justinia rocks, but she's also not the entire Chantry. If I were in either Lambert's or Fiona's camps, I'd view the Chantry as an organization that had screwed me over. I don't think I'd trust the Chantry as  "neutral" party, because it's not.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 06 novembre 2013 - 11:24 .

[R2s Muse]

meanieweenie wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I didn't want him to propose, and I didn't wanna be a boring Queen, so I always kept him as a Warden, even when I played as a human noble.

Nope, not me. I forced him to take the throne with me as Queen.... and I ruled with an iron fist.

On the strategy guide... I always find them helpful, as I am a "measure twice, cut once" kind of gal as well. That being said, I want to fly my first play through blind. I totally love strategy games though, so once I screw up my first play (which I am bound to do) I'll end up studying the hell out of things for efficiency sake. If I get dumped (again - Alistair, I'm looking at you) I'll scream at my keyboard then go pour another drink and re-roll.

Yeah, that will be hard line to walk. Being open to whatever happens but not falling into any plot points I can't get out of. Then again... one can always reload!

[littlenikki]

Batteries wrote...

I remember being so surprised at how many people made Alistair king their first go.

First time I kept him as a warden and he and my warden skipped off into the sunset.

Since The Silent Grove comics came out, I can't shake the feeling that Alistair is *supposed* to be king, so I have trouble sticking w/ any imports that have him still being a GW. I also don't think someone as power hungry as Anora should be ruling anything larger than a penny. There's pros and cons to both situations, but one thing I've never done is made my Warden his mistress. That just feels too icky for me

[Dirgegun]

littlenikki wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I remember being so surprised at how many people made Alistair king their first go.

First time I kept him as a warden and he and my warden skipped off into the sunset.

Since The Silent Grove comics came out, I can't shake the feeling that Alistair is *supposed* to be king, so I have trouble sticking w/ any imports that have him still being a GW. I also don't think someone as power hungry as Anora should be ruling anything larger than a penny. There's pros and cons to both situations, but one thing I've never done is made my Warden his mistress. That just feels too icky for me

Anora is hardly power hungry, though. If anyone came across as power hungry it was Eamon, with how hard he pushed for Alistair to become king, knowing full well Alistair would keep him close being his precious father figure and all. Eamon didn't seem to give a damn about Alistair beyond his heritage.

Anora just came across as a woman who had been ruling for years while her man-child husband did his thing and wanted glory and heroism, then she has to deal with the events that follow her father's betrayal on the battlefield, and then some random arse Grey Warden she doesn't know shows up with some random arse heir who appears as just as much of a man-child as her husband, and this random arse Grey Warden expects her to hand the country she loves and has ruled over to him? Um....

If I was in her position I wouldn't be keen on that and it would have nothing to do with being power hungry and everything to do with wanting to protect my country from a moron ruling. I LOVE Alistair and most of my gal wardens romance him, but that doesn't automatically make him a good choice to be king.

And with the Prime Minister Australia has right now, I can definitely appreciate a woman who wants to keep an idiot from touching her country, and fighting for it instead of just stepping down placidly because the Grey Warden told her to. 

Modifié par Dirgegun, 07 novembre 2013 - 01:10 .

[meanieweenie]

Dirgegun wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I remember being so surprised at how many people made Alistair king their first go.

First time I kept him as a warden and he and my warden skipped off into the sunset.

Since The Silent Grove comics came out, I can't shake the feeling that Alistair is *supposed* to be king, so I have trouble sticking w/ any imports that have him still being a GW. I also don't think someone as power hungry as Anora should be ruling anything larger than a penny. There's pros and cons to both situations, but one thing I've never done is made my Warden his mistress. That just feels too icky for me

Anora is hardly power hungry, though. If anyone came across as power hungry it was Eamon, with how hard he pushed for Alistair to become king, knowing full well Alistair would keep him close being his precious father figure and all. Eamon didn't seem to give a damn about Alistair beyond his heritage.

Anora just came across as a woman who had been ruling for years while her man-child husband did his thing and wanted glory and heroism, then she has to deal with the events that follow her father's betrayal on the battlefield, and then some random arse Grey Warden she doesn't know shows up with some random arse heir who appears as just as much of a man-child as her husband, and this random arse Grey Warden expects her to hand the country she loves and has ruled over to him? Um....

If I was in her position I wouldn't be keen on that and it would have nothing to do with being power hungry and everything to do with wanting to protect my country from a moron ruling. I LOVE Alistair and most of my gal wardens romance him, but that doesn't automatically make him a good choice to be king.

And with the Prime Minister Australia has right now, I can definitely appreciate a woman who wants to keep an idiot from touching her country, and fighting for it instead of just stepping down placidly because the Grey Warden told her to. 

First I need to be shamefully immature and giggle at the highlighted point there.

As for Anora, I can see your points. I'm also not sure power hungry would be an exactly accurate description. She's more like "don't touch my stuff", even if it's not technically hers. She has indeed been taking care of business for quite some time and has that sense of ownership. That being said, I don't trust her. For whatever reason, I get a super shady vibe off her that always made me question her motives.

[thats1evildude]

Dirgegun wrote...

Anora is hardly power hungry, though. If anyone came across as power hungry it was Eamon, with how hard he pushed for Alistair to become king, knowing full well Alistair would keep him close being his precious father figure and all. Eamon didn't seem to give a damn about Alistair beyond his heritage.

Have you ever played through the Landsmeet with an unhardened Alistair and executed Loghain? When it comes time to pick a ruler and Alistair says "Wait, we haven't decided anything yet," Anora is practically frothing at the mouth. "You see? You see? He abdicated! You all heard it, I know you did! Make me Queen, Warden!" She comes off as incredibly desperate.

Even worse, she's totally hypocritical, since she chides Alistair for "putting his selfish desires ahead of his country" and yet betrays you at the Landsmeet even when you tell her you'll support her for queen but don't intend to spare Loghain, who she readily acknowledges is driving the country straight into the ground.

I don't see the "power-hungry" thing with Eamon, as he reacts quite well to the Warden announcing s/he will serve as Alistair's chancellor. He even sounds a bit disappointed if you decide you're not hanging around, as the Hero of Ferelden will have considerable influence.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 07 novembre 2013 - 01:29 .

[littlenikki]

I can understand where her drive is coming from, don't get me wrong, just the way she handles things rubs me the wrong way. She's a super polarizing character it seems, you either get her or you don't and I just don't. Not trying to say any of my views are anything more than just how I interpret the character, that's just how I feel *shrugs*

Agree on the Eamon front, I would murder knife that douche in a heartbeat with some of my less diplomatic characters.

[Dirgegun]

meanieweenie wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I remember being so surprised at how many people made Alistair king their first go.

First time I kept him as a warden and he and my warden skipped off into the sunset.

Since The Silent Grove comics came out, I can't shake the feeling that Alistair is *supposed* to be king, so I have trouble sticking w/ any imports that have him still being a GW. I also don't think someone as power hungry as Anora should be ruling anything larger than a penny. There's pros and cons to both situations, but one thing I've never done is made my Warden his mistress. That just feels too icky for me

Anora is hardly power hungry, though. If anyone came across as power hungry it was Eamon, with how hard he pushed for Alistair to become king, knowing full well Alistair would keep him close being his precious father figure and all. Eamon didn't seem to give a damn about Alistair beyond his heritage.

Anora just came across as a woman who had been ruling for years while her man-child husband did his thing and wanted glory and heroism, then she has to deal with the events that follow her father's betrayal on the battlefield, and then some random arse Grey Warden she doesn't know shows up with some random arse heir who appears as just as much of a man-child as her husband, and this random arse Grey Warden expects her to hand the country she loves and has ruled over to him? Um....

If I was in her position I wouldn't be keen on that and it would have nothing to do with being power hungry and everything to do with wanting to protect my country from a moron ruling. I LOVE Alistair and most of my gal wardens romance him, but that doesn't automatically make him a good choice to be king.

And with the Prime Minister Australia has right now, I can definitely appreciate a woman who wants to keep an idiot from touching her country, and fighting for it instead of just stepping down placidly because the Grey Warden told her to. 

First I need to be shamefully immature and giggle at the highlighted point there.

As for Anora, I can see your points. I'm also not sure power hungry would be an exactly accurate description. She's more like "don't touch my stuff", even if it's not technically hers. She has indeed been taking care of business for quite some time and has that sense of ownership. That being said, I don't trust her. For whatever reason, I get a super shady vibe off her that always made me question her motives.

...I didn't even notice. 

I can understand getting a shady vibe from her/not personally liking her because something doesn't feel right. I, personally, get that same kind of vibe from Eamon, who I feel saw an opportunity with Alistair and the situation and decided to take it. He might have been concerned about the Darkspawn and what have you, but I didn't feel he was half as good as the man Alistair described.

Teagon on the other hand DID care for Alistair, and I'm more in mind to think he was the one who actually put Alistair's amulet back together rather than Eamon. That's just my personal feelings/theory, though.    

[Dirgegun]

thats1evildude wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

Anora is hardly power hungry, though. If anyone came across as power hungry it was Eamon, with how hard he pushed for Alistair to become king, knowing full well Alistair would keep him close being his precious father figure and all. Eamon didn't seem to give a damn about Alistair beyond his heritage.

Have you ever played through the Landsmeet with an unhardened Alistair and executed Loghain? When it comes time to pick a ruler and Alistair says "Wait, we haven't decided anything yet," Anora is practically frothing at the mouth. "You see? You see? He abdicated! You all heard it, I know you did! Make me Queen, Warden!" She comes off as incredibly desperate.

Even worse, she's totally hypocritical, since she chides Alistair for "putting his selfish desires ahead of his country" and yet betrays you at the Landsmeet even when you tell her you'll support her for queen but don't intend to spare Loghain, who she readily acknowledges is driving the country straight into the ground.

I don't see the "power-hungry" thing with Eamon, as he reacts quite well to the Warden announcing s/he will serve as Alistair's chancellor. He even sounds a bit disappointed if you decide you're not hanging around, as the Hero of Ferelden will have considerable influence.

Loghain was her loving father up until he started going off the deep end, and I can understand his argument/why he did what he did considering what he went through as a younger man and how it seemed, in his eyes, that King Cailan was prepared to hand Ferelden back to the country that had enslaved it in the not to distant past. I'm not ignoring Anora's flaws or calling her a saint, but in all cases her 'betrayals' are both completely understandable or because the Warden betrayed her first/she's doing what she feels is best for Ferelden. Is it selfish to not want your FATHER murdered? Yes, but I sure as hell can't blame her for it. Is it selfish to not want the country you've been ruling handed over to some random young man who's crawled out of the wood work? Yes, but I can understand that too.

And with Alistair's 'we haven't decided anything,' she didn't sound desperate to me, but just someone who wanted to keep a completely random man who did come across as a bit of a man-child, especially when he isn't hardened, from ruling the country. You have to be a bit tenacious when it comes to politics, or the other party walks all over you, and I can understand why she wouldn't want to back down on a point like 'handing the country over to random heir who hasn't proven he has any leadership capabilities whatsoever'.

...Especially when she sees the Warden doing all the work while Alistair just happily trots behind her/him. Especially when an unhardened Alistair even says he doesn't want to rule.

I'm not painting her as some saint or perfect woman who can do no wrong, but we don't like it when people simplify Cullen and ignore his motives, so we shouldn't do that to other characters, either, yeah? ^^;;

Modifié par Dirgegun, 07 novembre 2013 - 01:44 .