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[TreeHuggerHannah]

Xilizhra wrote...

Bear in mind I was actively trying to get some dirt because my Hawke was worried, and it just wasn't working.

Er... how? It might help if you try to bump into the wandering mages, as there are several Tranquil who reference Ser Alrik, and you don't have to look hard to find them. It's not totally random.

Well, apparently I missed some people or didn't click on them enough times or both. I was also more focused on people I thought would be holding a grudge and might want to vent than on Tranquil (since at that point I didn't know enough to think there might be a specific issue with the Tranquil.) That's my mistake.

But my point was that it's entirely possible to miss that even if people aren't overall reluctant to talk to you, as the mages would likely be overall reluctant to talk to Cullen.

ETA: I don't mean to suggest it's possible to miss that there were abuses of power going on, that the mages were suffering from oppression and being mistreated, etc. That's all made quite obvious. The specifically sexual component is what I wasn't aware of till Best Served Cold.

Modifié par TreeHuggerHannah, 18 novembre 2013 - 06:34 .

[CuriousArtemis]

The thing about Cullen is he's a distressingly human character. I can see him learning about the abuse and handling it badly. I don't for one second believe he's okay with a person being abused just because s/he's a mage. He's not a monster. But I can see him trying to "tread carefully" and not ruffle feathers (or anger Meredith). He might feel he has no jurisdiction around Karras, who is from Starkhaven, or he might be reluctant to act for a variety of reasons. Like R2 said, we don't know, and it's hopefully something they'll address in DAI.

I think in my last fic I had Cullen not know at first but eventually he did know? But didn't really act? But was very guilty about it. (Too little, too late.) I have to admit, I had fun writing Cullen, who is literally a knight in shining armor, but who sometimes makes all too human mistakes. (Not that "allowing rape" is a mere mistake.)

[TreeHuggerHannah]

motomotogirl wrote...

The thing about Cullen is he's a distressingly human character. I can see him learning about the abuse and handling it badly. I don't for one second believe he's okay with a person being abused just because s/he's a mage. He's not a monster. But I can see him trying to "tread carefully" and not ruffle feathers (or anger Meredith). He might feel he has no jurisdiction around Karras, who is from Starkhaven, or he might be reluctant to act for a variety of reasons. Like R2 said, we don't know, and it's hopefully something they'll address in DAI. 

I have sort of mixed feelings about this, because on the one hand the fact that Cullen knew bad stuff was going on and didn't act is... well, frankly I think it's canon, because there's no way he could have been completely unaware of everything that was happening given his level of command. He has to have been turning a blind eye to brutality in various forms at times. Yeah, he's definitely a deeply flawed character.

What I just can't wrap my brain around is Cullen turning a blind eye to other templars having sexual contact (consensually or not) with people he considers so dangerous. The possibilities of possession and blood magic, of blackmail, of templars developing an emotional attachment... I mean, when you consider his reaction to Keran maybe being possessed after being kidnapped by mages? It doesn't make sense to me that he'd be okay with that level of physical closeness and vulnerability of the templar, even if consent was a complete nonissue to him.
I guess we'll find out when/if his character is explored more in DA:I. 

Modifié par TreeHuggerHannah, 18 novembre 2013 - 06:51 .

[R2s Muse]

motomotogirl wrote...

The thing about Cullen is he's a distressingly human character. I can see him learning about the abuse and handling it badly. I don't for one second believe he's okay with a person being abused just because s/he's a mage. He's not a monster. But I can see him trying to "tread carefully" and not ruffle feathers (or anger Meredith). He might feel he has no jurisdiction around Karras, who is from Starkhaven, or he might be reluctant to act for a variety of reasons. Like R2 said, we don't know, and it's hopefully something they'll address in DAI.

I think in my last fic I had Cullen not know at first but eventually he did know? But didn't really act? But was very guilty about it. (Too little, too late.) I have to admit, I had fun writing Cullen, who is literally a knight in shining armor, but who sometimes makes all too human mistakes. (Not that "allowing rape" is a mere mistake.)

Yeah, I also could see him stumbling with knowing what to do about it. I think we talked once upon a time, long long ago, about someone writing a carthartic "Cullen secretly beats up Karras/Alrik" type fic with some vigilante justice in it.

I tend to headcanon Meredith as becoming more and more secretive as time goes by, keeping to herself and not taking counsel from anyone. I also picture Cullen as an outsider amongst the rest of the templars, even after 7 years. So I always imagine him in some sense being 'on his own' to deal with it, if/when he eventually finds out. But, I'd be very disturbed if he was willfully abetting the abuse.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 18 novembre 2013 - 06:55 .

[CuriousArtemis]

TreeHuggerHannah wrote...


What I just can't wrap my brain around is Cullen turning a blind eye to other templars having sexual contact (consensually or not) with people he considers so dangerous. The possibilities of possession and blood magic, of blackmail, of templars developing an emotional attachment... I mean, when you consider his reaction to Keran maybe being possessed after being kidnapped by mages? It doesn't make sense to me that he'd be okay with that level of physical closeness and vulnerability of the templar, even if consent was a complete nonissue to him.

Very true, but even beyond the blood magic issue, Cullen is just not (or does not appear to be) the type to be okay with sexual assault/abuse. He is a devout Andrastian (sp?) and has shown that he's a kind person and takes duty and honor seriously. That's not to say he doesn't have serious issues regarding mages and personhood (especially in Acts 1&2) but I can't see him learning that Alain or sweet Ella or Bethany is being raped repeatedly by Alrik/Karras, and just going, ehh, s/he's just a mage, who cares.

R2s Muse wrote...

I tend to headcanon Meredith as becoming more and more secretive as time goes by, keeping to herself and not taking counsel from anyone. I also picture Cullen as an outsider amongst the rest of the templars, even after 7 years. So I always imagine him in some sense being 'on his own' to deal with it, if/when he eventually finds out. But, I'd be very disturbed if he was willfully abetting the abuse. 

I also see Cullen as an outsider. Why is that? I wonder why we're getting that impression. 

[R2s Muse]

motomotogirl wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

I tend to headcanon Meredith as becoming more and more secretive as time goes by, keeping to herself and not taking counsel from anyone. I also picture Cullen as an outsider amongst the rest of the templars, even after 7 years. So I always imagine him in some sense being 'on his own' to deal with it, if/when he eventually finds out. But, I'd be very disturbed if he was willfully abetting the abuse. 

I also see Cullen as an outsider. Why is that? I wonder why we're getting that impression. 

LOL Because we've talked about it about a billion times to the point that it's become Cullen thread canon.

[Xilizhra]

I also see Cullen as an outsider. Why is that? I wonder why we're getting that impression.

He's Fereldan and Kirkwall is pretty nativist, even within its templars. Including Meredith.

Also, I won't say that Cullen knew about rape issues beyond a shadow of a doubt... but I will say that he had to have heard things that would have led to him knowing this had he pursued them, which he didn't. I think he might have been lying to himself a lot.

[TreeHuggerHannah]

motomotogirl wrote...

Very true, but even beyond the blood magic issue, Cullen is just not (or does not appear to be) the type to be okay with sexual assault/abuse. He is a devout Andrastian (sp?) and has shown that he's a kind person and takes duty and honor seriously. That's not to say he doesn't have serious issues regarding mages and personhood (especially in Acts 1&2) but I can't see him learning that Alain or sweet Ella or Bethany is being raped repeatedly by Alrik/Karras, and just going, ehh, s/he's just a mage, who cares.

Yeah, I don't either. I think it would bother him deeply, and that when he eventually found out (regardless of what actions he took in response) it would cause him a lot of guilt.

That's just my own character interpretation, though, not anything canon. I know some people interpret him as a complete monster, so I was trying to go with a point that didn't rely on seeing him any particular way.

I also see Cullen as an outsider. Why is that? I wonder why we're getting that impression. 

So do I. I think for me it's partly the trauma he suffered, and partly that he seems a lot less self-serving than most of those around him, as well as the fact that he's a literal outsider because he isn't from Kirkwall.

Modifié par TreeHuggerHannah, 18 novembre 2013 - 07:08 .

[CuriousArtemis]

R2s Muse wrote...

LOL Because we've talked about it about a billion times to the point that it's become Cullen thread canon.

Touche 

Xilizhra wrote...

 I think he might have been lying to himself a lot.

Yep, yep, yep, and yep, this x 1000!!

[Mahumia]

Bit late to the party as usual, but finally done reading Gaiders 'Nuts and Bolts' blog about game writing. Loved reading about all aspects that are involved when writing a single quest (let alone a whole game). Would have loved to have a quest like that to actually be in the game... maybe for da:i?

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Alrighty! I finally made one of the PAX Prime Dragon Age: Inquisition videos!:

Excellent as always, my dear! And, now I have a new reaction gif...


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Bwahahahaha! Someone turn that into a gif, we could use it for all sorts of situations! 

[CuriousArtemis]

Remove the text at top and it could be used for a whole variety of things!

"Cullen confirmed as companion and LI!"
"DA:I moved back to Summer 2016!"
"BioWare confirms you will be able to romance all ten companions... at the same time!"

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

Okay, Lola, you make an absolutely adorable Inquisitor! Nice face "tattoo"! lol

I also laughed at the Cullen bit; that will be my reaction, too... I can just see me being like, blah blah blah, plot plot, hmm I wonder what color I should paint my new castle walls *ignoring what random soldier guy is saying until he says the name CULLEN*  Who-What?!?! WHERE?



Confession, I am one of those who was worried by the Inquisitor's voice; here's hoping it's a stand-in? Also, your video made me realize that none of those dialogue options had personality options; I hope the Inquistor hasn't lost his/her personality? Even the Warden apparently had personality dialogue options.

LOL ta! My Inquisitor wouldn't really dress like that, the fur stole would have to go immediately! :lol:

I've heard loads of people complaining about the voice in the forums. Like, really being sh!tty about it, rather than just voicing concerns, that's who that part was aimed at, lol.

[R2s Muse]

Xilizhra wrote...

I also see Cullen as an outsider. Why is that? I wonder why we're getting that impression.

He's Fereldan and Kirkwall is pretty nativist, even within its templars. Including Meredith.

Also, I won't say that Cullen knew about rape issues beyond a shadow of a doubt... but I will say that he had to have heard things that would have led to him knowing this had he pursued them, which he didn't. I think he might have been lying to himself a lot.

To be fair, we actually have no idea if he did or didn't do anything. Only that, from the outside, little seemed to change. So, again, I think we just don't know enough other than to speculate.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Bwahahahaha! Someone turn that into a gif, we could use it for all sorts of situations! 

OK.... my first animated gif!



And, just in case we need it in the future...  

[[NOTE, THIS IS JUST A DRILL!!! CULLEN HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED AS ANYTHING FOR DA:I YET!!]]

Modifié par R2s Muse, 20 novembre 2013 - 01:52 .

[Mahumia]

We will maybe never know for sure, but I highly doubt that he just ignored the abuses within the Kirkwall Circle. I actually think he has no more than rumours, and (personal canon) has been told by Meredith to drop it and to not speak about it. Perhaps he has been doing things behind the scene though, in order to investigate and/or to try to protect the mages when he is on watch duty. I agree that he has probably been lying to himself a lot too.

And regarding the tranquilizing of the surrendered mages: as I have told before, I think Cullen has not done that nor given permission to do so. I'd rather think one of the fanatical templars has taken right into their own hands and performed the rite, as they have been doing it freely for some time before...

[Mahumia]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Bwahahahaha! Someone turn that into a gif, we could use it for all sorts of situations! 

OK.... my first animated gif!



And, just in case we need it in the future...  

[[NOTE, THIS IS JUST A DRILL!!! CULLEN HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED AS ANYTHING FOR DA:I YET!!]]

Oh R2, you just made my day! 

[R2s Muse]

OK, and unwatermarked versions.  (edit: my pleasure! :D)




[[NOTE, THIS IS JUST A DRILL!!! CULLEN HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED AS ANYTHING FOR DA:I YET!!]]

Modifié par R2s Muse, 18 novembre 2013 - 08:58 .

[LolaLei]

LMFAO, it looks like i'm honking up!

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

LMFAO, it looks like i'm honking up!

LOL It does a little!!  Still awesome! Bwahaha!

[VampOrchid]

Lola, watching your vid! Loving it!

[VampOrchid]

God I wuv Dagna!

[TreeHuggerHannah]

LolaLei wrote...

LMFAO, it looks like i'm honking up!

I love it, though! How did you manage to spit in such an accurate stream? You have a talent! 

[Eternal Phoenix]

Cullen confirmed as Epic Templar Guy!

YES!

Which means he now sports a manly beard.

Oh and he's also uber religious and chaste.

(No seriously, I do have a big problem with Cullen, my problem is that he hasn't got a beard. He needs a beard and then I'll accept him as the true templar companion I've awaited since ****ing Dragon Age: Origins! He's got the armor. He needs the beard. He also needs a firmly established position on the mage conflict now. No more ****ing about because I want a true templar not some half-templar.)

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 19 novembre 2013 - 05:56 .

[Kirrahe1]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Cullen confirmed as Epic Templar Guy!
YES!
Which means he now sports a manly beard.

Oh and he's also uber religious and chaste.

(No seriously, I do have a big problem with Cullen, my problem is that he hasn't got a beard. He needs a beard and then I'll accept him as the true templar companion I've awaited since ****ing Dragon Age: Origins! He's got the armor. He needs the beard. He also needs a firmly established position on the mage conflict now. No more ****ing about because I want a true templar not some half-templar.)

 Hi there! How are you doing?  Now that the Pleasantries are aside I just might be able to elevate some of your concern lol . Well I don't know about everything else, but I think what Cullen has on his face could count as a goatee, which is by definition a small beard. So I guess the beard thing is sort of resolved. 

Modifié par Kirrahe1, 19 novembre 2013 - 07:49 .