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[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Exactly and if they didn't have time to make it work then they should have just stuck to the old love/hate system or not given us the option to be a blood Mage at all. Or maybe some how implied that his/her blood magic was a secret that the companions/LI were unaware of.

Yeah, this was a weakness to how blood mages were treated overall, I think, along with how none of the templars ever noticed you were a mage, etc. There was little environmental reaction to anything you did... which I am hopeful will be fixed based on one of those dev tweets Lola shared!

@Staarbux, agree, that would be a neat aspect to the romances, making it more of a puzzle to get someone to romance you. LOL Kind of like a real romance, you'd have to figure out what makes that person tick instead of pushing the "heart" button each time for a sure-fire romantic consequence. I mean, I know there was a lot of complaining from DA:O about how you never knew what the result of certain dialogue options would be... but hell, IMO, that's what re-load is for. Of course, I personally also have no problem with meta-gaming...

edit: OH and YES, you should definitely write a fic about your idea!

Modifié par R2s Muse, 27 juillet 2012 - 12:36 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Here's a question for you all:

If you could pick any origin you wanted (literally anything that fits within the DA setting) what would you want your protagonist to be? And what do you think Cullen's reaction to your protagonist's background history/class would be?

So, been thinking about my response... and you know, I would love to be a Seeker (*dodges tomatoes*). I am imagining the PC is a templar who is newly picked to join the Seeker ranks due to her awesomeness (and for fun, she's a dual-wielding rogue, ala some of Cassandra's skills in Dawn of the Seeker). She has just started her training in Orlais, so cue some nice introductory, training scenes at the beginning of the game that (teach you how to use the controls), set the scene and explain the difference between templars and Seekers. It has just been explained to her that, in contrast to her templar training, she is now expected to think outside the box, work outside the rules, and ask the questions no one asks in her new special agent-y role. But then, the Navarran Accord is broken. OH NO! Suddenly she isn't sure where her loyalities lie. Conflicted and only half-trained, she is sent to the first battle of the mage-templar war, and gets ambushed along the way. The only survivor, she's now completely on her own and trying to decide where her duty lies.

What does Cullen think of her? I think he'd feel an immediately bond given their similar backgrounds, but once he finds out she... questions her duty, he shuns her for this. But then, he later admits it's because he has his own doubts and feels horrible about it. They then find their way together... <3

[Dwarva]

I really like that too!

The more time goes by the less annoyed I think I'd be if I were made to be a seeker. As long as the option was there to question the system you were part of I think they could make it work.

[LolaLei]

I wouldn't mind having the option to play as a seeker, so long as we get other options too, mainly 'cause I don't think mages can be Seekers lol.

[LolaLei]

I was thinking earlier that I could see the DA team making Cullen a companion in DA3 but not a love interest, simply because I kinda feel like they wouldn't know how to impliment him into becoming a romance option without it seeming out of character (like him dating a Mage etc), especially after all the controversy that kicked off over Fenris dating a blood mage/Anders dating a Templar supporter etc.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

I wouldn't mind having the option to play as a seeker, so long as we get other options too, mainly 'cause I don't think mages can be Seekers lol.

Right... I was imagining it like in Origins, where if you wanted to be a mage that meant only certain options, etc.  I would hope they'd do something similar so that it "makes sense." So, yeah, I could see a Seeker being only warrior or rogue, traveling intinerant gypsy potentially as any (like, maybe your horrible using family also abused your talents as other classes, too!), Tevinter mage as, um, mage. etc.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

I was thinking earlier that I could see the DA team making Cullen a companion in DA3 but not a love interest, simply because I kinda feel like they wouldn't know how to impliment him into becoming a romance option without it seeming out of character (like him dating a Mage etc), especially after all the controversy that kicked off over Fenris dating a blood mage/Anders dating a Templar supporter etc.

I don't know... I always feel that his concerns about mages are more related to duty than to personal squickiness. That dating a mage would be a problem because his duty says he can't fraternize in that way, not that he would constantly be concerned that he'd wake up in the middle of the night with an abomination in his bed. Take away that duty (as I imagine is possible in DA3), and you take away some of those obstacles.

LOL of course, given that image of an abomination in his bed... now I want to write that!  And... now that I write it, I backpedal a bit. That probably would be an ongoing issue for him to some degree, imagining he wakes up next to his girlfriend and suddenly she has horns and a tail. And, it would probably be a debilitating obstacle during his more traumatized days. But, when more fully recovered, I could see it being an obstacle to overcome as opposed to a permanent barrier.

And, to illustrate that thought... Aimo!

[berelinde]

Forced seeker protagonist = no sale, as far as I'm concerned. If it were given as an option, fine, but I don't want to have to do mental gymnastics to rationalize a character choice I hate at the outset. I would sooner play a game with a fixed protagonist who is a straight male and no romance options but Leliana. Or apply a cheese grater to my elbow. That sounds more fun than either of those options.

Seeker companion or templar companion (Cullen!), great! I look forward to having them in the party and finding out all about them and their agenda. I just don't want my character to identify as anything that had ever been associated with the chantry in any way.

People seem to think that "seeker" is an entry level position. It isn't. It's a prestigious order composed of those who have already proven their loyalty and devotion.

I wouldn't mind it as one of several different origins, though. I might even play it once for the achievement, like I did for the templar playthrough. I wonder what kind of origin they would cook up for mages. Maybe one of the refugees at Andural's Reach? That would be fun. Worst case, I wouldn't mind playing as an apostate again.

At the end of the day, I prefer to have extreme political views embraced by NPCs rather than forced upon a protagonist. I was totally cool with Anders doing the "Mages, mages, rah rah rah!" thing, Fenris doing the "Death to all mages!" thing, etc., but that was largely because Hawke was still free to pick one side, the other, or tell them both to take a hike. In the future, I wouldn't mind Cullen telling me that Andraste saves or what have you, but if that position were forced on my protag, I'd resent it too much to enjoy the game.

[LolaLei]

Those desire demons are hot though LOL!

I guess if he comes to the realisation that only the weak willed and insane let demons in then hopefully he'd get past those issues, plus the protagonist is always exceptional in some way or another so perhaps that would also swing things in our favour.

[berelinde]

Desire demons don't do much for me, but that's because they're always female. Maybe if they introduced a male model...

Now there's a soap box to jump on! Equal opportunity temptation!

What would a male desire demon look like, I wonder? And how would Cullen react to seeing one tempt the protagonist? "You think those biceps are hot? Check out these bad boys!"

[LolaLei]

Lmao I'd love there to be male desire demons, I bet they'd be wearing nothing but a loin cloth, with ridiculously ripped muscles! Man that would be awesome!

I think Cullen would be like "wtf?! What's he got that I haven't? I can paint myself purple too y'know!"

[meanieweenie]

A desire demon that took the form of the PC's object of desire would be worth looking into. For instance, say your PC has taken the flirty options with Cullen and it's clear that's where your affections lie then it would make sense to me that the demon would be most effective if it took his form. It would mess with you so bad! Especially if you had no reason to be expecting a demon. For all you know, Cullen really is making his moves. There would only be subtle clues to tip you off. Otherwise you are temporarily possessed... at which point you have to answer for your actions once you come out of it.

[LolaLei]

Omg that's a great idea! And it would also be kinda flattering to the potential love interest if they tried to help pull you out of it, only to discover the object of the protagonists desire is them.

I think Cullen would feel concerned, flustered and smug in equal measures lol!

Modifié par LolaLei, 27 juillet 2012 - 02:31 .

[LolaLei]

It would also be cool to see the love interest (in our case Cullen) being tempted/tricked by a desire demon pretending to be our protagonist. Especially in Cullen's case since he experienced something similar with the Warden's image when he was trapped in the Circle Tower.

I love to see first hand what demons like that do in order to torture/convince someone to "let them in" in DA3.

[berelinde]

LolaLei wrote...

It would also be cool to see the love interest (in our case Cullen) being tempted/tricked by a desire demon pretending to be our protagonist. Especially in Cullen's case since he experienced something similar with the Warden's image when he was trapped in the Circle Tower.

I love to see first hand what demons like that do in order to torture/convince someone to "let them in" in DA3.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

I guess Cullen's feelings on the subject would depend on how well he recovered from his early infatuation with the Warden. If he had accepted it maturely and moved on, I could see him accepting it as well as anybody could accept having their would-be lover tempted by a demon, but if he was mired in shame about the experience, treating his infatuation as a humiliation, I could see him reacting negatively.

[LolaLei]

He seemed to have accepted things with the Warden by Act 2 in DA2 and seemed at peace with himself surrounding his infatuation. It's clear he was still "dreamy" about her and I dare say at that point he would have turned into a stuttery mess if she had randomly shown up in Kirkwall, but over all I think he's ripe for picking come Act 3.

It'll be over 10 years since his time in Ferelden by the time DA3 happens, so if he's ever gonna be romancable, DA3 would be the perfect window of opportunity. Let's just hope the DA team agree!

Modifié par LolaLei, 27 juillet 2012 - 02:56 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Lmao I'd love there to be male desire demons, I bet they'd be wearing nothing but a loin cloth, with ridiculously ripped muscles! Man that would be awesome!

I think Cullen would be like "wtf?! What's he got that I haven't? I can paint myself purple too y'know!"

You know, I saw a representation of a male desire demon on devart at some point... Impossible to remember where now, but it was... awesome.

But you know... I never realized before that we never really see desire demons as men, tempting women, even though a demon could in principle take the form of anyone. Humph.

[LolaLei]

Yeah, I guess their natural form is that of a woman... Maybe men are easier to tempt LOL!

[Xilizhra]

But you know... I never realized before that we never really see desire demons as men, tempting women, even though a demon could in principle take the form of anyone. Humph.

Caress does so indirectly with Isabela, and very directly with Aveline.

[LolaLei]

Xilizhra wrote...

But you know... I never realized before that we never really see desire demons as men, tempting women, even though a demon could in principle take the form of anyone. Humph.

Caress does so indirectly with Isabela, and very directly with Aveline.

What actually happens with Aveline in the fade, because the one time I took her in with me nothing happened lol. Is she tempted with the promise of Donnic or Wesley?

[berelinde]

Good point. Doesn't she assume Wesley's vein-y tainted form, though? You'd think she'd have chosen the healthy version.

[R2s Muse]

berelinde wrote...

Good point. Doesn't she assume Wesley's vein-y tainted form, though? You'd think she'd have chosen the healthy version.

Ah, does she? I guess I've never had Aveline with me without Isabela, and she's stays in her female demony form with Isabela, IIRC.  If so, I stand corrected!

[LolaLei]

berelinde wrote...

Good point. Doesn't she assume Wesley's vein-y tainted form, though? You'd think she'd have chosen the healthy version.

Lmao, how creepy is that!

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

berelinde wrote...

Good point. Doesn't she assume Wesley's vein-y tainted form, though? You'd think she'd have chosen the healthy version.

Lmao, how creepy is that!

Eeeew. Indeed.

[LolaLei]

Bloody hell! That's nightmare inducing!

Aw man, I'd love to know what offer a demon would make Cullen.