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Chanda wrote...

Merry Christmas Cullen thread!

I gave birth to my son this morning at 12:34am, he's my Christmas Baby! 8 lbs 8 oz and 20.5 inches long.

Congrats!!!  
I hope you both are recovering well and bonding madly. Merry Christmas. 

[Ser Alicia]

Oh, I missed so much here while I was away!

Chanda wrote...

Merry Christmas Cullen thread! 

I gave birth to my son this morning at 12:34am, he's my Christmas Baby! 8 lbs 8 oz and 20.5 inches long.

Aww congrats, Chanda! That's amazing news! Good luck!

Also, congrats to the people who were lucky enough to get a beta invite! Hopefully you guys can pass us a little info about the Keep here and there, if the NDA allows it.

[CuriousArtemis]

berelinde wrote...

I get it that the writers avoid fanfic involving canon characters because portrayal of those characters differs from their vision. Not all developers are writers. Also, it seems as if they never pass up an opportunity to deride fanfic writers to the extent that it has become not only accepted, but expected. They make a joke of it, and so do we.

Some fanfic is bad. Some art is bad. Some cosplay is bad. It's true, although not universally so. But artists and cosplayers are encouraged and lauded for their effort not because every chibi Fenris cartoon is a masterpiece, but because they're celebrating something they love through their art. So are writers, incidentally, it's just that people are conditioned to make jokes about fanfic. They're a neglected portion of the fan base who are engaging in something they love according to their talents. It's unfortunate that anyone should feel marginalized or excluded for this, but we are.

This would have been the perfect opportunity to show fanfic writers that they are a valued part of the community even if no dev will ever read what they write, but that isn't how it worked out. The groups that traditionally get the rewards got some more. I don't begrudge them that! It's their party and they get to invite who they want. But I do wonder why they bothered putting out a general call for beta testers.

Please understand that I am not in any way criticizing the efforts of cosplayers, artists, and video bloggers! I admire their work, and it is nice to see that good things are coming their way for it. It just pains me to see how one group - potentially the largest "fanworks" category - is excluded once again.

For what it's worth, I'm not exerting myself on my own behalf. I'm nowhere near prolific enough for anybody to even know my name, let alone care about my involvement in the community. And I have a habit of saying things that people don't really want to hear. But there are writers who put everything they have into their writing on a consistent basis, and I appreciate the time, effort, and love these writers put into their art.

Well said  And I hope your fiance recovers from his/her surgery well 

EDIT: If it helps to know, the academic community has taken note of fanfiction (and fan culture in general), and often treats it with respect, if at times curiosity. Perhaps because many academics are also nerds fanfic writers xD

Modifié par motomotogirl, 27 décembre 2013 - 12:41 .

[Ser Alicia]

motomotogirl wrote...
Perhaps because many academics are also nerds fanfic writers xD

I can attest to this! lol

[Mahumia]

Well, my drawing skills have been neglected for soo long that I have a really hard time to come up with something I find at least remotely decent, I already hate pictures of myself, let alone that I would like to make vids where I am in, even if only the voice (cause I think my Dutch accent sucks) and I am still trying to find a victim to fix my cosplay-costume.... so yeah, fanfic it is for me XD (bachelor degree here, by the way)

Just so you know: I have great respect for those who cover whatever spectrum of the fanbase and I am really glad for those who got their beta invites!

[VampOrchid]

I say congrats to the invites n congrats to new babies! Excited for all of you! I'm just hoping Lola being picked is a sign of more Cullen to come in the new game!

[R2s Muse]

berelinde wrote...

I get it that the writers avoid fanfic involving canon characters because portrayal of those characters differs from their vision. Not all developers are writers. Also, it seems as if they never pass up an opportunity to deride fanfic writers to the extent that it has become not only accepted, but expected. They make a joke of it, and so do we.

Some fanfic is bad. Some art is bad. Some cosplay is bad. It's true, although not universally so. But artists and cosplayers are encouraged and lauded for their effort not because every chibi Fenris cartoon is a masterpiece, but because they're celebrating something they love through their art. So are writers, incidentally, it's just that people are conditioned to make jokes about fanfic. They're a neglected portion of the fan base who are engaging in something they love according to their talents. It's unfortunate that anyone should feel marginalized or excluded for this, but we are.

Nicely said. It is a little too easy poke fun at fanfic when, heck, half of us have written  some. Fan love is fan love, no matter the medium or the level of talent.  

Now, that being said, I doubt they're really ignoring that part of the population. I think we just have to wait and see, and more invites will eventually roll out.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 27 décembre 2013 - 02:22 .

[littlenikki]

berelinde wrote...

How about those who devote countless hours writing fanfic or doing fanart? If you are going to say this is based on merit, dont they deserve the same? But they will not get it.

They absolutely deserve the same, but realistically it's probably a lot harder for them to pinpoint which fanfic author/artist is connected to what email/application, compared to finding fans who put their names and faces out there on a weekly basis. I'm not trying to say one form of fan devotion is better than the other, anyone that puts their hard work and love into something that is created not only for themselves but the entire community has my respect. I guess my overall point is that the guys and gals that got the early invitations certainly are well deserving of it, and I don't think it's right to get mad at the Bioware devs for giving something back. 

[HurricaneGinger]

littlenikki wrote...

berelinde wrote...

How about those who devote countless hours writing fanfic or doing fanart? If you are going to say this is based on merit, dont they deserve the same? But they will not get it.

They absolutely deserve the same, but realistically it's probably a lot harder for them to pinpoint which fanfic author/artist is connected to what email/application, compared to finding fans who put their names and faces out there on a weekly basis. I'm not trying to say one form of fan devotion is better than the other, anyone that puts their hard work and love into something that is created not only for themselves but the entire community has my respect. I guess my overall point is that the guys and gals that got the early invitations certainly are well deserving of it, and I don't think it's right to get mad at the Bioware devs for giving something back. 

Pretty much this. Beside, the release of beta keys will be in a few weeks and those who receive them will get the exact same experience as those who got them early. It's okay, guys. 

[CuriousArtemis]

littlenikki wrote...

I guess my overall point is that the guys and gals that got the early invitations certainly are well deserving of it, and I don't think it's right to get mad at the Bioware devs for giving something back. 

As to the bolded, so far no one's said otherwise (I think). Although I will say that if you are someone like {insert famous artist/cosplayer here} that you are already adored by hundreds, possibly thousands. (Believe me, I've been "the" fanfic writer in a fandom... it is like being on drugs lol). So the extra pat on the back isn't really needed, although if the author of the fandom I used to participate in had sent me a message saying he loved my fics that would have been worth all the hundreds of comments and fanart I'd gotten previously.

As to whether or not we're allowed to get mad, well, you can't control people's feelings  Personally I'm not mad anymore; I'm just at the sighing and shaking my head stage now. 

Plus I've just never quite fit into this fandom. Like the Asunder fiction contest for example. Some of the entries that won read like chapters from pulp novels. Okay, so mine wasn't great. But I got like four comments on the darn thing, something I spent days working on, and one comment even told me I didn't have enough action and shouldn't use words like "pants" lol

[littlenikki]

motomotogirl wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

I guess my overall point is that the guys and gals that got the early invitations certainly are well deserving of it, and I don't think it's right to get mad at the Bioware devs for giving something back. 

As to the bolded, so far no one's said otherwise (I think). Although I will say that if you are someone like {insert famous artist/cosplayer here} that you are already adored by hundreds, possibly thousands. (Believe me, I've been "the" fanfic writer in a fandom... it is like being on drugs lol). So the extra pat on the back isn't really needed, although if the author of the fandom I used to participate in had sent me a message saying he loved my fics that would have been worth all the hundreds of comments and fanart I'd gotten previously.

As to whether or not we're allowed to get mad, well, you can't control people's feelings  Personally I'm not mad anymore; I'm just at the sighing and shaking my head stage now. 

Plus I've just never quite fit into this fandom. Like the Asunder fiction contest for example. Some of the entries that won read like chapters from pulp novels. Okay, so mine wasn't great. But I got like four comments on the darn thing, something I spent days working on, and one comment even told me I didn't have enough action and shouldn't use words like "pants" lol

What's wrong w/ pants? Maybe that person has schleets phobia  

I'm not trying to control anyones feelings, so if that's how it sounded I apologize. Personally, I dont think it's fair to get mad at the Bioware guys for choosing YT people/cosplayers/etc for the 1st round of Keep Beta invites, but I can understand how the rest of the fanbase feels left out or hurt. I guess I'm really just playing the Devil's advocate here.

[CuriousArtemis]

littlenikki wrote...

I'm not trying to control anyones feelings, so if that's how it sounded I apologize. Personally, I dont think it's fair to get mad at the Bioware guys for choosing YT people/cosplayers/etc for the 1st round of Keep Beta invites, but I can understand how the rest of the fanbase feels left out or hurt. I guess I'm really just playing the Devil's advocate here.

Yeah, and I like to argue a little too much. Sorry  

Spring will be here before we know it, and by then I'll surely have gotten my grubby little hands on the Keep.

About the pants, I don't know. I guess I was supposed to write "breeches" or "{insert fantasy costume trope}". The fact remains that the guy was wearing pants. Oh, and they had pockets. I wrote that he put his hands in his pockets. I think they commented on that, too. What am I supposed to write, fabric holes? He slipped his hands into his fabric holes. That sufficiently "medieval" enough for you, angry fan guy??

 New Year's resolution: don't let fanfic comments get me down. Not that I really write fanfic anymore, but even so. Oh, there was this one time when I had one character who was incapacitated and was being tended to by his future love interest (real romance, smaltzy stuff, I tell ya). Well one person wrote me a long comment, telling me she was upset that I didn't address how the character went to the bathroom. Really? Really.

[littlenikki]

motomotogirl wrote...

Yeah, and I like to argue a little too much. Sorry  

Spring will be here before we know it, and by then I'll surely have gotten my grubby little hands on the Keep.

About the pants, I don't know. I guess I was supposed to write "breeches" or "{insert fantasy costume trope}". The fact remains that the guy was wearing pants. Oh, and they had pockets. I wrote that he put his hands in his pockets. I think they commented on that, too. What am I supposed to write, fabric holes? He slipped his hands into his fabric holes. That sufficiently "medieval" enough for you, angry fan guy??

 New Year's resolution: don't let fanfic comments get me down. Not that I really write fanfic anymore, but even so. Oh, there was this one time when I had one character who was incapacitated and was being tended to by his future love interest (real romance, smaltzy stuff, I tell ya). Well one person wrote me a long comment, telling me she was upset that I didn't address how the character went to the bathroom. Really? Really.

That bolded bit needs to be a thing immediately  And who wants to hear about anyone dropping a deuce? Isn't that like an unspoken rule, one of those things that you just dont discuss. Hell even toliet paper commercials dance around the subject. 

Edit: OMG I just thought of a good theme for our next thread page milestone. Awkward encounters/situations w/ Cullen and his romantic interest 

Modifié par littlenikki, 27 décembre 2013 - 04:26 .

[deuce985]

Dammit. Late Merry Xmas. Sorry I didn't drop in yesterday. =(

[Danny Boy 7]

I know a couple of writers here whom I'm sure would get invites based on their stories One is an obvious favorite of mine, the other a secret pleasure.

Hope your fiancé is feeling better and all is well Berelinde.

[Danny Boy 7]

No probs Deuce good to see ya

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motomotogirl wrote...

...
As to whether or not we're allowed to get mad, well, you can't control people's feelings  Personally I'm not mad anymore; I'm just at the sighing and shaking my head stage now. 
...

MMG – I would just like to say that what you are thinking aloud about is what I am FEELING! Like a little kid I am shouting SO UNFAIR!!! Haha! *throws temper tantrum*

I can truthfully say I am super disappointed that I didn’t get in the beta. After checking around it does seem they handpicked the first batch of testers. And yes – this feels really unfair! Feels! Probably isn’t though. But since I work with QA I understand why (though I still feel annoyed at the favoritism and mostly because I wasn’t favored - haha).

They might not need to stress test it as they would a MP game (yet). When we made focus tests on smaller samples I needed people who knew the game we developed for better and constructive feedback. It was easier/quicker to handpick the fans we knew about and knew we could trust than to go out and start searching for fans willing to test or pick from a pool of random volunteers.

Then we scaled up and stress tested. During our Beta test we constantly searched streams and YouTube for anyone breaking the NDA and banned them on the spot. So the NDA is not there for lulz, anyone who signs it needs to read and understand.

Anyway, I made the mistake to check the checkbox saying I worked for a game developer without explaining that it was EA so I won’t be able to join the beta at all. I will just comfort myself by smugly thinking about all the stuff I learnt the last couple of weeks about ze game. Can’t wait to see your reactions.

[meanieweenie]

littlenikki wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Yeah, and I like to argue a little too much. Sorry  

Spring will be here before we know it, and by then I'll surely have gotten my grubby little hands on the Keep.

About the pants, I don't know. I guess I was supposed to write "breeches" or "{insert fantasy costume trope}". The fact remains that the guy was wearing pants. Oh, and they had pockets. I wrote that he put his hands in his pockets. I think they commented on that, too. What am I supposed to write, fabric holes? He slipped his hands into his fabric holes. That sufficiently "medieval" enough for you, angry fan guy??

 New Year's resolution: don't let fanfic comments get me down. Not that I really write fanfic anymore, but even so. Oh, there was this one time when I had one character who was incapacitated and was being tended to by his future love interest (real romance, smaltzy stuff, I tell ya). Well one person wrote me a long comment, telling me she was upset that I didn't address how the character went to the bathroom. Really? Really.

That bolded bit needs to be a thing immediately  And who wants to hear about anyone dropping a deuce? Isn't that like an unspoken rule, one of those things that you just dont discuss. Hell even toliet paper commercials dance around the subject. 

Edit: OMG I just thought of a good theme for our next thread page milestone. Awkward encounters/situations w/ Cullen and his romantic interest 

LMAO... dropping a deuce. I haven't heard that in eons.

nikki's right, MMG: we need to make "fabric holes" the new chic thing. Who wants plain old pockets? I don't know how fanfic writers do it, honestly. Some of the comments people nitpick on are just ridiculous and laughable. Why does written art work seem to have a different set of critiquing rules than say a drawing or other physical medium?

My hat is off to all the fanfic writers out there. Fight the good fight! Many of us actually appreciate all of your hard work.

[berelinde]

littlenikki wrote...

berelinde wrote...

How about those who devote countless hours writing fanfic or doing fanart? If you are going to say this is based on merit, dont they deserve the same? But they will not get it.

They absolutely deserve the same, but realistically it's probably a lot harder for them to pinpoint which fanfic author/artist is connected to what email/application, compared to finding fans who put their names and faces out there on a weekly basis. I'm not trying to say one form of fan devotion is better than the other, anyone that puts their hard work and love into something that is created not only for themselves but the entire community has my respect. I guess my overall point is that the guys and gals that got the early invitations certainly are well deserving of it, and I don't think it's right to get mad at the Bioware devs for giving something back. 

I'm not mad, and never was.

But when you say things like "for giving something back," you are turning it into a reward, and that gives all the cookies to those who already have plenty. "Invite our friends to the party" is a little better because it doesn't discredit the contribution of those who work just as hard or even harder even though the only public recognition they will ever receive for it is ridicule. The knowledge that the hardworking women and men who contribute in less visible ways will get their chance to help out with the stress test (along with everybody else) isn't exactly consolation. They'll be the ones who get to contend with the dropped connections, infinite load screens, and stalled download bars. Useful? Of course! Essential, even. But less "party" and more "drudgery". But that's what they signed up for.

As I said, I'm not angry. I signed up because I wanted to help, and I had no expectations to disappoint. As the only real fanwork I participate in is a Dragon Age recipe blog with a small readership (even if it does take 8-16 hours a week to run), the only way I could theoretically have made it onto the team was if it were based solely on luck, and historically, my luck sucks.

I don't know. I guess it's just that I've got an overactive empathy gland and I'm uncomfortable on behalf of folks who already feel underappreciated.

Edit: And fiance is feeling a little better now that he is no longer feeling sluggish and vaguely sick from the anesthesia. We're going to be making the rounds to his various doctors today for follow-up. I hope the improvement in the underlying condition is dramatic enough to improve his mood. He's been living with a chronic health problem for most of his life, and the threat of blindness has been tough on him.

Modifié par berelinde, 27 décembre 2013 - 12:39 .

[R2s Muse]

motomotogirl wrote...


About the pants, I don't know. I guess I was supposed to write "breeches" or "{insert fantasy costume trope}". The fact remains that the guy was wearing pants. Oh, and they had pockets. I wrote that he put his hands in his pockets. I think they commented on that, too. What am I supposed to write, fabric holes? He slipped his hands into his fabric holes. That sufficiently "medieval" enough for you, angry fan guy??

LOL FWIW, after much writerly soul searching, I gave my DA character pockets, too. :shrug: If it breaks your suspension of disbelief then so be it, but then, it's a fantasy world that miraculously speaks English, too.

[berelinde]

Next time somebody gives you grief for bestowing pockets upon your character, I have four little words that should shut them up: "Robe of Many Pockets." You can't name something that doesn't exist.

[Jean]

I can sorta kinda get the pants thing (Alistair though does say pants in DAO fyi, just in case anyone needs a ref) but... Pockets? What else are they supposed to be? 

Modifié par Batteries, 27 décembre 2013 - 12:47 .

[R2s Muse]

For some more positivity and to turn those frowns upside down, I give you...

some Cullen.

[R2s Muse]

[R2s Muse]