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R2s Muse wrote...

For any interested authors and artists out there, the new Dragon Age Big Bang is open for signups! I did it last year and it was an awesome experience. Basically, writers write something, get matched with an artist, and the artist creates art based on the story. The details on when/how/how long are here:

http://dragonagebb.t...en-for-business

I'd do it again, except that I'm trying to finally finish a story I put on hold last time to do the DABB. So, FWIW, I recommend the experience.


WOW :o 10,000 words! Um, how many pages is that, hahaha? I would like to attempt it, but that is a heck of a committment, especially with the semester just starting up. Hmm. 

I'm thinking an AU "College of Magic" and yes it would feature Cullen, hehehe.

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Hmm, all this makes me want to write again. It's been awhile. At least a solid 6 months, maybe more. Life gets hectic, and various other excuses. lol!

*Raps takes a deep breath*

Yes, I'm going to start a new novel. Something completely fresh and new. I have some ideas already. I always write them down when they're flowing to me because I know I won't remember. I think I'll remember, but I won't.

I will do this, and eventually start making the NY literary agent rounds--again. Lol! Sometimes I feel sorry for them. They must be like, "Oh, God. Here she comes again!"

heh heh...yeah...good times.

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Oh great. Talk about real writing to make me feel guilty for thinking about delving back into fanfic writing LOL! I do vow to spend an hour every day after work working on and editing the novel. "Real" writing is so lonely though; no hordes of screaming fanfic fans pestering your inbox for the next chapter lol

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Lol!, MMG. Oh, you. Actually it was the opposite. All this talk of writing, and I still consider fanfic "real" writing cuz it's hard whatever you wanna call it, made me feel guilty!

Funny thing is, I find I'm actually more productive when life is hectic and I have limited time, than when I've got all the time in the world.

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I have wasted sooo much time over my holiday vacation. Yet, I regret nothing. I've thoroughly enjoyed piddling about doing jack-all.

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rapscallioness wrote...

All this talk of writing, and I still consider fanfic "real" writing cuz it's hard whatever you wanna call it,


Oh man, no doubt. But "real" writing, erm, that is, writing with the intent to publish using one's own characters and story, is harder to me because I really thrived off the fandom response when I did fanfic. And partly it was because of the fandom I was in (the anime "Bleach"); there were so many fans, even for just the particular couple I wrote, that I'd get like 40-50 comments/reviews after each chapter. I felt like a writing god lol

And you can't help but think, the reason they are all saying such lovely things is more because of their love of that OTP or fandom and less about your story. Especially when you recognize some of the same people praising (imo) really, really sub-par fics. 

So then the doubt seeps in, and I'm sitting down to work on my own stuff, and it's, it's hard lol

Of course with the DA fandom my stories get hardly any reviews, so there's more doubt! It's just hard coming from a "blockbuster" fandom like Bleach.

But this thing, the idea of an artist drawing a scene from your fic...!!!! That has happened to me a few times and it's the most awesome feeling in the world. As no doubt R2 knows :D

Not sure I can resist!

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I...killed the Keeper. You can let the Keeper live? I didn't know that.

The Keeper said the demon could only die if she was dead. Then she "woke up" and was a like sugar and spice and flattering Merril abt how strong she was. I was like,"....I call B.S. on this." Then it went , "RAWR!"

What is like if you don't kill the Keeper? I'm assuming you don't have the confrontation w/the Clan then?

However, if the Keeper is alive, and the Mirror still intact. That might indeed be interesting.


You can be "fooled" into think that the Keeper is safe and then Merrill questions it and kills her instead... I think. And/or, the Keeper transforms into the demon regardless, or something like that. The Keeper always dies though.

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motomotogirl wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

All this talk of writing, and I still consider fanfic "real" writing cuz it's hard whatever you wanna call it,


Oh man, no doubt. But "real" writing, erm, that is, writing with the intent to publish using one's own characters and story, is harder to me because I really thrived off the fandom response when I did fanfic. And partly it was because of the fandom I was in (the anime "Bleach"); there were so many fans, even for just the particular couple I wrote, that I'd get like 40-50 comments/reviews after each chapter. I felt like a writing god lol

And you can't help but think, the reason they are all saying such lovely things is more because of their love of that OTP or fandom and less about your story. Especially when you recognize some of the same people praising (imo) really, really sub-par fics. 

So then the doubt seeps in, and I'm sitting down to work on my own stuff, and it's, it's hard lol

Of course with the DA fandom my stories get hardly any reviews, so there's more doubt! It's just hard coming from a "blockbuster" fandom like Bleach.

But this thing, the idea of an artist drawing a scene from your fic...!!!! That has happened to me a few times and it's the most awesome feeling in the world. As no doubt R2 knows :D

Not sure I can resist!


Oh, that must be so awesome to have an artist doing work for your story. I've so often wanted that for my stories, but didn't really have the money for commission.

It also must be cool getting that feedback. It really is a loop. It feeds you as an artist. Not getting any feedback is an eerie feeling. It can make you feel like a ghost.

I know it can be hard for the devs w/the fan feedback. It can be harsh as well as flattering. But I sit there and think, wow, do you have any idea how fortunate you are that anybody gives a damn at all? Creative endeavors were meant to be shared. Having the opportunity to share your work so many ppl is......wow, something to be cherished, regardless.

It's like a work of art in whatever medium doesn't come alive until it touches another being.

Ack! That's enuf of that. :o

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LolaLei wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

I...killed the Keeper. You can let the Keeper live? I didn't know that.

The Keeper said the demon could only die if she was dead. Then she "woke up" and was a like sugar and spice and flattering Merril abt how strong she was. I was like,"....I call B.S. on this." Then it went , "RAWR!"

What is like if you don't kill the Keeper? I'm assuming you don't have the confrontation w/the Clan then?

However, if the Keeper is alive, and the Mirror still intact. That might indeed be interesting.


You can be "fooled" into think that the Keeper is safe and then Merrill questions it and kills her instead... I think. And/or, the Keeper transforms into the demon regardless, or something like that. The Keeper always dies though.


Ah, okay.

#70085
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rapscallioness wrote...

It's like a work of art in whatever medium doesn't come alive until it touches another being.


*nods* I agree 100%! For me it's the art of storytelling, and knowing there's someone listening. But, of course, every artist is different and has a unique relationship with his/her art.

OT: HODA players -- is the Sebastian challenge over??? I must have played that challenge 50 times and did not get him :( Also, WHERE are these challenge drops announced? When I start my game on the iPad, I get the beginning animation of the girl flipping through the book, then the qunari on the page moves, yadda yadda. Finally, I'm at the loading screen. After loading finishes, a message pops up, usually about whatever new "pack" is for sell. Bleh. And that's it.

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But this thing, the idea of an artist drawing a scene from your fic...!!!! That has happened to me a few times and it's the most awesome feeling in the world. As no doubt R2 knows :D

Not sure I can resist!

If it sounds like fun, then go for it! 10,000 words actually isn't too hard. For me, that's like  3or 4 chapters, since I eerily tend to hit abt 3700 words a chapter.  MMG, you're a great writer, and DABB is also a nice way to engage the fandom and get more exposure. And you get to see art about your word babies! Win, win, win!

(edit: FWIW, I guess I did the longer version last year, so 31,000 words, 12pt, 1.5x line spacing, exactly 100 pages. In case that remotely helps. :D)

Modifié par R2s Muse, 13 janvier 2014 - 01:54 .


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R2s Muse wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

But this thing, the idea of an artist drawing a scene from your fic...!!!! That has happened to me a few times and it's the most awesome feeling in the world. As no doubt R2 knows :D

Not sure I can resist!

If it sounds like fun, then go for it! 10,000 words actually isn't too hard. For me, that's like  3or 4 chapters, since I eerily tend to hit abt 3700 words a chapter.  MMG, you're a great writer, and DABB is also a nice way to engage the fandom and get more exposure. And you get to see art about your word babies! Win, win, win!

(edit: FWIW, I guess I did the longer version last year, so 31,000 words, 12pt, 1.5x line spacing, exactly 100 pages. In case that remotely helps. :D)

I don't write but I absolutely encourage you all to do so because I'm selfish and like to read a lot of the entries. Extra points if I 'know' the authors. I appreciate you guys! Image IPB

#70088
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reposting this gem. and yes, i am digging thru the archives....edit: and lmao! I went someplace weird in the bsn. i tried to repost this and i posted it on the cullen fan thread from 3 years ago, i think. it was like walking into a totally empty banquet hall w/arms full of food. and sum guy says, "uh, the cullen party's 2 doors over."

R2s Muse wrote...

OMG, Avilia - that is HILarious. It reminds me a bit of this from StellaSmooth:
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So impressed with Greg Ellis singing voice.. but might be scared if I actually heard him rapping. Not sure I realized he had a full-on musical theatre background, though. Wowza.



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and this image, is this right before Meredith goes nutso? the Cullen's face is heartbreaking.


http://img-fotki.yan...1bb_a0d731f8_XL

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sheesh, if you played a mage hawke, i'm sure they prolly thought it was sum kinda mage plot to destroy Meredith.

and if pro-templar, a plot to take power.

that seems to be the word on the streets anyway if Cass is to believed. that you did this stuff on purpose.

but that look on Cullen's face. so sad. having his doubts and fears confirmed. watching a mentor and maybe a friend abt to go batshyte insane. knowing that you'll be the one that has to cut her down.

Well, he didn't do it by himself. lol! we actually got to go into battle w/cullen twice.

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I missed this article on the romances, I guess.   gamerant.com/dragon-age-inquisition-romance-details/

It's an article from Aug. 29, 2013. It seems to be quoting a Game Informer article. I guess during that big splash GI did. Somehow I don't remember this part, though.

Well, if you're like me, here's the article again-ish. (sum clips below)

"...development team is placing more emphasis than ever on player freedom. Love interests are certainly included, but as the lead writer and director make clear, Inquisition
will be a new chance for the team to get relationships right, and make
something truly groundbreaking
out of what some feel is a disguised (and
occasionally offensive) game mechanic."



"It’s that goal which seems to be bringing the most changes to Inquisition‘s follower relationships: in both Origins and Dragon Age 2,
characters whom the player had made little effort to grow fond of had
their respective content locked off. Since the sliding scale of approval
often lumped romance and friendship together into the same blurred
system, the results were… less than natural.
The team’s solution is a clever one, but an incredibly large
challenge. By building content to be “event-driven” instead of
approval-driven
, the writers allow approval to merely inform the tone of
the conversation that would take place regardless. Creative director
Mike Laidlaw explains:

They’re like, ‘Yes, you’ve chosen a thing that I
disagree with, but we’re good friends… So that’s going to change the
color and tone of [those interactions], so [they're] more nuanced. I
think that’s going to take them beyond what’s been done in the past.
“In my ideal scenario, your interaction with the character isn’t just
about having interacted with them; it’s about your interaction with
them in relation to the whole game that you’ve chosen to play. So if you
make really sweeping decisions in other parts of the game, that may
actually change the nature of those interactions.”



#70092
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It sounds a bit like the Rivalry/Friendship system...although....if Approval affects the tone of the conversation, then Approval/Disapproval is back.

Then the "event driven" thing. sounds like your behavior in the world, but I'm not sure from the article how that affects romance possibility. It seems no gift stuff, but more based on who you are and what you do. If the LI finds that attractive--after friendship is established--then it would go to romance if you choose?

What I'm getting is no gift stuff ( i do hope they have one, or two just cuz I like giving something special to friends on occasion). I wonder if the heart icon is gone? I'd be okay with that.

I'm not a huge fan of the heart icon. I think mainly because it takes sum of the tension away. The surprise--lol!which is prolly why they did it. A big sign saying, "This path leads to romance!"

It just felt weird and abrupt and outta context usually. It felt like alot, or rather too much, at once. The lines felt a bit....slimey. A bit Leisure Suit Larry. Hit them over the head w/the "romance".

Although, the lines didn't feel very romantic. They felt like pick up lines in a bar. Not the kinda thing you would say to someone that you're discovering you're having real feelings for. Just someone you wanna hit it with.

I like the discovery of romantic feelings. But that's just me.

Goodnight all! Muah! :)

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Or maybe that was my dominant tone Sarcastic Hawke that always came off like leisure suit larry? haha! Well, then I'm glad that dom. tone is def gone.

But even that one line w/Hawke and Anders , "I want us together forever! Until the daaay weee diiiieee!" eee. omg. it's just so very very. perhaps that was the voice acting, but i lol everytime.

okay, i'm done for real >_>

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Mahumia wrote...

I usually get into full rivalry with Meril... Been a friend once, and helped her with the mirror, but it just felt wrong... Even though I want to be friendly to her... meh.


I would only be able to help Merrill with the mirror in a playthrough where Hawke didn't care about her at all. My Hawke did care about her... and thus wasn't willing to watch her self-destruct, so she took a very "tough love" stance. Got to full rivalry, but she truly felt she'd protected Merrill as much as she possibly could.

What I'm getting is no gift stuff ( i do hope they have one, or two just cuz I like giving something special to friends on occasion). I wonder if the heart icon is gone? I'd be okay with that.

Haha I need the heart icon! :P

Without it I find I have trouble telling (especially with the paraphrasing in DA2) what's supposed to be neutral comments from a supportive friend and what's supposed to be flirtation, because that's so reliant on tone. My Hawke would have accidentally flirted with Aveline repeatedly, and I would have taken the comment that Anders needed a safe place to be real estate advice rather than a proposition. ;)

I'm fine with gifts being gone, though. It's fun to give a follower something special that has real meaning for them, but for me it got kind of silly in Origins - they didn't really care what else I did as long as I loaded them down with enough random crap. I don't really like being able to buy followers' affections back if you've offended or hurt them - it makes them seem shallow and unrealistic.


I do wonder how the player will indicate what character they'd like to romance, though. It'll be interesting to see. I assume there will have to be some dialog in addition to events.

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rapscallioness wrote...

Or maybe that was my dominant tone Sarcastic Hawke that always came off like leisure suit larry? haha! Well, then I'm glad that dom. tone is def gone.

But even that one line w/Hawke and Anders , "I want us together forever! Until the daaay weee diiiieee!" eee. omg. it's just so very very. perhaps that was the voice acting, but i lol everytime.

okay, i'm done for real >_>


I freakin' love sarcastic Hawke. That one line, though was just... I love the Bioware writers, don't get me wrong, but I try to forget that one line exists because um... yeah.... :lol:

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TreeHuggerHannah wrote...

Mahumia wrote...

I usually get into full rivalry with Meril... Been a friend once, and helped her with the mirror, but it just felt wrong... Even though I want to be friendly to her... meh.


I would only be able to help Merrill with the mirror in a playthrough where Hawke didn't care about her at all. My Hawke did care about her... and thus wasn't willing to watch her self-destruct, so she took a very "tough love" stance. Got to full rivalry, but she truly felt she'd protected Merrill as much as she possibly could.

What I'm getting is no gift stuff ( i do hope they have one, or two just cuz I like giving something special to friends on occasion). I wonder if the heart icon is gone? I'd be okay with that.

Haha I need the heart icon! :P

Without it I find I have trouble telling (especially with the paraphrasing in DA2) what's supposed to be neutral comments from a supportive friend and what's supposed to be flirtation, because that's so reliant on tone. My Hawke would have accidentally flirted with Aveline repeatedly, and I would have taken the comment that Anders needed a safe place to be real estate advice rather than a proposition. ;)

I'm fine with gifts being gone, though. It's fun to give a follower something special that has real meaning for them, but for me it got kind of silly in Origins - they didn't really care what else I did as long as I loaded them down with enough random crap. I don't really like being able to buy followers' affections back if you've offended or hurt them - it makes them seem shallow and unrealistic.


I do wonder how the player will indicate what character they'd like to romance, though. It'll be interesting to see. I assume there will have to be some dialog in addition to events.


My Hawke friendship'ed her and he definitely cared about her. He just trusted her to know about her own heritage and culture and magic, and wasn't about to act like he knew better than her about something he knew nothing about. Especially when it involves lore and history the elves have lost, and that he has no right to comment on as a human. That'd just come across as arrogant and condescending in his mind.

I'm not saying the rival path is bad, mind. I have a Hawke who rivalled her as well. I just don't think the friendship path is wrong, either. Even if it does lead to things going to hell with the mirror. :lol:

I do have issues with how the rivalry path was handled and how it personally affects her, though. After doing her friendship path, I cringe at how her confidence, sense of self-worth, and her confidence in her own decision making abilities crumbles to absolute DUST in the rivalry path. Why can't we tell her no the mirror is not okay without completely bludgening her self-worth? :?

Actually, after doing friendship paths, I cringe at how all the rival paths were handled. There's a difference between disagreeing with a friend and being a jerk/tearing their self-worth and independance apart. The rival paths have some good points to them, but there are times where it definitely doesn't feel like "we're friends and I care about you, but I can't agree with this." 

On gifts: I hope they keep to the kind of gifts that were in DAII. Meaningful gifts that actually lead to a cut scene!

I wouldn't mind gifts from the companions/love interest being back, either. I miss Alistair's rose... :lol:

Modifié par Dirgegun, 13 janvier 2014 - 09:19 .


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rapscallioness wrote...

It sounds a bit like the Rivalry/Friendship system...although....if Approval affects the tone of the conversation, then Approval/Disapproval is back.

Then the "event driven" thing. sounds like your behavior in the world, but I'm not sure from the article how that affects romance possibility. It seems no gift stuff, but more based on who you are and what you do. If the LI finds that attractive--after friendship is established--then it would go to romance if you choose?

What I'm getting is no gift stuff ( i do hope they have one, or two just cuz I like giving something special to friends on occasion). I wonder if the heart icon is gone? I'd be okay with that.

I'm not a huge fan of the heart icon. I think mainly because it takes sum of the tension away. The surprise--lol!which is prolly why they did it. A big sign saying, "This path leads to romance!"

It just felt weird and abrupt and outta context usually. It felt like alot, or rather too much, at once. The lines felt a bit....slimey. A bit Leisure Suit Larry. Hit them over the head w/the "romance".

Although, the lines didn't feel very romantic. They felt like pick up lines in a bar. Not the kinda thing you would say to someone that you're discovering you're having real feelings for. Just someone you wanna hit it with.

I like the discovery of romantic feelings. But that's just me.

Goodnight all! Muah! :)


I like the sound of that! I'm sure we'll be able to give the companions and LI some sort of gift, but maybe it just won't effect the "friendship/romance" scale? I hope they give us a gift, poor Hawke got nothing but fed-ex quests, LOL! :lol:

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Dirgegun wrote...

TreeHuggerHannah wrote...

Mahumia wrote...

I usually get into full rivalry with Meril... Been a friend once, and helped her with the mirror, but it just felt wrong... Even though I want to be friendly to her... meh.


I would only be able to help Merrill with the mirror in a playthrough where Hawke didn't care about her at all. My Hawke did care about her... and thus wasn't willing to watch her self-destruct, so she took a very "tough love" stance. Got to full rivalry, but she truly felt she'd protected Merrill as much as she possibly could.

What I'm getting is no gift stuff ( i do hope they have one, or two just cuz I like giving something special to friends on occasion). I wonder if the heart icon is gone? I'd be okay with that.

Haha I need the heart icon! :P

Without it I find I have trouble telling (especially with the paraphrasing in DA2) what's supposed to be neutral comments from a supportive friend and what's supposed to be flirtation, because that's so reliant on tone. My Hawke would have accidentally flirted with Aveline repeatedly, and I would have taken the comment that Anders needed a safe place to be real estate advice rather than a proposition. ;)

I'm fine with gifts being gone, though. It's fun to give a follower something special that has real meaning for them, but for me it got kind of silly in Origins - they didn't really care what else I did as long as I loaded them down with enough random crap. I don't really like being able to buy followers' affections back if you've offended or hurt them - it makes them seem shallow and unrealistic.


I do wonder how the player will indicate what character they'd like to romance, though. It'll be interesting to see. I assume there will have to be some dialog in addition to events.


My Hawke friendship'ed her and he definitely cared about her. He just trusted her to know about her own heritage and culture and magic, and wasn't about to act like he knew better than her about something he knew nothing about. Especially when it involves lore and history the elves have lost, and that he has no right to comment on as a human. That'd just come across as arrogant and condescending in his mind.

I'm not saying the rival path is bad, mind. I have a Hawke who rivalled her as well. I just don't think the friendship path is wrong, either. Even if it does lead to things going to hell with the mirror. :lol:

I do have issues with how the rivalry path was handled and how it personally affects her, though. After doing her friendship path, I cringe at how her confidence, sense of self-worth, and her confidence in her own decision making abilities crumbles to absolute DUST in the rivalry path. Why can't we tell her no the mirror is not okay without completely bludgening her self-worth? :?

Actually, after doing friendship paths, I cringe at how all the rival paths were handled. There's a difference between disagreeing with a friend and being a jerk/tearing their self-worth and independance apart. The rival paths have some good points to them, but there are times where it definitely doesn't feel like "we're friends and I care about you, but I can't agree with this." 

On gifts: I hope they keep to the kind of gifts that were in DAII. Meaningful gifts that actually lead to a cut scene!

I wouldn't mind gifts from the companions/love interest being back, either. I miss Alistair's rose... :lol:


Agreed, Merrill totally freaked out and called me a Shem the one time I told her that the mirror was a bad idea, and I was really nice about it and was just worried that she'd end up getting herself killed. That was the problem with DA2's friendship/rivalry system, if you didn't agree with their methods they'd assume that you were just a mean person that didn't care about them... although they still wanted a piece of Hawke's sweet ass, which was kinda weird in some cases. LOL! :lol:

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motomotogirl wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

It's like a work of art in whatever medium doesn't come alive until it touches another being.


*nods* I agree 100%! For me it's the art of storytelling, and knowing there's someone listening. But, of course, every artist is different and has a unique relationship with his/her art.

OT: HODA players -- is the Sebastian challenge over??? I must have played that challenge 50 times and did not get him :( Also, WHERE are these challenge drops announced? When I start my game on the iPad, I get the beginning animation of the girl flipping through the book, then the qunari on the page moves, yadda yadda. Finally, I'm at the loading screen. After loading finishes, a message pops up, usually about whatever new "pack" is for sell. Bleh. And that's it.

I did not get Seb either... actually, I've never found any of the event drops <_< on android I don't get such a fancy login screen, but announcements should pop up immediatly after logging in. I say 'should', cause for me it does not work properly. I tend to flip through the maps to see if there is an event, and check the forum to see what could be dropping.

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Maaaaaan, I'm feeling really impatient for DAI news again, lol... and I was doing so well!

I think it's because I know there's info coming up, since they keep saying things like "in a few weeks", but a few weeks could be anything from 3 weeks to 2+ months! Still, it's Sprint Review Day today, so maybe they'll hint at something or post up some more concept art, if we're lucky.