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[CuriousArtemis]

Dirgegun wrote...

..I... I think that means my male human rogue will be a Type B tsundere.  

Male tsundere are a favorite of mine! 

[meanieweenie]

motomotogirl wrote...

I think what meanie means to say is simply...


Been dying to use that one.

I need this fountain in my yard immediately!

[Dirgegun]

motomotogirl wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

..I... I think that means my male human rogue will be a Type B tsundere.  

Male tsundere are a favorite of mine! 

Yesssss! I love me some male tsunderes. >w>

Modifié par Dirgegun, 23 janvier 2014 - 04:27 .

[berelinde]

Rainbow gas and a squirting bosom. That's why I love this thread!

@brush, that's a good question. Like you, I'm thinking that there isn't only one good fit for Cullen. The character I, personally, might be inclined to ship with him depends a lot on the relationship mechanics they use this time around.

If they include elements of the DA2 relationship system where you can disagree without destroying any chance of a romance, I might want to try somebody with a bit of a wild streak. They'd have to respect him and his opinions, obviously, because if you haven't got that, you don't have a relationship at all, but it might be fun to challenge his views. Not change them. Just make him think about why he feels the way he does about things.

If they go with the DAO flat-out approval model, I'm not sure. Yes, I'm probably going to run a principled, devout character at some point, so I suppose that would work, but I kinda like a little bit of friction sometimes. At least when it comes to games. RL, not so much.

Now, if Cassandra is a LI, I really, really want there to be some kind of rivalry mechanic. Maybe it was the VA in DA2, but she was amazing when she was angry. I'm afraid that I just might go out of my way to tick her off just to watch her go bananas over it.

[brushyourteeth]

I had to google tsundere, but now I feel richer for having learned it, so thanks Dirgegun!

I think I'm having a hard time pegging exactly what type of person Cullen would be made most happy with, which is shameful because it's my own question. XD

But if nothing else, over and above everything, I think Cullen needs someone with a sense of humor. Or at the very least, someone for whom the world is still sunny and full of possibilities. Not naive, exactly. But someone that either hasn't been so deeply touched by tragedy that they're made cynical, or someone who's been able to recover from loss and horror in such a way that he or she is able to enjoy every day as it comes (within reason, of course)

Cullen's had some serious trauma and lives for his sense of duty. He's in this job that punishes you daily with paranoia and you watch your brothers and your charges fall to temptation and the worst the humanity has to offer the world. If that isn't enough, you have this addiction to deal with, and you know that you'll likely end up a gibbering shell of your former self before the end. And all the while, the Maker is silent to your prayers.

So hey, Cullen needs someone who will give him a reason to smile. Someone who is (at least at the end -- like a tsundere!) warm, and... basically just a soft, safe place to land. A haven.

[Dirgegun]

I would suggest looking it up on TVtropes for the best explanation, but TVtropes will eat your soul for hours on end...  

Modifié par Dirgegun, 23 janvier 2014 - 04:37 .

[brushyourteeth]

berelinde wrote...

Rainbow gas and a squirting bosom. That's why I love this thread!

@brush, that's a good question. Like you, I'm thinking that there isn't only one good fit for Cullen. The character I, personally, might be inclined to ship with him depends a lot on the relationship mechanics they use this time around.

If they include elements of the DA2 relationship system where you can disagree without destroying any chance of a romance, I might want to try somebody with a bit of a wild streak. They'd have to respect him and his opinions, obviously, because if you haven't got that, you don't have a relationship at all, but it might be fun to challenge his views. Not change them. Just make him think about why he feels the way he does about things.

If they go with the DAO flat-out approval model, I'm not sure. Yes, I'm probably going to run a principled, devout character at some point, so I suppose that would work, but I kinda like a little bit of friction sometimes. At least when it comes to games. RL, not so much.

*snip*

I love this!!  (and you know we're going to replay that romance from every angle if given the chance) ;D

DG's said in the past (and they may backtrack on this, so who knows) that they're going back to the approval model for DA:I.  But that doesn't mean that we can't express disagreement with a companion on their major issues without breaking the relationship -- in theory, anyway. We can always make that part of their relationship arc and make up for those missing approval points later. Hopefully not just with gift spam, though. :/

I'm with you that this sounds like something I need to try.

I'd especially like to push the "Why even be loyal to the Chantry at this point?" issue, if that's even an option. Because there's obviously some deep corruption there, and they do *not* take adequate care of their Templars, imo. Cullen could do a lot more as a rogue agent if he were motivated to.

[CuriousArtemis]

brushyourteeth wrote...

I had to google tsundere, but now I feel richer for having learned it, so thanks Dirgegun!

Fenris is definitely a tsundere, if that helps any. I think Morrigan might be, too, assuming she softens up during the romance.

A tsundere is a cold and cynical jerk at first, but once you get to know them, in private, they are soft as pudding <3

[brushyourteeth]

motomotogirl wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

I had to google tsundere, but now I feel richer for having learned it, so thanks Dirgegun!

Fenris is definitely a tsundere, if that helps any. I think Morrigan might be, too, assuming she softens up during the romance.

A tsundere is a cold and cynical jerk at first, but once you get to know them, in private, they are soft as pudding <3

This just has me hearing Leliana's banter about the kitten with Sten in my head.

"Softyyyyy!!!"  

[Dirgegun]

Type A (alias Type Tsun or "harsh"): These Tsundere have tsuntsun as their default mood. It takes someone special to trigger their deredere side. The intensity of the tsuntsun can range from "I must glare and fight my way through life" (Louise of The Familiar of Zero) to grumpy pessimism (Kagami of Lucky Star). It's about which part of the tsundere personality is the public face and which the hidden. If the Tsundere is The Rival, she is more likely to be Type A. Helping a rival out is usually accompanied by a line like "Don't get me wrong, I'm not doing this for you." 

Type A can overlap with a Jerk with a Heart of Gold, but usually not. The moods of a Tsundere tend to switch in reaction to the actions of select people or adverse scenarios; the deredere side usually only comes out when someone has acted in a way to trigger it. A Jerk with a Heart of Gold is jerkish in general regardless of whether the other person is mean or nice, and shows their Hidden Heart of Gold only when the situation warrants, regardless of how the other person had been acting. Male characters in particular should be considered for Jerk with a Heart of Gold status, as arguably because of Double Standards, men are generally that instead of tsundere, although the kuudere subtype is more equally split in gender. Oranyan is sometimes used to refer to a male tsundere character - incorrectly since it means the complete opposite.

Type B (alias Type Dere or "sweet"): These Tsundere have deredere as their default mood. They are sweet, kind and generous, but just happen to have a hidden violent side as well. In this case, temper is almost always triggered by someone or something else, usually a Love Interest. Either they have Belligerent Sexual Tension, are an Accidental Pervert, or just have no idea how to handle feelings of love and attraction. May also overlap with Violently Protective Girlfriend if her Love Interest is threatened or in danger. 

Type B should not be confused with a Yandere. If a Type B Tsundere were really convinced that their Love Interest didn't want them, they would revert back to the deredere side and probably enter an I Want My Beloved to Be Happy phase, while Yanderes are Not Good With Rejection at all and have been known to get downright murderous under such circumstances.

From TVtropes. 

Edit: the whole 'violence' thing makes the tsundere trope sound really bad, but that's taking it to it's extreme. Most tsunderes are just jerks at first or, in the case of Type B, turn into awkward jerky babes when dealing with their emotions of 'oh crap I like this person'. 

Modifié par Dirgegun, 23 janvier 2014 - 04:48 .

[CuriousArtemis]

brushyourteeth wrote...

This just has me hearing Leliana's banter about the kitten with Sten in my head.

"Softyyyyy!!!"  

Oh, good one! Yes I think Sten would also qualify, from the cookie comment alone LOL

[Dirgegun]

motomotogirl wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

This just has me hearing Leliana's banter about the kitten with Sten in my head.

"Softyyyyy!!!"  

Oh, good one! Yes I think Sten would also qualify, from the cookie comment alone LOL

I really hope the protagonist gets to tease his/her companions like that this time around. I was so jealous when my Warden couldn't tease like Leliana did and when Hawke couldn't tease quite like Varric and Isabela could at times.  

[brushyourteeth]

That was full of so much unfamiliar Japanese that my head is spinning.

But what really intrigues me is this (so I'd love to hear some thoughts on it from Dirgegun and mmg!):

Cullen is hypothetically with a tsundere (gender probably isn't super important to this question but roll with whatever you're thinking here). So, if Cullen's LI starts out chilly, how does the romance initially blossom? Is Cullen the warm and amorous pursuer here? Does he just find their cold exterior and possibly opposite point of view intriguing? Are they arguing one minute and making out suddenly the next?

I'd just really like to hear how this plays out in your scenarios! Because admittedly, I imagine Cullen as a bit of a tsundere -- at least insomuch as he's all "OMG duty and I can't" (especially if you're romancing him as a mage).

[Dirgegun]

brushyourteeth wrote...

That was full of so much unfamiliar Japanese that my head is spinning.

But what really intrigues me is this (so I'd love to hear some thoughts on it from Dirgegun and mmg!):

Cullen is hypothetically with a tsundere (gender probably isn't super important to this question but roll with whatever you're thinking here). So, if Cullen's LI starts out chilly, how does the romance initially blossom? Is Cullen the warm and amorous pursuer here? Does he just find their cold exterior and possibly opposite point of view intriguing? Are they arguing one minute and making out suddenly the next?

I'd just really like to hear how this plays out in your scenarios! Because admittedly, I imagine Cullen as a bit of a tsundere -- at least insomuch as he's all "OMG duty and I can't" (especially if you're romancing him as a mage).

Am I allowed to say all of the above? 

I could see it being a bit like Fenris? I mean he DID flirt with Hawke, even though he was also a bit aloof. At least when it comes to game mechanics, seeing I imagine our characters will be the one pursuing Cullen? Tsundere's can pursue! 

At the same time, I could see Cullen taking over the pursuing once attraction on both sides has been established and he's come to terms with it. 

*scratches chin thoughtfully* 

(and I'm sorry for getting all anime on everyone! )

[Potato Cat]

meanieweenie wrote...

There's a lot of weird vibes going on in here lately... like we've all got cabin fever and have gotten to the point where we're secretly deciding who we're going to eat first when the food runs out. LOL

We do that at our school as an icebreaker. We call it the cannibal game. Usually it very quickly becomes 'I would eat Laura because I like her socks'. So yeah, main motivator for cannibalism? No, not sexual urges. Petty thievery. 

[LolaLei]

Presuming his personality and life is how we think it is, I'd pair Cullen with a protagonist that has some experience being out in the world, one that's travelled around a little and experienced different countries/cultures and is open minded to the way others live their life. Since Cullen has spent the best part of his life within the Chantry system and Templar Order, and (judging by some of his previous comments) he can be a bit flippant based solely on what the Order/Chantry teaches them and the little he's seen from races like the Qunari etc, so someone that's open minded would (hopefully) help give him a better perspective in general.

I definitely feel that he needs someone that has a free spirited approach to life (and a bit of a wild streak, like Berelinde said), with a good sense of humor whilst still being sensitive and respectful to Cullen's situation and his trumatic past, because the poor boy definitely needs someone who can sympathise with him, but also help take his mind off all the sh!t. I think having someone that is a bit spontaneous would be beneficial to him, as it would encourage him to lighten up a little on the strict routines and strict rules that's (presumably) ruled over his life for so long. I get the impression that he likes strong women/men (based on the Surana/Amell thing), not nessicarily in strength, but in perhaps achievement and strength against adversity, so by default (if Cullen is romanceable) the Inquisitor's baseline traits and overall objective will be potentially attractive to him (well, that and I don't like playing meek wall-flower characters so she/he's gonna be a strong character and he's just gonna have to deal with it! )

Above all else, I think Cullen needs someone that will show him unconditional love and affection, but is willing and able to challenge his actions and way of thinking if he's being an arse. Maker knows that man needs a bit of happiness in his crappy life!

Modifié par LolaLei, 23 janvier 2014 - 05:16 .

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

But if nothing else, over and above everything, I think Cullen needs someone with a sense of humor. Or at the very least, someone for whom the world is still sunny and full of possibilities. Not naive, exactly. But someone that either hasn't been so deeply touched by tragedy that they're made cynical, or someone who's been able to recover from loss and horror in such a way that he or she is able to enjoy every day as it comes (within reason, of course)

Cullen's had some serious trauma and lives for his sense of duty. He's in this job that punishes you daily with paranoia and you watch your brothers and your charges fall to temptation and the worst the humanity has to offer the world. If that isn't enough, you have this addiction to deal with, and you know that you'll likely end up a gibbering shell of your former self before the end. And all the while, the Maker is silent to your prayers.

So hey, Cullen needs someone who will give him a reason to smile. Someone who is (at least at the end -- like a tsundere!) warm, and... basically just a soft, safe place to land. A haven.

sorry I don't have time for a more thoughtful answer of my own (actually trying to concentrate on work for once today). But brush, this is very similar to a current character I'm writing that I think particularly suits the betrayed and bitter version of Cullen in my story. She helps him lighten up and he helps her find faith through some similarly bad experiences of her own. So far it's kinda neat. 

[Ser Alicia]

LolaLei wrote...

Presuming his personality and life is how we think it is, I'd pair Cullen with a protagonist that has some experience being out in the world, one that's travelled around a little and experienced different countries/cultures and is open minded to the way others live their life. Since Cullen has spent the best part of his life within the Chantry system and Templar Order, and (judging by some of his previous comments) he can be a bit flippant based solely on what the Order/Chantry teaches them and the little he's seen from races like the Qunari etc, so someone that's open minded would (hopefully) help give him a better perspective in general.

I definitely feel that he needs someone that has a free spirited approach to life (and a bit of a wild streak, like Berelinde said), with a good sense of humor whilst still being sensitive and respectful to Cullen's situation and his trumatic past, because the poor boy definitely needs someone who can sympathise with him, but also help take his mind off all the sh!t. I think having someone that is a bit spontaneous would be beneficial to him, as it would encourage him to lighten up a little on the strict routines and strict rules that's (presumably) ruled over his life for so long. I get the impression that he likes strong women/men (based on the Surana/Amell thing), not nessicarily in strength, but in perhaps achievement and strength against adversity, so by default (if Cullen is romanceable) the Inquisitor's baseline traits and overall objective will be potentially attractive to him (well, that and I don't like playing meek wall-flower characters so she/he's gonna be a strong character and he's just gonna have to deal with it! )

Above all else, I think Cullen needs someone that will show him unconditional love and affection, but is willing and able to challenge his actions and way of thinking if he's being an arse. Maker knows that man needs a bit of happiness in his crappy life!

I was just about to write something exactly like that! 

He needs someone who is kind and respectful, humorous and lighthearted, strong and loyal, and loving and affectionate. Man or woman, doesn't matter. That would be his perfect match. (And I was actually planning on making this my Inquisitor's personality even before thinking of this, so I'm happy to know my Inquizzy is perfect for him <3)

Modifié par TheBioticAssassin, 23 janvier 2014 - 05:26 .

[LolaLei]

Taking a look at everyone's answers to brush's question, I think it's actually a good thing that the Inquisitor won't be getting the default diplomatic/sarcastic/aggressive personality like Hawke had, because with a character like Cullen AND based on the main storyline in general I think we're gonna need to be able to switch up our tones and reactions at will.
... Probably wouldn't work out so good if our beloved Cullen's entire belief system has just got torn apart, his former brothers and sisters in arms have turned to "the dark side", the Divine just turned into an abomination and tried to eat him, all whilst suffering lyrium withdrawal and our Inquisitor reply is:

"You think you got it bad? This morning Varric ate the last piece of pie I was saving and the dog chewed a hole in my socks hur hur!" 

[LolaLei]

TheBioticAssassin wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Presuming his personality and life is how we think it is, I'd pair Cullen with a protagonist that has some experience being out in the world, one that's travelled around a little and experienced different countries/cultures and is open minded to the way others live their life. Since Cullen has spent the best part of his life within the Chantry system and Templar Order, and (judging by some of his previous comments) he can be a bit flippant based solely on what the Order/Chantry teaches them and the little he's seen from races like the Qunari etc, so someone that's open minded would (hopefully) help give him a better perspective in general.

I definitely feel that he needs someone that has a free spirited approach to life (and a bit of a wild streak, like Berelinde said), with a good sense of humor whilst still being sensitive and respectful to Cullen's situation and his trumatic past, because the poor boy definitely needs someone who can sympathise with him, but also help take his mind off all the sh!t. I think having someone that is a bit spontaneous would be beneficial to him, as it would encourage him to lighten up a little on the strict routines and strict rules that's (presumably) ruled over his life for so long. I get the impression that he likes strong women/men (based on the Surana/Amell thing), not nessicarily in strength, but in perhaps achievement and strength against adversity, so by default (if Cullen is romanceable) the Inquisitor's baseline traits and overall objective will be potentially attractive to him (well, that and I don't like playing meek wall-flower characters so she/he's gonna be a strong character and he's just gonna have to deal with it! )

Above all else, I think Cullen needs someone that will show him unconditional love and affection, but is willing and able to challenge his actions and way of thinking if he's being an arse. Maker knows that man needs a bit of happiness in his crappy life!

I was just about to write something exactly like that! 

He needs someone who is kind and respectful, humorous and lighthearted, strong and loyal, and loving and affectionate. Man or woman, doesn't matter. That would be his perfect match. (And I was actually planning on making this my Inquisitor's personality even before thinking of this, so I'm happy to know my Inquizzy is perfect for him <3)

LOL, great minds! That's how I was planning to play mine... or at least the final canon one anyway, my first Inquisitor could either end up doing amazingly well with him, or deeply offending him since I'll be playing as myself and picking choices and dialogue options that I'd use in that given situation. 

[CuriousArtemis]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Cullen is hypothetically with a tsundere (gender probably isn't super important to this question but roll with whatever you're thinking here). So, if Cullen's LI starts out chilly, how does the romance initially blossom? Is Cullen the warm and amorous pursuer here? Does he just find their cold exterior and possibly opposite point of view intriguing? Are they arguing one minute and making out suddenly the next?

I'd just really like to hear how this plays out in your scenarios! Because admittedly, I imagine Cullen as a bit of a tsundere -- at least insomuch as he's all "OMG duty and I can't" (especially if you're romancing him as a mage).

Firstly, I don't think Cullen is a tsundere, because the tsundere is usually a jerk on the surface, or at least rather cold. Cullen is always pretty warm and friendly, if a little too polite. Is there a "noble prince" personality? Cause that's very Cullen. 

Cullen with at tsundere, well, THANKS FOR ASKING, because I am headcanoning that as my main DA:I romance  Actually, I'm not sure how it will play out, because both are reluctant to admit their feelings. I am thinking they would have to express the truth through their actions. One saving the other from some dire event... it's the heat of the moment... they look at each other, relieved... BOOM, KISS!!!

Somehow I just morphed into a 12 year old girl, ah well :innocent:

I want to respond to some other posts but I have to dash off to yoga 

Modifié par motomotogirl, 23 janvier 2014 - 05:42 .

[Potato Cat]

LolaLei wrote...

Taking a look at everyone's answers to brush's question, I think it's actually a good thing that the Inquisitor won't be getting the default diplomatic/sarcastic/aggressive personality like Hawke had, because with a character like Cullen AND based on the main storyline in general I think we're gonna need to be able to switch up our tones and reactions at will.
... Probably wouldn't work out so good if our beloved Cullen's entire belief system has just got torn apart, his former brothers and sisters in arms have turned to "the dark side", the Divine just turned into an abomination and tried to eat him, all whilst suffering lyrium withdrawal and our Inquisitor reply is:

"You think you got it bad? This morning Varric ate the last piece of pie I was saving and the dog chewed a hole in my socks hur hur!" 

I want my character to have Anya levels of inappropriateness and bluntness so while that's not quite the response I want, she will say something just as bad, (if I have my way).  

[LolaLei]

Elfman wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Taking a look at everyone's answers to brush's question, I think it's actually a good thing that the Inquisitor won't be getting the default diplomatic/sarcastic/aggressive personality like Hawke had, because with a character like Cullen AND based on the main storyline in general I think we're gonna need to be able to switch up our tones and reactions at will.
... Probably wouldn't work out so good if our beloved Cullen's entire belief system has just got torn apart, his former brothers and sisters in arms have turned to "the dark side", the Divine just turned into an abomination and tried to eat him, all whilst suffering lyrium withdrawal and our Inquisitor reply is:

"You think you got it bad? This morning Varric ate the last piece of pie I was saving and the dog chewed a hole in my socks hur hur!" 

I want my character to have Anya levels of inappropriateness and bluntness so while that's not quite the response I want, she will say something just as bad, (if I have my way).  

I definitely hope we do get to say some really inappropriate things, Isabela and Varric got all the best lines!

[Ser Alicia]

LolaLei wrote...

TheBioticAssassin wrote...

I was just about to write something exactly like that! 

He needs someone who is kind and respectful, humorous and lighthearted, strong and loyal, and loving and affectionate. Man or woman, doesn't matter. That would be his perfect match. (And I was actually planning on making this my Inquisitor's personality even before thinking of this, so I'm happy to know my Inquizzy is perfect for him <3)

LOL, great minds! That's how I was planning to play mine... or at least the final canon one anyway, my first Inquisitor could either end up doing amazingly well with him, or deeply offending him since I'll be playing as myself and picking choices and dialogue options that I'd use in that given situation. 

If I did a playthrough in which I chose everything I would choose in real life... I'd end up making the same choices I would if I were being deliberately nice. I can't stand being unkind to people, whether it's irl or in the game. LOL. So most of my playthroughs of DA and ME are of diplomatic goody two shoes and paragons. 

[LolaLei]

TheBioticAssassin wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

TheBioticAssassin wrote...

I was just about to write something exactly like that! 

He needs someone who is kind and respectful, humorous and lighthearted, strong and loyal, and loving and affectionate. Man or woman, doesn't matter. That would be his perfect match. (And I was actually planning on making this my Inquisitor's personality even before thinking of this, so I'm happy to know my Inquizzy is perfect for him <3)

LOL, great minds! That's how I was planning to play mine... or at least the final canon one anyway, my first Inquisitor could either end up doing amazingly well with him, or deeply offending him since I'll be playing as myself and picking choices and dialogue options that I'd use in that given situation. 

If I did a playthrough in which I chose everything I would choose in real life... I'd end up making the same choices I would if I were being deliberately nice. I can't stand being unkind to people, whether it's irl or in the game. LOL. So most of my playthroughs of DA and ME are of diplomatic goody two shoes and paragons. 

I play it by ear and wing it, like I do in real life. Sometimes I'm diplomatic where required (like the real serious stuff), a lot of the time the replies end up being jokey or plain stupid, and then when someones being a real dick I'm like RAWR and use the aggressive tone.