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#71526
HurricaneGinger

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LolaLei wrote...

Admittedly, the thing I found hypocritical of Cullen was when he wanted to boot Keran out of the Order in case he had been possessed. Now, I get that he has to be wary and cautious, but baring in mind he went through the same ordeal for much longer and managed to stay strong and fight off the demon's offers you would have thought that he would have been a little more sympathetic, lol.



I didn't realize this until you pointed it out.

Cullen

honey

we need to have a talk. XD

#71527
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Sometimes I feel the fandom over Cullen (which I love btw) could hurt his chances to be a companion in #DAI. I hope to god I'm wrong.

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Rinshikai10 wrote...

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But ironically, I don't think there are actually too many decisions Cullen actually gets to  make on his own in DA2. Until the end. Pretty much he's always influenced by either Meredith or Hawke.

You and I are going to have to disagree on this. While Cullen has limited decisions on what he can do, he still has more then one opinion in any given situation. It not just take the mage away or kill them, Cullen could have let Bethany go. But, after everything that has happened to him, I get the impression that he only sees the two options. This is just my view but I believe Cullen deliberately tries to see the situation in a black and white fashion so that he doesn't have to deal with the possibility that he may be wrong about some Mages and the system as a whole.   

Well, my point was really talking about gameplay, that you rarely see him acting on his own before Act 3, except perhaps in tracking down Wilmod. Otherwise, he's generally an extension of Hawke's agency. Like when folks expect him to be the hero of the story and overthrow Meredith earlier.

Independent of gameplay, could he have chosen to let Beth go? Sure, and not be a templar anymore. I think his commitment to duty is one of his defining characteristics, and he would probably argue that letting Hawke avoid consequences for harboring Bethany was already bending the rules. Rough for a rule follower. Like Lola mentioned, he said he would never question the Order again, so I tend to imagine duty being something he'd dearly cling to in the dark times. So I guess I see it less as black and white thinking, and more that he has blinders on where the Order is concerned. This is why I think the dramatic changes in the Order itself could be rather earth shattering for him. Heh, good times.

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Sometimes I feel the fandom over Cullen (which I love btw) could hurt his chances to be a companion in #DAI. I hope to god I'm wrong.

DG has been rather explicit that this wouldn't happen. He'll be in the story if he works for the story. BUT! He also said there isn't a nicer group he could pander to than the Cullen fans. :P

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R2s Muse wrote...

TristanHawke wrote...

Sometimes I feel the fandom over Cullen (which I love btw) could hurt his chances to be a companion in #DAI. I hope to god I'm wrong.

DG has been rather explicit that this wouldn't happen. He'll be in the story if he works for the story. BUT! He also said there isn't a nicer group he could pander to than the Cullen fans. :P

I remember when Gaider wrote something like that. It warmed my heart. <3 I was all like, "Awww, that's so sweet."

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TheBioticAssassin wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

TristanHawke wrote...

Sometimes I feel the fandom over Cullen (which I love btw) could hurt his chances to be a companion in #DAI. I hope to god I'm wrong.

DG has been rather explicit that this wouldn't happen. He'll be in the story if he works for the story. BUT! He also said there isn't a nicer group he could pander to than the Cullen fans. :P

I remember when Gaider wrote something like that. It warmed my heart. <3 I was all like, "Awww, that's so sweet."

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Anyone got that quote ? :P

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R2s Muse wrote...

Honestly, I don't think BW would put in a character because the fans love or hate him. He'll have to work for the story. But, as David Gaider himself has said, and I quote:

I assure you that if we did include Cullen as a follower, it wouldn't be solely to "pander" to his fans. Not that I would overly mind pandering to them. They're not a large group, but there's hardly a nicer and more polite group one could choose to pander to.



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I think that quote helps to keep us in line. "Remember what David Gaider said; we don't want to disappoint him!"

#71534
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R2s Muse wrote...

TristanHawke wrote...

Sometimes I feel the fandom over Cullen (which I love btw) could hurt his chances to be a companion in #DAI. I hope to god I'm wrong.

DG has been rather explicit that this wouldn't happen. He'll be in the story if he works for the story. BUT! He also said there isn't a nicer group he could pander to than the Cullen fans. :P


He also said we'd backed him into a corner in terms of Cullen's story due to all our "head canons". I'd like to think that we reassured him when we all jumped into that thread to explain that wasn't the case.

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I headcannon my butt of, but that does not mean I'd be upset when things turn out differently. And that quote of DG is just too cute <3

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Mahumia wrote...

I headcannon my butt of, but that does not mean I'd be upset when things turn out differently. And that quote of DG is just too cute <3


Exactly! That's what we said to him.

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LolaLei wrote...

Mahumia wrote...

I headcannon my butt of, but that does not mean I'd be upset when things turn out differently. And that quote of DG is just too cute <3


Exactly! That's what we said to him.

Yes, I remember that exchange.

As much as I enjoy finding out that my wild predictions (i.e. headcanon) were accurate, I kinda like it more when they turn out to be off. I already know the story that existis in my head. It's a lot of fun to watch things spin off in an unexpected direction.

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berelinde wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Mahumia wrote...

I headcannon my butt of, but that does not mean I'd be upset when things turn out differently. And that quote of DG is just too cute <3


Exactly! That's what we said to him.

Yes, I remember that exchange.

As much as I enjoy finding out that my wild predictions (i.e. headcanon) were accurate, I kinda like it more when they turn out to be off. I already know the story that existis in my head. It's a lot of fun to watch things spin off in an unexpected direction.

This is exactly how I feel as well.

#71539
R2s Muse

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New Cullen fanart.

In Front of the Maker by Merwild

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R2s Muse wrote...

New Cullen fanart.

In Front of the Maker by Merwild


Aww thats cute:wub:

#71541
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ag99 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

New Cullen fanart.

In Front of the Maker by Merwild


Aww thats cute:wub:


Very cute :D

#71542
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for anyone who is interested you can pre-order the masked empire on amazon , i want to do it but I want a kindle version and im not sure if they have one

#71543
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ag99 wrote...

for anyone who is interested you can pre-order the masked empire on amazon , i want to do it but I want a kindle version and im not sure if they have one


I'm waiting for the Polish version :P

#71544
Ilidan_DA

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From HoDA:

This is Hunger demon IV:

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#71545
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Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

From HoDA:

This is Hunger demon IV:

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WOW you have A LOT of rare characters....:blink::blink:

#71546
Ilidan_DA

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Yes. From new pack - Legacy. Not free...

#71547
Adela

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Yea I just saw that I only have 49 gems.... :( cant afford it lol

#71548
Ilidan_DA

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I only have 9 gems ;(

#71549
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Yesterday. Brown pack and... Shriek Alpha rare ;)

#71550
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DG replyed on the other Cullen thread


David Gaider wrote...

Starsyn wrote...
"Cullen is just fan service," is the cry I keep hearing. Why? What's the reasoning behind calling Cullen a fan service character?


In my experience, the things we might put into a game solely to make fans (or a select group of fans, anyhow) happy tend to be pretty small in scope. Anything larger than that is going to require justification. At least someone on the team will need to believe that thing's inclusion has merit to the story or the game at large.

Fans like it when something they've been rooting for gets included in a title. When it's something they haven't been rooting for, but which others have, then it becomes "fan service" and a bad thing. In the case of Cullen, that gets laced with some extra venom because the fans who would be most excited about his inclusion (if, indeed, he's included in the way that some appear to assume) are both female and likely interested in romancing him.

And, for the love of God, why would we try to make them happy? To what new low has BioWare sank?

Try to maintain a bit of class, people. If something does get included that a group of fans would be excited for. no matter what the reason is, instead of being jealous try to be happy for them.