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[LolaLei]

Aw man, all I've got in is vodka and one can of beer... Totally not gonna mix those together in one glass!

[meanieweenie]

No, mixing those two would be bad. What have I started here? (You guys all PM me if you need an AA sponsor! LOL )

Which reminds me, I should probably stock up on my wine. Looks like I might be looking at a hurricane next week. Oh what fun.

[berelinde]

What kind of beer?

When I was in college, boiler-makers (and variants) were popular. the idea was to drop a shot glass full of whiskey into a glass of beer and drink the whole thing in one go. Not my idea of a tasty drink. Mimosas, on the other hand...

See you when I'm less sober.

[LolaLei]

Crappy Fosters, the worst kind lol.

[LolaLei]

Guys, I've just worked out where Hawke 'n' co store all their items and loot: Sebastian's special Andraste tool belt, there's loads of pockets on that thing!

[meanieweenie]

OMG... I decided to take the first bubble bath in about 10 months.
Me - "Honey, I'm getting in the tub. Feed the boy."
Him -"Uh, ok. I'll take care of it."
Later....
Me -"Hey kid, what'd ya have for dinner?"
Kid -"Dad gave me a bowl of gummi bears."

FOR REAL???? <sigh>

[R2s Muse]

meanieweenie wrote...

OMG... I decided to take the first bubble bath in about 10 months.
Me - "Honey, I'm getting in the tub. Feed the boy."
Him -"Uh, ok. I'll take care of it."
Later....
Me -"Hey kid, what'd ya have for dinner?"
Kid -"Dad gave me a bowl of gummi bears."

FOR REAL???? <sigh>

LMAO --- busted!!

[berelinde]

meanieweenie wrote...

OMG... I decided to take the first bubble bath in about 10 months.
Me - "Honey, I'm getting in the tub. Feed the boy."
Him -"Uh, ok. I'll take care of it."
Later....
Me -"Hey kid, what'd ya have for dinner?"
Kid -"Dad gave me a bowl of gummi bears."

FOR REAL???? <sigh>

Dad of the year, I see. Men.

[meanieweenie]

Now I get to contend with the sugar high. He's trying to duel the dog with his lightsaber.

Cullen would never give your kid gummi bears for dinner. lol

[Xilizhra]

Are you sure? I could see Cullen doing that, honestly.

[meanieweenie]

Me too. I was just trying to bring it back to topic, in case someone actually wanted to discuss something pertinent.

[Xilizhra]

So, then: how would Cullen, I wonder, react to a situation I just made up. The templars unveiling an enemy idea I had: the Myrmidon, a supersoldier created by mutating a Tranquil mage with exposure to red lyrium. Would this be a decent breaking point for Cullen leaving the Order, if he found out about Lambert approving the creation of myrmidons?

[meanieweenie]

I do. I think he'd totally flip and leave the order. It's my understanding that it's one of those god before country things. Would Andraste approve? No. He didn't follow Meredith and I don't believe he'd follow Lambert.

[brushyourteeth]

Xilizhra wrote...

So, then: how would Cullen, I wonder, react to a situation I just made up. The templars unveiling an enemy idea I had: the Myrmidon, a supersoldier created by mutating a Tranquil mage with exposure to red lyrium. Would this be a decent breaking point for Cullen leaving the Order, if he found out about Lambert approving the creation of myrmidons?

I don't see Lambert and Cullen being buddies in the first place for one thing. And it's not just because I want him to be the good guy - by Act 2 he's already feeling uncomfortable with being part of an organization that treats mages much more harshly than necessary, starting to wake up to his own nasty "mages aren't people" indoctrination, and feel less secure within the order because it frequently breaks its own rules (I image Cullen loves the security of rank-and-file, black-and-white leadership). Lambert's a sick bastard, who I honestly don't think would have any use for Cullen even if the two were pushed together. He needs men who either love putting down mages just because, or will keep their traps shut and do what they're told. Cullen showed in the last game that he's not that guy, even if he once was.

As far as experimenting on the Tranquil? Turning them into supersoldiers? That's definitely slavery. Something David Gaider has been quick to point out is something the Circle system has at least been careful to avoid so far.

So yeah, I think it'd be a breaking point, if that point hasn't already come. If we meet Cullen in DAIII I honestly expect him to be on the run from the Chantry already or rotting in one of its dungeons. Unless he had the good fortune of getting snapped up by one of Justinia's agents first.

... and you're onto something - I can totally imagine Cullen feeding a kid gummi bears.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 04 août 2012 - 12:20 .

[Xilizhra]

I admit that my depiction of templars has been more than a little inspired by Cerberus; there's the myrmidon thing, and my idea for them to start kidnapping people and force-feeding them lyrium, then basically keeping them chained to the Order via their addiction. I think it'd work well, all told, if they wanted to show Cullen as a leader of a group of defectors from decadence; I don't like Greagoir in particular, but I could see him serving as a martyr in the backstory.

[brushyourteeth]

Xilizhra wrote...

I admit that my depiction of templars has been more than a little inspired by Cerberus; there's the myrmidon thing, and my idea for them to start kidnapping people and force-feeding them lyrium, then basically keeping them chained to the Order via their addiction. I think it'd work well, all told, if they wanted to show Cullen as a leader of a group of defectors from decadence; I don't like Greagoir in particular, but I could see him serving as a martyr in the backstory.

I agree with you completely there -- the breakaway Templars are a lot like Cerberus. And through careless recruing and negligent oversight (at best - quite evil intentions at worst), plus promoting lyrium addiction as a method of control, the Chantry has made their own bed and now they have to sleep in it. Justinia seems to be on the right track. Any Templars or Seekers that broke away are obviously not in it to serve Andraste, or they'd listen to her ambassador - they just want to teach some robes a lesson. Hopefully they're in the minority - Asunder's ending didn't really give us any clues on that point. I expect there'll be a lot of double-dealing in the next game. A character like Cassandra or Cullen who could play both sides would make things verrrrry interesting.

[R2s Muse]

Xilizhra wrote...

I admit that my depiction of templars has been more than a little inspired by Cerberus; there's the myrmidon thing, and my idea for them to start kidnapping people and force-feeding them lyrium, then basically keeping them chained to the Order via their addiction. I think it'd work well, all told, if they wanted to show Cullen as a leader of a group of defectors from decadence; I don't like Greagoir in particular, but I could see him serving as a martyr in the backstory.

LMAO ... with cerberus and myrmidon... i was totally going with a greek thing. didn't get the ME connection at all... LOL

[Xilizhra]

Personally, I'm hoping that the vast majority of the Templar Order goes with Lambert, with a few small holdouts hanging around with the Chantry still. It'd be a much starker and more dramatic view of what happened there.

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I admit that my depiction of templars has been more than a little inspired by Cerberus; there's the myrmidon thing, and my idea for them to start kidnapping people and force-feeding them lyrium, then basically keeping them chained to the Order via their addiction. I think it'd work well, all told, if they wanted to show Cullen as a leader of a group of defectors from decadence; I don't like Greagoir in particular, but I could see him serving as a martyr in the backstory.

I agree with you completely there -- the breakaway Templars are a lot like Cerberus. And through careless recruing and negligent oversight (at best - quite evil intentions at worst), plus promoting lyrium addiction as a method of control, the Chantry has made their own bed and now they have to sleep in it. Justinia seems to be on the right track. Any Templars or Seekers that broke away are obviously not in it to serve Andraste, or they'd listen to her ambassador - they just want to teach some robes a lesson. Hopefully they're in the minority - Asunder's ending didn't really give us any clues on that point. I expect there'll be a lot of double-dealing in the next game. A character like Cassandra or Cullen who could play both sides would make things verrrrry interesting.

I can't believe I'm going to say this sentence, but to be fair to Lambert, he does think that Justinia was just a wrong choice, and not the voice of god. He believes that he is doing the Maker's good works in thwarting the mage threat. And, unfortunately, all fifteen knight-commanders signed off on Lambert's actions... whether they had reservations or not, so my feeling is that the majority of the Order is following to the beat of his drum and are now defected. I'll bet there are few of the rank and file that stay true to the Chantry, but as an organization, they're split.

[Xilizhra]

And, unfortunately, all fifteen knight-commanders signed off on Lambert's actions... whether they had reservations or not, so my feeling is that the majority of the Order is following to the beat of his drum and are now defected. I'll bet there are few of the rank and file that stay true to the Chantry, but as an organization, they're split.

Wait, so it's official? Greagoir went along with this?
*squees*
I knew it. Overrated ****.

[R2s Muse]

Xilizhra wrote...

Personally, I'm hoping that the vast majority of the Templar Order goes with Lambert, with a few small holdouts hanging around with the Chantry still. It'd be a much starker and more dramatic view of what happened there.

Logically, I think this is what would would happen. As we've talked about, most templars are going to follow orders. Some will not, like Cullen at this point, but I'll bet many will. That's the part I'm looking forward to... seeing all the templars have the doubts that Cullen had and actually start to think for themselves for once.

[R2s Muse]

Xilizhra wrote...

And, unfortunately, all fifteen knight-commanders signed off on Lambert's actions... whether they had reservations or not, so my feeling is that the majority of the Order is following to the beat of his drum and are now defected. I'll bet there are few of the rank and file that stay true to the Chantry, but as an organization, they're split.

Wait, so it's official? Greagoir went along with this?
*squees*
I knew it. Overrated ****.

Whoever was running the Ferelden circle ostensibly did, since they all did. Unfortunately, there are no names in the book. Honestly, it makes me wonder if Cullen might even have been there (prob not...) but we don't know who's running the Gallows either. There is a line in there that Lambert knows some of them have doubts and that he plans to 'take care of them' or something. [I went and looked these up again recently...]

[brushyourteeth]

R2s Muse wrote...

I can't believe I'm going to say this sentence, but to be fair to Lambert, he does think that Justinia was just a wrong choice, and not the voice of god. He believes that he is doing the Maker's good works in thwarting the mage threat. And, unfortunately, all fifteen knight-commanders signed off on Lambert's actions... whether they had reservations or not, so my feeling is that the majority of the Order is following to the beat of his drum and are now defected. I'll bet there are few of the rank and file that stay true to the Chantry, but as an organization, they're split.

While you definitely have a point there, if we're going to be fair to Lambert we ought to be fair to villains in general and admit that they almost always have reasons to believe that they're doing what's best. Very few of them go around moustache-twirling and being evil for evil's sake. That's the problem. That's what makes a great villain. That's what made Loghain so fantastic (and a much better villain than Howe) - you could actually relate to where he was coming from, and wonder how such a great man could turn so... wrong.

Lambert represents the worst the Chantry has to offer. Seriously. I'm actually quite the Chantry sympathizer, and it's because I can see where the philosophy, when implemented correctly, really could make Thedas better. If all Chantry folk were Lambert copies I'd be praying for another (more tightly controlled) bomb explosion to take place in Val Royeaux.

Of course since David Gaider is David Gaider, he had to go and make Lambert's assumptions about Cole be completely correct (just to keep things in the gray). Dammit. 

[meanieweenie]

R2s Muse wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Personally, I'm hoping that the vast majority of the Templar Order goes with Lambert, with a few small holdouts hanging around with the Chantry still. It'd be a much starker and more dramatic view of what happened there.

Logically, I think this is what would would happen. As we've talked about, most templars are going to follow orders. Some will not, like Cullen at this point, but I'll bet many will. That's the part I'm looking forward to... seeing all the templars have the doubts that Cullen had and actually start to think for themselves for once.

I'm inclined to agree here. If you consider the looks of "What do we do now?" that all the Templars gave Cullen once the wicked witch was dead, the majority go with Lambert . Some will stay because they're greedy and think it'll advance thier own positions. Some will stay because they're following orders.  Maybe some because they'll be worried about where they're going to get thier lyrium fix. Some, however, will head straight to the Divine to find out what is next. Join the Seekers. Maybe start a band.

[brushyourteeth]

meanieweenie wrote...

however, will head straight to the Divine to find out what is next. Join the Seekers. Maybe start a band.

Cullen and the no-last-names?