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The Official Knight-Captain Cullen Discussion thread 2.0.
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 12:35
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lol 3 Cullen threads in 1 day? MADNESSSS (must be the work of blood magic that or ppl REALLLY need some new info, otherwise i suspect there are gonna be lotsof cullen hate threads just so ppl have something to b!tch about)
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 12:57
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At least there's a lot of people calling out the haters in those threads, even people who aren't from here =) The hypocrisy is obvious even to others~
Now can we please have that dev diary? Not only do I want to see it, but maybe then we won't see a fourth anti-Cullen thread on the front page x)
Now can we please have that dev diary? Not only do I want to see it, but maybe then we won't see a fourth anti-Cullen thread on the front page x)
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 01:39
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I just find it weird that people have chosen to attack one character above all others.
I'm not entirely sure if the bulk of it is because they genuinely dislike his character for story based reasons, or because they're just "sick of hearing about him", or because they're "sick of his fangirls going on about him". If it's the former, then that's fair enough. I mean, disliking a character due to their actions (or lack off) in-game, personality, and/or due to that characters story-arc, or faction they represent etc is fine, people like/dislike different things. If, however, it's the latter then you'd think they'd stop making hundreds of threads about it because all it's doing is more hype surrounding that character.
You'd think those who dislike Cullen so strongly that they don't want him in the game would avoid drawing more attention to him. After all, the devs/writers are more inclined to bring back/use controversial characters than ones that noone gives two sh!ts about either way.
I'm not entirely sure if the bulk of it is because they genuinely dislike his character for story based reasons, or because they're just "sick of hearing about him", or because they're "sick of his fangirls going on about him". If it's the former, then that's fair enough. I mean, disliking a character due to their actions (or lack off) in-game, personality, and/or due to that characters story-arc, or faction they represent etc is fine, people like/dislike different things. If, however, it's the latter then you'd think they'd stop making hundreds of threads about it because all it's doing is more hype surrounding that character.
You'd think those who dislike Cullen so strongly that they don't want him in the game would avoid drawing more attention to him. After all, the devs/writers are more inclined to bring back/use controversial characters than ones that noone gives two sh!ts about either way.
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 01:50
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I guess I should probably take into account that a fair few BSN users like to make pointless Cullen threads just to set people off, lol. For every genuine one created with a legit question, at least 3 or 4 more pop up around the same time after they see everyone bickering about him in the first thread.
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 01:53
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KiddDaBeauty wrote...
At least there's a lot of people calling out the haters in those threads, even people who aren't from here =) The hypocrisy is obvious even to others~
Now can we please have that dev diary? Not only do I want to see it, but maybe then we won't see a fourth anti-Cullen thread on the front page x)
Well they've already had three so far the fourth one should be free.
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 02:06
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So in light of all these Cullen threads popping up again, I thought I'd take a small crack at creating that Cullen Fan Thread FAQ. Heck, even one of the threads made had the op suggesting one be made because of all the crazy.
All I really wrote up was more of a basic character synopsis divided between the two games (not finished, but I am tired right now). I think I'll (or if anyone else wanted to) make a more BSN Cullen thread oriented one separately. ex. *So, why do you want the guy to be a companion in DAI? ect.
I just felt like one needed the other to kinda... Balance and point things out, I suppose.
I just wanted feedback on if this was something decent enough? Anything else besides some middle to end game DAII stuff to add? I feel like I've been pretty neutral. I'm not trying to glorify him or make him seem horrible. Things are just what they are. I've only sourced one thing so far too.
I'd like to keep it brief, but I've gotten used to blowing up essays with fluff to meet a particular word count for school.
I imagine I've repeated myself a couple times, I've got a bad habit of doing that
i'm also really embarassed right now. hum.
Cullen Fan Thread FAQ
Dragon Age: Origins
Character synopsis
*So, who is this “Cullen” guy I keep hearing about?
- Cullen in a Templar whom you first meet in Dragon Age: Origins. Remember that loony Templar you meet during the Circle of Magi main quest, screaming at you at to kill all the mages – even possibly the innocent? In the pink force field cage? Yeah, that was him.
Although his role here is small even if you play as a mage yourself. It is certainly easy to forget in the scope of the entire game.
*Wait, loony?
- Yes. During this time, Uldred and his blood mages revolted and took over the Circle of Magi. During this exchange, Cullen and several other Templars were captured and tortured for weeks, or possibly even months. He was the only one to survive.
*Wait, why is he confessing his infatuation for my Female Mage character?
- At the beginning of the mage origin, Cullen is the Templar who was chosen to kill your character should he/she fail their harrowing and become an abomination. If your character happens to be female of either race, he has a crush on your character. This can be made very, very, painfully clear if you speak to him. He can be found standing about in a hallway on the upper levels after you complete your harrowing.
It is not possible to have a romance with him despite his obvious feelings – he will literally run away if your character propositions him.
*So, he like, watches the Female Mage Warden sleep? Creepy.
-Probably at some point. A templar’s job is to constantly watch the mages in the tower at all times; having stalker like tendencies is pretty much required to do their job.
*So, he hates mages?
-This question may be more complex than you think.
Keep in mind that during his particular conversation while trapped in the pink bubble of woe, it takes him a few moments to even register that you and your party are even real. The conversation is soon after the deaths of his friends and in the midst of his torment.
He blames these mages and believes they should all die for it – even the ones not directly responsible because they might be possessed.
This incident is certainly what changed his attitude and view towards magic and mages in general.
During the origin story of the mage warden, a conversation with him will reveal that he initially believed the Templars were too hard on mages and that he hunted down apostates with “a heavy heart.”
Dragon Age II
*Wait! Why is Cullen Knight-Captain of Kirkwall in my game? He went crazy and killed mages!
-Sorry, but that epilogue slide was retconned. The epilogue slides in Dragon Age: Origins are nothing more than hearsay and rumor. By Act 1 of Dragon Age II, Cullen has been transferred to the Kirkwall Circle and rose through the ranks to Knight-Captain – which is effectively the second-in-command of the Kirkwall Templars.
*But, but he became the Knight-Commander in my epilogue!
-Sorry, but you are not going to win this. Cullen is in Dragon Age II and he is the Knight-Captain no matter what you say or do in DA:O.
*Okay, fine, he’s in DAII and Knight-Captain. Why is he in Kirkwall?
-According to his Codex in DAII, after his torture during Uldred’s rebellion:
“After Cullen returned to his duties, it became clear that he would go to any lengths to enforce the Chantry's rule. His zeal troubled Knight-Commander Greagoir, who feared it unwise to let Cullen watch over the men and women he deemed responsible for his torment.
Greagoir sent Cullen to serve under Knight-commander Meredith in Kirkwall, hoping time away would calm him, and Meredith found Cullen's view of mages similar to her own. Of her company, only Cullen had seen mages' potentially terrifying power firsthand, and she believed he could influence the other templars' views. Consequently, Cullen rose quickly through the ranks to become knight-captain and Meredith's second-in-command.”
I do not believe this needs much more explanation.
*Why does he look… So different?
-Changes in the art style and engine dictate that the entire game look different from its predecessor. Besides a change in hair and eye color, Cullen’s new look may not be as drastic as it may seem.
*I’m a mage/had mage characters in my party casting spells when I first met him. Why didn’t he notice?
-Cullen is just… Really, really oblivious. He is a very rubbish Templar.
*He said that mages “Aren’t people like you and me!” That means he hates mages, right?
-Keep in mind that this happens in Act 1 of DAII, about a year or so after the events in the Ferelden tower. Cullen is still reeling from the events that transpired there, but ultimately, yes, he does have a much more hardline stance against magic and mages in general. He now takes his duties as a Templar much more seriously.
This is a major part of his identity as a character.
*I keep hearing of rapes and horrible acts the Templars commit against the mages in Kirkwall. Why doesn’t Cullen do anything about it?
-The truth is that we don’t really know what Cullen did or did not do aside from quests Hawke was directly involved with. He may or may not have known about the rapes. He may have known and did nothing about it or did do something about it with unforeseen results.
The truth is simply nobody but Word of God knows.
*Was Cullen partaking in these rapes?
-Word of God decrees nein. - http://swooping-is-b...om/1286233.html
*He took Bethany away! Why did he do that after I helped him?
-Because he is a Templar and that is his job. To play devil’s advocate, he was quite lenient on Hawke and family for harboring an apostate.
All I really wrote up was more of a basic character synopsis divided between the two games (not finished, but I am tired right now). I think I'll (or if anyone else wanted to) make a more BSN Cullen thread oriented one separately. ex. *So, why do you want the guy to be a companion in DAI? ect.
I just felt like one needed the other to kinda... Balance and point things out, I suppose.
I just wanted feedback on if this was something decent enough? Anything else besides some middle to end game DAII stuff to add? I feel like I've been pretty neutral. I'm not trying to glorify him or make him seem horrible. Things are just what they are. I've only sourced one thing so far too.
I'd like to keep it brief, but I've gotten used to blowing up essays with fluff to meet a particular word count for school.
Cullen Fan Thread FAQ
Dragon Age: Origins
Character synopsis
*So, who is this “Cullen” guy I keep hearing about?
- Cullen in a Templar whom you first meet in Dragon Age: Origins. Remember that loony Templar you meet during the Circle of Magi main quest, screaming at you at to kill all the mages – even possibly the innocent? In the pink force field cage? Yeah, that was him.
Although his role here is small even if you play as a mage yourself. It is certainly easy to forget in the scope of the entire game.
*Wait, loony?
- Yes. During this time, Uldred and his blood mages revolted and took over the Circle of Magi. During this exchange, Cullen and several other Templars were captured and tortured for weeks, or possibly even months. He was the only one to survive.
*Wait, why is he confessing his infatuation for my Female Mage character?
- At the beginning of the mage origin, Cullen is the Templar who was chosen to kill your character should he/she fail their harrowing and become an abomination. If your character happens to be female of either race, he has a crush on your character. This can be made very, very, painfully clear if you speak to him. He can be found standing about in a hallway on the upper levels after you complete your harrowing.
It is not possible to have a romance with him despite his obvious feelings – he will literally run away if your character propositions him.
*So, he like, watches the Female Mage Warden sleep? Creepy.
-Probably at some point. A templar’s job is to constantly watch the mages in the tower at all times; having stalker like tendencies is pretty much required to do their job.
*So, he hates mages?
-This question may be more complex than you think.
Keep in mind that during his particular conversation while trapped in the pink bubble of woe, it takes him a few moments to even register that you and your party are even real. The conversation is soon after the deaths of his friends and in the midst of his torment.
He blames these mages and believes they should all die for it – even the ones not directly responsible because they might be possessed.
This incident is certainly what changed his attitude and view towards magic and mages in general.
During the origin story of the mage warden, a conversation with him will reveal that he initially believed the Templars were too hard on mages and that he hunted down apostates with “a heavy heart.”
Dragon Age II
*Wait! Why is Cullen Knight-Captain of Kirkwall in my game? He went crazy and killed mages!
-Sorry, but that epilogue slide was retconned. The epilogue slides in Dragon Age: Origins are nothing more than hearsay and rumor. By Act 1 of Dragon Age II, Cullen has been transferred to the Kirkwall Circle and rose through the ranks to Knight-Captain – which is effectively the second-in-command of the Kirkwall Templars.
*But, but he became the Knight-Commander in my epilogue!
-Sorry, but you are not going to win this. Cullen is in Dragon Age II and he is the Knight-Captain no matter what you say or do in DA:O.
*Okay, fine, he’s in DAII and Knight-Captain. Why is he in Kirkwall?
-According to his Codex in DAII, after his torture during Uldred’s rebellion:
“After Cullen returned to his duties, it became clear that he would go to any lengths to enforce the Chantry's rule. His zeal troubled Knight-Commander Greagoir, who feared it unwise to let Cullen watch over the men and women he deemed responsible for his torment.
Greagoir sent Cullen to serve under Knight-commander Meredith in Kirkwall, hoping time away would calm him, and Meredith found Cullen's view of mages similar to her own. Of her company, only Cullen had seen mages' potentially terrifying power firsthand, and she believed he could influence the other templars' views. Consequently, Cullen rose quickly through the ranks to become knight-captain and Meredith's second-in-command.”
I do not believe this needs much more explanation.
*Why does he look… So different?
-Changes in the art style and engine dictate that the entire game look different from its predecessor. Besides a change in hair and eye color, Cullen’s new look may not be as drastic as it may seem.
*I’m a mage/had mage characters in my party casting spells when I first met him. Why didn’t he notice?
-Cullen is just… Really, really oblivious. He is a very rubbish Templar.
*He said that mages “Aren’t people like you and me!” That means he hates mages, right?
-Keep in mind that this happens in Act 1 of DAII, about a year or so after the events in the Ferelden tower. Cullen is still reeling from the events that transpired there, but ultimately, yes, he does have a much more hardline stance against magic and mages in general. He now takes his duties as a Templar much more seriously.
This is a major part of his identity as a character.
*I keep hearing of rapes and horrible acts the Templars commit against the mages in Kirkwall. Why doesn’t Cullen do anything about it?
-The truth is that we don’t really know what Cullen did or did not do aside from quests Hawke was directly involved with. He may or may not have known about the rapes. He may have known and did nothing about it or did do something about it with unforeseen results.
The truth is simply nobody but Word of God knows.
*Was Cullen partaking in these rapes?
-Word of God decrees nein. - http://swooping-is-b...om/1286233.html
*He took Bethany away! Why did he do that after I helped him?
-Because he is a Templar and that is his job. To play devil’s advocate, he was quite lenient on Hawke and family for harboring an apostate.
Modifié par Batteries, 17 février 2014 - 02:25 .
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 02:16
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I'm curious to know whether or not the devs/writers have told Greg Ellis about the controversy surrounding Cullen?
I know that when the VOs get in the booth there's always a dev/writer on hand to give the voice actor some direction, along with the character's motivations and, in the case of returning characters, what he/she has been doing in the time between the previous and new installment, and how all these events has shaped them.
So, I wonder if maybe it's been brought up in passing? I mean, if Cullen really is a companion/LI or even an important/major npc then presumably they'd tell him why the character felt right for the new game and what the DA fan's reactions to Cullen have been in general?
I know that when the VOs get in the booth there's always a dev/writer on hand to give the voice actor some direction, along with the character's motivations and, in the case of returning characters, what he/she has been doing in the time between the previous and new installment, and how all these events has shaped them.
So, I wonder if maybe it's been brought up in passing? I mean, if Cullen really is a companion/LI or even an important/major npc then presumably they'd tell him why the character felt right for the new game and what the DA fan's reactions to Cullen have been in general?
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 02:20
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Batteries I think it looks good. I took a crack at one myself, which is similar in some ways, less DA:O, but has a few more links. I can share it when I get home, if you want to borrow any of it.
I ran out if steam with it because I couldn't think of many questions to which the answers were factual, as opposed to opinion/ speculation.
I ran out if steam with it because I couldn't think of many questions to which the answers were factual, as opposed to opinion/ speculation.
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 02:22
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Erm, I think you say heresy when you mean hearsay in the first Dragon Age 2 question. Heresy would be if he was saying Andraste was really a drag queen and he was trying to make everyone believe it.
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 02:25
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Batteries, just some minor adjustments to two of them, since we wanna cover all potential questions:
*I’m a mage/had mage characters in my party casting spells when I first met him. Why didn’t he notice?
-Cullen is just… Really, really oblivious. He is a very rubbish Templar. - DG said that they had forgotten to add in dialogue etc that would see Cullen recognise/react to a mage Hawke/mages in the party. Perhaps mention about the game being rushed etc, which is basically what it boils down to.
*He said that mages “Aren’t people like you and me!” That means he hates mages, right? - Keep in mind that this happens in Act 1 of DAII, about a year or so after the events in the Ferelden tower. Cullen is still reeling from the events that transpired there, but ultimately, yes, he does have a much more hardline stance against magic and mages in general. He now takes his duties as a Templar much more seriously. - Perhaps suggest that mages aren't like "you and me" in terms of magical abilities, because they aren't. That's not a bad thing, but it's worth remembering that he's not saying that they aren't people, only that they are different and not fully understood, least of all by him.
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*I’m a mage/had mage characters in my party casting spells when I first met him. Why didn’t he notice?
-Cullen is just… Really, really oblivious. He is a very rubbish Templar. - DG said that they had forgotten to add in dialogue etc that would see Cullen recognise/react to a mage Hawke/mages in the party. Perhaps mention about the game being rushed etc, which is basically what it boils down to.
*He said that mages “Aren’t people like you and me!” That means he hates mages, right? - Keep in mind that this happens in Act 1 of DAII, about a year or so after the events in the Ferelden tower. Cullen is still reeling from the events that transpired there, but ultimately, yes, he does have a much more hardline stance against magic and mages in general. He now takes his duties as a Templar much more seriously. - Perhaps suggest that mages aren't like "you and me" in terms of magical abilities, because they aren't. That's not a bad thing, but it's worth remembering that he's not saying that they aren't people, only that they are different and not fully understood, least of all by him.
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 02:28
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Elfman wrote...
Erm, I think you say heresy when you mean hearsay in the first Dragon Age 2 question. Heresy would be if he was saying Andraste was really a drag queen and he was trying to make everyone believe it.
Gawd, that would be amazing!
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 02:31
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Elfman wrote...
Erm, I think you say heresy when you mean hearsay in the first Dragon Age 2 question. Heresy would be if he was saying Andraste was really a drag queen and he was trying to make everyone believe it.
Whoops, I blame word for that. Would also be why templar is constantly capitalized too.
And sure R2, I could use what you have and try to squish everything together.
For some of the questions, like the rape one... I put it in because I hear it thrown about quite a bit.
Even if it's something we know nothing conclusive about, I just decided to throw it in just to clarify the unclarification.
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 02:32
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Ugh moderator logic, leave the troll threads open and lock the Cullen fan response thread for starting on the Cullen fans.
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 02:33
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Elfman wrote...
Ugh moderator logic, leave the troll threads open and lock the Cullen fan response thread for starting on the Cullen fans.
Lol, aren't they supposed to shut down duplicate threads?
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 02:33
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I like to remind people of the actual quote about how mages "can't be treated like people. They're not like you and me." Technically what he says is true, whether or not one agrees.
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 02:35
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R2s Muse wrote...
I like to remind people of the actual quote about how mages "can't be treated like people. They're not like you and me." Technically what he says is true, whether or not one agrees.
Mind you, reading it like that does sound pretty harsh, LOL!
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 02:36
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I swear, if he's romanceable and able to romance a mage then I'm totally going down that root, just to prove him wrong... and make him say sorry, LOL!
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 02:36
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LolaLei wrote...
Batteries, just some minor adjustments to two of them, since we wanna cover all potential questions:
*I’m a mage/had mage characters in my party casting spells when I first met him. Why didn’t he notice?
-Cullen is just… Really, really oblivious. He is a very rubbish Templar. - DG said that they had forgotten to add in dialogue etc that would see Cullen recognise/react to a mage Hawke/mages in the party. Perhaps mention about the game being rushed etc, which is basically what it boils down to.
*He said that mages “Aren’t people like you and me!” That means he hates mages, right? - Keep in mind that this happens in Act 1 of DAII, about a year or so after the events in the Ferelden tower. Cullen is still reeling from the events that transpired there, but ultimately, yes, he does have a much more hardline stance against magic and mages in general. He now takes his duties as a Templar much more seriously. - Perhaps suggest that mages aren't like "you and me" in terms of magical abilities, because they aren't. That's not a bad thing, but it's worth remembering that he's not saying that they aren't people, only that they are different and not fully understood, least of all by him.
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I'll definitely add those in, completely forgot. One reason I did post this was to also see if anyone had a bunch of reference links handy as well.
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 02:38
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Batteries wrote...
LolaLei wrote...
*Snip*
I'll definitely add those in, completely forgot. One reason I did post this was to also see if anyone had a bunch of reference links handy as well.
R2 has all that sort of thing handy, she's awesome like that!
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 02:43
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Oh, in this one:
*He took Bethany away! Why did he do that after I helped him?
Because he is a Templar and that is his job. To play devil’s advocate, he was quite lenient on Hawke and family for harboring an apostate. - Add in that "to be fair" he does give Hawke the heads up if you speak to him in the Gallow's prior to the Deep Roads expedition. Via ambiant dialogue he'll say: "I've been hearing interesting things about your sister, Hawke. I hope they're not true." Hell, if that isn't a warning to take Bethany with you into the Deep Roads, I dunno what is!
*He took Bethany away! Why did he do that after I helped him?
Because he is a Templar and that is his job. To play devil’s advocate, he was quite lenient on Hawke and family for harboring an apostate. - Add in that "to be fair" he does give Hawke the heads up if you speak to him in the Gallow's prior to the Deep Roads expedition. Via ambiant dialogue he'll say: "I've been hearing interesting things about your sister, Hawke. I hope they're not true." Hell, if that isn't a warning to take Bethany with you into the Deep Roads, I dunno what is!
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 02:49
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It's weird looking at Cullen's involvement in DA:O and DA2 from a purely fact based standpoint. It's been a while since we've done that! Crazy how much we've had to fill in with speculation and theories, just to try and second guess his character!
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 02:55
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LolaLei wrote...
I swear, if he's romanceable and able to romance a mage then I'm totally going down that root, just to prove him wrong... and make him say sorry, LOL!
Teehee and my pro-Qunari elf will probably try to push him in the other direction!
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 02:57
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Elfman wrote...
LolaLei wrote...
I swear, if he's romanceable and able to romance a mage then I'm totally going down that root, just to prove him wrong... and make him say sorry, LOL!
Teehee and my pro-Qunari elf will probably try to push him in the other direction!
He'd probably fair quite well if he converted to the Qun!
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 03:47
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LolaLei wrote...
I just find it weird that people have chosen to attack one character above all others.
I'm not entirely sure if the bulk of it is because they genuinely dislike his character for story based reasons, or because they're just "sick of hearing about him", or because they're "sick of his fangirls going on about him". If it's the former, then that's fair enough. I mean, disliking a character due to their actions (or lack off) in-game, personality, and/or due to that characters story-arc, or faction they represent etc is fine, people like/dislike different things. If, however, it's the latter then you'd think they'd stop making hundreds of threads about it because all it's doing is more hype surrounding that character.
You'd think those who dislike Cullen so strongly that they don't want him in the game would avoid drawing more attention to him. After all, the devs/writers are more inclined to bring back/use controversial characters than ones that noone gives two sh!ts about either way.
I 'd say that this fuss is caused by the lack of new information regarding the game, and since Cullen is perhaps the only familiar character besides Varric and Cassandra, who might be a companion,it is more likely that they discuss him, rather than Vivienne for example,since we know very little about her.
Why the attention he get's is negative however is mostly because he is a templar.The DA fandom hates templars truth being told, and one of them being so popular doesn't sit well with most of them...
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Posté 17 février 2014 - 03:50
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LolaLei wrote...
Batteries wrote...
LolaLei wrote...
*Snip*
I'll definitely add those in, completely forgot. One reason I did post this was to also see if anyone had a bunch of reference links handy as well.
R2 has all that sort of thing handy, she's awesome like that!
On the cullen is oblivious comment, that's also in the Swooping is Bad interview :
http://swooping-is-b...om/1286233.html
On the cut 'Hawke is a mage' plot:
DG: "When we cut that plot I was like "Oh. All right, so...I guess nobody notices..." So I put a couple comments into Meredith's dialogue, she sort of comments "We knew who you were," and in a few other places. I think we should've put something into Cullen's dialogue. [laughter]
TUK: Poor Cullen. So oblivious.
DG: Jennifer wrote that plot, and afterwards, I forget what it was, someone said "You know, wouldn't Cullen happen to burst onto the scene and you're casting spells, wouldn't he say 'So you're a mage...'" It was too late for us to do anything about it and we decided that Cullen is just very oblivious.
