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Shortbread improves as it ages, so it fits the bill. It's simple & straightforward, but rich with flavour and texture. 

 

Yum.

 

Shortbread is perfect.

 

...And I wish desperately that one or two of the writers were Australian just so they could possibly compare one of the characters to fairy bread. Fairy bread is boss. Or a Golden Gaytime, which are also boss. Perfect ice cream. /Australian things.  :lol:

 

That and I would just love to sit back and watch the chaos over Golden Gaytimes. 

 

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Golden Gaytime is just about the best snack name ever.


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Yeah, I think those are the aravel/landships.


Most people think it's for the Arlathvhen Fenris mentioned to Merrill in MotA. Something I'm actually really excited for in DAI. Hopefully we'll learn some real lore about the Dalish. So far, it's been woefully lacking for obvious reasons.

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Most people think it's for the Arlathvhen Fenris mentioned to Merrill in MotA. Something I'm actually really excited for in DAI. Hopefully we'll learn some real lore about the Dalish. So far, it's been woefully lacking for obvious reasons.

 

Well, with our elf Inquisitors being Dalish, I imagine we'll learn a bit, at least!  :wizard:


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Well, with our elf Inquisitors being Dalish, I imagine we'll learn a bit, at least!  :wizard:


I have always wanted to play an elven First/Keeper. So I'm seriously considering trying to fit in a magey elf into my playthroughs. You know, in the slightest chance for a sliver of information about the ancient elves that only mage characters are told.

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So I have a question for everyone to ponder. Why do some Cullen-detractors claim to hate the Bethany scene? (post-Deep Roads scene when she is taken to the Circle)

 

Cullen is polite and civil, if stern. He calls her "Mistress Bethany," which is kind of cute (and so him).

 

He does not bring a contingent of templars; he comes alone.

 

He does not take her by force; he says she needs to come, and she comes. 

 

Doesn't he even say (kind of posturing) that he COULD come down on the Hawke family for harboring an apostate (which is, in his defense, highly illegal), but he won't.

 

Wow, what an *******! I mean, really? I don't get it.


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So I have a question for everyone to ponder. Why do some Cullen-detractors claim to hate the Bethany scene? (post-Deep Roads scene when she is taken to the Circle)

 

Cullen is polite and civil, if stern. He calls her "Mistress Bethany," which is kind of cute (and so him).

 

He does not bring a contingent of templars; he comes alone.

 

He does not take her by force; he says she needs to come, and she comes. 

 

Doesn't he even say (kind of posturing) that he COULD come down on the Hawke family for harboring an apostate (which is, in his defense, highly illegal), but he won't.

 

Wow, what an *******! I mean, really? I don't get it.

Maybe I'm losing myself in the double negatives, but he does say something like that. (OK got it, yes, he does say that.) My Hawke gets super aggressive in that scene and they almost throw down until Bethany intervenes. So... if push came to actual shove, I would have expected force to be involved. But, I always feel like my Hawke's righteous anger is almost impotent frustration since it feels like Bethany is ready to go and doesn't want to fight anymore. Overall, Cullen's pretty respectful until my Hawke is a jerk. I imagine most folks are pissed for the same reason my Hawke was. They just don't want Beth to go to the Circle. He's just the object of that anger.


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Doesn't he even say (kind of posturing) that he COULD come down on the Hawke family for harboring an apostate (which is, in his defense, highly illegal), but he won't.

 

Wow, what an *******! I mean, really? I don't get it.

Just rewatched this on Youtube... eh, the way he says the "Consider yourselves fortunate" does come off a bit rude to me, and in the version where you pick the top dialogue option he makes it clear that sparing Hawke the mage-harboring punishment wasn't his decision.



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Maybe I'm losing myself in the double negatives, but he does say something like that. My Hawke gets super aggressive in that scene and they almost throw down until Bethany intervenes. So... if push came to actual shove, I would have expected force to be involved. But, I always feel like my Hawke's righteous anger is almost impotent frustration since it feels like Bethany is ready to go and doesn't want to fight anymore. Overall, Cullen's pretty respectful until my Hawke is a jerk. I imagine most folks are pissed for the same reason my Hawke was. They just don't want Beth to go to the Circle. He's just the object of that anger.

 

Oh okay. I don't think I ever pushed the issue with any of my Hawke's. I'm sure he (Cullen) gets pretty stern and unyielding if you press him on it.

 

I just saw it in one of the many anit-Cullen threads, where someone was arguing that Cullen was not a moderate/is a zealot because of the horrible evil no good very bad Bethany scene. When to me it's pretty much him being the very definition of a moderate.


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Just rewatched this on Youtube... eh, the way he says the "Consider yourselves fortunate" does come off a bit rude to me, and in the version where you pick the top dialogue option he makes it clear that sparing Hawke the mage-harboring punishment wasn't his decision.

 

It is a "little" rude but he's basically a cop in this situation. Cops are rarely polite to criminals lol (which is technically what the Hawke's are here). Actually, I don't consider what he says to be rude (he actually is very polite, and is always polite; it's part of his personality) but more bravado/posturing. "Just so you know... I COULD bring down the hammer if I wanted to..."


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So I have a question for everyone to ponder. Why do some Cullen-detractors claim to hate the Bethany scene? (post-Deep Roads scene when she is taken to the Circle)

 

Cullen is polite and civil, if stern. He calls her "Mistress Bethany," which is kind of cute (and so him).

 

He does not bring a contingent of templars; he comes alone.

 

He does not take her by force; he says she needs to come, and she comes. 

 

Doesn't he even say (kind of posturing) that he COULD come down on the Hawke family for harboring an apostate (which is, in his defense, highly illegal), but he won't.

 

Wow, what an *******! I mean, really? I don't get it.

 

 

Well, I've seen a few posts where people seem to think Bethany was crushing on Cullen (understandable of course!), and I imagine those with little sister issues or 'why can't I romance Bethany' freakiness would take their frustration out on poor Cullen - who was only doing his job after all, as kindly as he could. 


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Shortbread is perfect.

 

...And I wish desperately that one or two of the writers were Australian just so they could possibly compare one of the characters to fairy bread. Fairy bread is boss. Or a Golden Gaytime, which are also boss. Perfect ice cream. /Australian things.  :lol:

 

That and I would just love to sit back and watch the chaos over Golden Gaytimes. 

 

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This made me choke on my coffee - why have I not learned to go beverage free while reading here yet?

 

The uproar over this would be endlessly entertaining, especially if it referred to Iron Bull.



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It is a "little" rude but he's basically a cop in this situation. Cops are rarely polite to criminals lol (which is technically what the Hawke's are here). Actually, I don't consider what he says to be rude (he actually is very polite, and is always polite; it's part of his personality) but more bravado/posturing. "Just so you know... I COULD bring down the hammer if I wanted to..."

Yeah, I think considering that he's a cop in this situation is a good way to look at it. No, he's not all touchy feely in the scene; he's there to do his job. A job he believes in very firmly. And it could very easily go sideways if Hawke does something rash, so I see him also being wary and a little tense. But even when my Hawke wanted to actually punch him and kill every templar present, I still don't think it was Cullen being extra super evil. I mean, compare Cullen in this scene to, say, any scene with Alrik. Cullen's being very professional. 

 

Again, I think pointing to this scene as evil is just pointing to the situation as evil. Cullen is the figurehead of that situation. I think that, even after the end of DA2, he would still believe that the Circle is the proper way to manage the mage threat. Just not a Circle run the way Meredith does it. 


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And since pictures are good!  Here's Cullen about to throw down with my very pissed Hawke. 

 

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(ooooh yeeeaaaah! :wub: )

 

.. and Beth stepping in before I got to hit him. 

 

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It is a "little" rude but he's basically a cop in this situation. Cops are rarely polite to criminals lol (which is technically what the Hawke's are here). Actually, I don't consider what he says to be rude (he actually is very polite, and is always polite; it's part of his personality) but more bravado/posturing. "Just so you know... I COULD bring down the hammer if I wanted to..."

 

Agreed that he's characteristically very polite, that Hawke knows his or her family has been breaking the law, and with the below comment that he's doing a job he believes in. But on a purely irrational, emotional level I can see the whole thing pissing me off if it had happened in my playthrough and I was already predisposed to dislike him for some reason.* Cops may not have to be polite to criminals but criminals don't have to like the cops either. ;) Just playing devil's advocate for the sake of filling my lunch hour. :)

 

*edit: in reality my first reaction to the scene was actually "'Mistress Bethany'? Aww, that's so him"


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LOL Yeah, there's a lot not to like in that scene, if you're not a fan. And, ahem, for a fan, there's also a lot to like.  :D  :P  :lol:



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Yeah, I think considering that he's a cop in this situation is a good way to look at it. No, he's not all touchy feely in the scene; he's there to do his job. A job he believes in very firmly. And it could very easily go sideways if Hawke does something rash, so I see him also being wary and a little tense. But even when my Hawke wanted to actually punch him and kill every templar present, I still don't think it was Cullen being extra super evil. I mean, compare Cullen in this scene to, say, any scene with Alrik. Cullen's being very professional. 

 

Again, I think pointing to this scene as evil is just pointing to the situation as evil. Cullen is the figurehead of that situation. I think that, even after the end of DA2, he would still believe that the Circle is the proper way to manage the mage threat. Just not a Circle run the way Meredith does it. 

 

I ran out of likes before I could like this or your screencaps, R2. :(  But I am one of the ones who found Bethany's demeanor in the scene a bit... crush like. That said, I don't see Cullen as being evil or rude. He's a little bit curt because A) He's there on business and B: Hawke, in some play-throughs, can be a friend by this point so maintaining professionalism is important, lest he seem weak or like he's favoring them. Plus he came himself -that's already a risk for him. He didn't bring a bunch of goons either which tells me he had faith or hope in Hawke to not make things ugly. Now I may be projecting a bit but he likely couldn't ignore the reports anymore. He may not have come if he could have plausibly played stupid but the others were getting wind of Bethany's talents so, as a favor to Hawke, he handled it personally. It's not much of a courtesy considering the circumstances but it exists. I'd also think he was a tad disappointed in Hawke, especially if they were friends or Hawke was helping the Order. The Cullen detractors just see that Cullen came to take Beth when they feel it shouldn't have happened at all. So they blame him rather than the institution he serves. He is only one man, not a revolutionary. Can't topple the oppressors but from a position of power within their ranks, he can change things for the better. He's certainly not the monster Alrik was. He does state that he felt the Circle was supposed to protect the mages as well as the people instead of forsaking the mages entirely. I doubt he'd have to fight for their cause but to the Cullen haters, he's not a moderate until he's letting mages go and giving the Chantry the bird.  :lol:


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He actually did bring at least one other templar with him. You can only see them standing off in the corner of Gameln's shithole for a short moment when Bethany and Cullen are leaving.

 

 

But yeah I saw that scene as little more than a templar doing his job.



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 I'd also think he was a tad disappointed in Hawke, especially if they were friends or Hawke was helping the Order. 

Agree with all of it (well, except maybe the Beth crush... but w/e :P ). But THIS part in particular is something I felt as well. I always feel that Cullen is a rule follower, and suddenly someone he trusts, or at least respects, has been knowingly flouting those rules right in front of his face. That's quite the slap, and yet he's still professional. 

 

So, I could def see him being a little disapproving. Something I also imagine him feeling when he shows up at the end of Best Served Cold, to find Hawke standing over the dead bodies of templars and blood mages. Yeah, Grace caused it all, but I always imagine it was a bit of a shock for Cullen to see the Champion of Kirkwall engaged, in any way, in such an unexpected act of sedition.  


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He actually did bring at least one other templar with him. You can only see them standing off in the corner of Gameln's shithole for a short moment when Bethany and Cullen are leaving.

 

<snip>

 

But yeah I saw that scene as little more than a templar doing his job.

Yeah, I thought there were one or two inside, and I imagined maybe a few more outside.



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He actually did bring at least one other templar with him. You can only see them standing off in the corner of Gameln's shithole for a short moment when Bethany and Cullen are leaving.

 

 

But yeah I saw that scene as little more than a templar doing his job.

 

Ah. My bad. =D But thanks for posting the vid. :wub:



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Really good David Gaider blog post about Dreamcasting for a Dragon Age live-action film


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Really good David Gaider blog post about Dreamcasting for a Dragon Age live-action film

OMG, I love it! Helen Mirren as Flemeth?  Rosario Dawson?? Idris Elba as Duncan???  nomnomnomnom


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Really good David Gaider blog post about Dreamcasting for a Dragon Age live-action film

 

Mr. Gaider gets major points for including Nathan Fillion. I love that guy.


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What is Scotch Bonnet Candy? Does it really have Scotch in it? That sounds like Cullen to me. An aged Scotch. Candy... he's sweeter than you might think. He's a bit of a little boy at times, especially when shy around girls (and my male inquisitor, cough cough).

When I tried to find Scotch Bonnet candy, the link I came up with is a candy store in North Carolina. As it's been stated before, Scotch bonnet is a pepper that sounds like it's in the jalepeno family... very hot even to handle. So my guess would be they take this pepper and cover it in chocolate... which to me sounds like Isabela. :lol: No clue who it might be in DAI though.