Aaahh sarcastic Hawke."Boneless women flopping through the street" that was one of my favourite one-liners.
"Looks like they took him to some hole in the Wounded Coast. I wonder if that's near the Injured Cliffs, or the Limping Hills? Massive Head Trauma Bay? No, just me? Oh, forget I said anything." 
How hot does Cullen look in this outfit! *Fans self*
Wowza! So dashing! So debonair!
Just hope he's not wearing Elizabethan pantaloons with it. Bit of a mood killer, at least for me 
LMAO! Naw, it's a tabard with black trousers and fighting boots!
Wowza! So dashing! So debonair!
Just hope he's not wearing Elizabethan pantaloons with it. Bit of a mood killer, at least for me
LOL TBH, he looks a little too Orlesian turnipy for me.
I agree that I like the new tones better, at least from the description. The sarcastic tone generally worked for my Hawke's personality (and by "worked" I mean "at times was totally socially inappropriate in ways that fit the character") but sometimes it felt like all the options available to Hawke were really... extreme, if that makes sense? Like my character might want to convey displeasure without acting like she was going to disembowel someone as a result, or just let a matter drop without a big sympathetic speech about it, and those options weren't always there for Hawke because tone choices were very differentiated and boxed in.
It seems like these changes - particularly replacing Aggressive with Direct and making non-choice-based responses more neutral - will make the characterization more realistic and allow for a little more subtlety of dialog and player flexibility in how to handle situations.
Yeah, presumably "Clever" will contain all the charming/witty/humorous/smart-mouthed/out-witting lines of dialogue, rather than just out and out humorous/sacrcastic.
Yay, a fellow Aeonar fan! Gotta love that creepy promise of a mages prison!
YES PLEASE!!!!!
I've always wanted to go there too! And what better time than in Inquisition when the mage templar war is going on?
I agree that I like the new tones better, at least from the description. The sarcastic tone generally worked for my Hawke's personality (and by "worked" I mean "at times was totally socially inappropriate in ways that fit the character") but sometimes it felt like all the options available to Hawke were really... extreme, if that makes sense? Like my character might want to convey displeasure without acting like she was going to disembowel someone as a result, or just let a matter drop without a big sympathetic speech about it, and those options weren't always there for Hawke because tone choices were very differentiated and boxed in.
It seems like these changes - particularly replacing Aggressive with Direct and making non-choice-based responses more neutral - will make the characterization more realistic and allow for a little more subtlety of dialog and player flexibility in how to handle situations.
Agree that it should allow for better role playing. For myself, I invariably end up playing a "good guy" so diplomatic usu fits the bill, but I did strangely feel like I couldn't mix it up sometimes, even tho I technically was allowed to. The lack of dominant tone will be good for players like me, so I can just pick whatever response seems to most appropriate for the situation.
Agree that it should allow for better role playing. For myself, I invariably end up playing a "good guy" so diplomatic usu fits the bill, but I did strangely feel like I couldn't mix it up sometimes, even tho I technically was allowed to. The lack of dominant tone will be good for players like me, so I can just pick whatever response seems to most appropriate for the situation.
I kind of had the opposite problem. My Hawke used Sarcastic as her default with most NPCs, but she would often use Diplomatic with Fenris, Leandra, or Carver and sometimes Aggressive with Anders or Merrill. (She actually cared a great deal about Anders and Merrill both, but she was very worried about them so she would try to use tough love.) Because the game interpreted her as primarily snarky, though, she would occasionally take a tone with one of her "exception" NPCs that utterly didn't fit when I wasn't in control of her response.
My most disappointing dialog moment in DA2 was when I didn't get to select tone of the final response to the apology about the ruined night together from Fenris in Act 3, because the game chose wrong and that wasn't what she would have said at all... and it kind of killed the moment for me in what was otherwise probably my favorite scene.
With the non-chosen dialog being neutral in tone instead of trying to match dominant tone, I won't have to worry as much about that happening.
I kind of had the opposite problem. My Hawke used Sarcastic as her default with most NPCs, but she would often use Diplomatic with Fenris, Leandra, or Carver and sometimes Aggressive with Anders or Merrill. (She actually cared a great deal about Anders and Merrill both, but she was very worried about them so she would try to use tough love.) Because the game interpreted her as primarily snarky, though, she would occasionally take a tone with one of her "exception" NPCs that utterly didn't fit when I wasn't in control of her response.
My most disappointing dialog moment in DA2 was when I didn't get to select tone of the final response to the apology about the ruined night together from Fenris in Act 3, because the game chose wrong and that wasn't what she would have said at all... and it kind of killed the moment for me in what was otherwise probably my favorite scene.
With the non-chosen dialog being neutral in tone instead of trying to match dominant tone, I won't have to worry as much about that happening.
Was it the 'I always understood' line? Because that really annoyed me too.
I wanted her to say that line, because she did understand... but because I'd made her be sarcastic too many times, she made some joke about holding it over his head and I was thinking, "Shut up, Hawke, this is not the time!" 
Which would be in-character for her when she was talking to anyone else, but not to Fenris because she was pretty careful about his feelings.
I wanted her to say that line, because she did understand... but because I'd made her be sarcastic too many times, she made some joke about holding it over his head and I was thinking, "Shut up, Hawke, this is not the time!"
Really? I was also a sarcastic Hawke when I romanced Fenris, but my Hawke didn't get that line. Would have loved that line.
Gotcha, and this is exactly why I prefer neutral! Different players interpret their characters differently even when we're using the same dominant tone. 
Gotcha, and this is exactly why I prefer neutral! Different players interpret their characters differently even when we're using the same dominant tone.
Why go neutral when you could have a tone wheel! Whoooooo!
Here's hoping it doesn't suck.
Oh, absolutely, I'm pro-tone wheel whenever possible!
I just think that realistically, there are always going to be occasional lines not under the player's control, and I would rather have them be open to multiple interpretations.
Gotcha, and this is exactly why I prefer neutral! Different players interpret their characters differently even when we're using the same dominant tone.
Agreed! I like the idea of being able to make a character who's attitude changes as she/he becomes more battle hardened, or play a character who's mood changes constantly, LOL. The possibilities are endless, really.
Was it the 'I always understood' line? Because that really annoyed me too.
I'm sorry, the worst romance line in the entire game is when Hawke says something like "I want you right here with me..until we die!" to Anders. I absolutely wanted to puke when my Hawke said that. It throws off the entire Anders romance for me...
Why go neutral when you could have a tone wheel! Whoooooo!
Here's hoping it doesn't suck.
Oh I'm so going to enjoy the tone wheel!I'm going to make a constantly enraged inquisitor for the fun of it,now an option to flip tables would be great!
I'm sorry, the worst romance line in the entire game is when Hawke says something like "I want you right here with me..until we die!" to Anders. I absolutely wanted to puke when my Hawke said that. It throws off the entire Anders romance for me...
No kidding! Esp when I really only slept with Anders at the time because I was rebounding from Fenris. I kept trying to diffuse the drama and give the "I'm just not that into you" vibe (but still be nice). I even used the sandwich line. But then next thing you know, I'm letting him move in and drawing my lines from a telenovela! Jeesh.
edit: Altho, Hawke's flirts with Sebastian are up there, too...
p.s. Yup, I'm doing it again: staring at your avatar. Sounds like I'm headed for romancing Cassandra if we get to! 
p.s. Yup, I'm doing it again: staring at your avatar. Sounds like I'm headed for romancing Cassandra if we get to!
I'm in the minority then 
I loved the personalities. I loved how my strong and steady Hawke passionately told Fenris that he had always understood. And I loved that my snarky little sh!t of a Hawke had that little comment about about holding it over Fenris' head or was it that he could get used to hearing that (i.e. Fenris saying he's sorry or that he loves him)? Either way, it was perfect for both those guys and made them feel unique.
I was upset at first that they'd gotten rid of that, but I've had time to let it sink in, and now I've accepted that that was just something that made my dear Hawke's so special. I can look back on it fondly. Time to look forward to new experiences with my inquisitors
I'm still anxious/worried about the "neutral tone/options" or whatever it is; a bland inquisitor without a personality would break my heart and possibly kill the game for me (it's why I'm not a huge fan of DA:O), but we'll see what happens.
I'm willing to bet money we will get a Cassandra romance. If Gaider's writing two LIs, they should probably just go ahead and officially confirm it.
But making Vivienne THAT beautiful? If she's not a LI, that will the biggest trollmance since Sebastian, (even if he is my canon romance).
*sob* Don't you even suggest that!!!
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