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[Xilizhra]

OMG They seriously f***ed one of the aspects of the game players care about most. Sheesh.

But in a way that disproved Zevran favoritism.

[LolaLei]

OMG They seriously f***ed one of the aspects of the game players care about most. Sheesh.

After the way everyone kicked off about the romance flags not popping correctly I think they learnt their lesson, LOL! That's another reason why we have the DA Keep now, so that we won't go in with our pitch forks again!

[Owlfruit Potion]

If you're Alistair's mistress Teagan mentions to Alistair that the Warden is there to "see" him (but more subtle than that), Alistair gets a bit tongue tied and makes his excuses to Hawke so that he can leave to go see her.

 

Do you know of a video? I just got the "She has a name, you know!" thing that you get for an unromanced Alistair.

 

But then, while I got the "I knew an Amell once" bit, I also never got the little addendum to Cullen's codex about the mage warden... *sniff*

[coldwetn0se]

The bugs (if this hasn't already been mentioned....sorry for repeating if it has), for Zevran and Alistair are in the import flags from DAO/DAA, which is why they were never fixed. Little things like this (and I do so love the little things ) are what have me so pleased with the implementation of The Keep. Especially when I abuse the hell out of the Gibb editor for ME, just for things like this.

[Potato Cat]

If you're Alistair's mistress Teagan mentions to Alistair that the Warden is there to "see" him (but more subtle than that), Alistair gets a bit tongue tied and makes his excuses to Hawke so that he can leave to go see her.

Oh, well that definitely sounds bugged for me then.

[LolaLei]

Do you know of a video? I just got the "She has a name, you know!" thing that you get for an unromanced Alistair.

But then, while I got the "I knew an Amell once" bit, I also never got the little addendum to Cullen's codex about the mage warden... *sniff*

I'll have a look for it in the morning, cos I'm in bed now, lol.

I only ever got that extra blurb in Cullen's codex entry once, then there was some sort of update and I never got it again. I only ever got the line about Anders leaving his socks everywhere once, too.

[thats1evildude]

My issues stem from the fact that every single lesbian relationship in Dragon Age has ended badly, more often than not by betrayal.

 

As I've stated before, I think you're seeing patterns where there are none. The majority of relationships, period, end badly in Dragon Age. Hell, this very thread is dedicated to a character who, had he not been imported to DA2, goes completely batshit after his unrequited love is used as a tool by demons to torment him.

 

That the romantic casaulties of Thedas include the few lesbian relationships portrayed in the game is merely a consequence of the setting being generally shitty to its inhabitants, not the result of any bias.

 

Let's say I'm out target shooting one day. I set up nine empty Coke cans and one empty Pepsi can on a fence and then shoot eight of the Coke cans and the single Pepsi can before I run out of bullets. Would you then say that I have some overwhelming hatred of the Pepsi brand because I shot 100 per cent of the Pepsi cans? What about the 80 per cent (give or take) of Coke cans that I put a bullet through?

 

I would also note that, in the case of both Marjorlaine and Branka, their relationship is presented as their one humanizing factor, and the moment they discard their lovers to their paranoia/obsessions marks their transition to Complete Monster status. Leliana's Song is more or less neutral to Marjolaine up until the point that she stabs Leliana in the back and lets her be captured. I wouldn't necessarily choose to interpret that as 'All lesbian relationships are doomed to end in evil" so much as I would say "Evil destroyed these otherwise happy lesbian relationships."

 

On that note, I really think it's a bit silly to assume that because the Warden and Leliana are separate at the end of DA2 means that they have been separated. What if the Warden was captured by the Big Bad of DAI, or some other antagonist? What if the Warden - one of the most capable heroes in the entire world - is on a mission that necessitated dropping off the radar for a while? Just because the Warden and Leliana aren't welded at the hip doesn't mean their love has ended, and I'm saying that as a player whose canon romance from the DAO is Leliana.

 

EDIT: We can say 'shitty' and 'batshit' now? Cool.

[Tinu]

How do you guys read the preview of the book? :'( 

[alwayshungry]

How do you guys read the preview of the book? :'( 

It's not available anymore. Probably because of the spoilers?

[CuriousArtemis]

AHHHHHH I read all the spoilers in the spoiler thread I'm freaking out and sooo excited for the game. Here's hoping the elves play a LARGE part in DA:I. And I may actually read this book, if it has this much elfy-ness in it.

[Xilizhra]

As I've stated before, I think you're seeing patterns where there are none. The majority of relationships, period, end badly in Dragon Age. Hell, this very thread is dedicated to a character who, had he not been imported to DA2, goes completely batshit after his unrequited love is used as a tool by demons to torment him.

 

That the romantic casaulties of Thedas include the few lesbian relationships portrayed in the game is merely a consequence of the setting being generally shitty to its inhabitants, not the result of any bias.

 

Let's say I'm out target shooting one day. I set up nine empty Coke cans and one empty Pepsi can on a fence and then shoot eight of the Coke cans and the single Pepsi can before I run out of bullets. Would you then say that I have some overwhelming hatred of the Pepsi brand because I shot 100 per cent of the Pepsi cans? What about the 80 per cent (give or take) of Coke cans that I put a bullet through?

 

I would also note that, in the case of both Marjorlaine and Branka, their relationship is presented as their one humanizing factor, and the moment they discard their lovers to their paranoia/obsessions marks their transition to Complete Monster status. Leliana's Song is more or less neutral to Marjolaine up until the point that she stabs Leliana in the back and lets her be captured. I wouldn't necessarily choose to interpret that as 'All lesbian relationships are doomed to end in evil" so much as I would say "Evil destroyed these otherwise happy lesbian relationships."

 

And I really think it's a bit silly to assume that because the Warden and Leliana are separate at the end of DA2 means that they have been separated. What if the Warden was captured by the Big Bad of DAI, or some other antagonist? What if the Warden - one of the most capable heroes in the entire world - is on a mission that necessitated dropping off the radar for a while? Just because the Warden and Leliana aren't welded at the hip doesn't mean their love has ended, and I'm saying that as a player whose canon romance from the DAO is Leliana.

 

EDIT: We can say 'shitty' and 'batshit' now? Cool.

I might have cared, were it not for the fact that there are good-ending straight relationships (and even one male gay one) as a counterbalance, whereas there are no lesbian ones at all. There's a pattern regardless of who chooses to see it.

 

Your Coke analogy also fails, firstly because the ratio is off, but also because it would be trivially easy for Bioware to shift this pattern here so as to make it not look like they're singling anyone out.

[Potato Cat]

AHHHHHH I read all the spoilers in the spoiler thread I'm freaking out and sooo excited for the game. Here's hoping the elves play a LARGE part in DA:I. And I may actually read this book, if it has this much elfy-ness in it.

Yeah I know! It seems great!

I have no idea how my Elfquisitor is going to react to these characters, should the conflict continue on into DAI.

[thats1evildude]

I might have cared, were it not for the fact that there are good-ending straight relationships (and even one male gay one) as a counterbalance, whereas there are no lesbian ones at all. There's a pattern regardless of who chooses to see it.

 

Your Coke analogy also fails, firstly because the ratio is off, but also because it would be trivially easy for Bioware to shift this pattern here so as to make it not look like they're singling anyone out.

 

Yes, well, claiming that "at least you guys get Aveline/Donnic and Isolde/Teagan" ignores the fact that both of these relationships fail without the PC's support. Isolde dies in a blood magic ritual unless the Warden goes out of their way to save her, and Aveline never marries Donnic unless Hawke puts in the work to bring them together. Hell, we can even presume that Wade/Herren die at the Vigil unless the Warden burns Amaranthine/puts in the effort to fortify the Keep.

 

Do you glean my meaning here? The only way love works in Dragon Age is if a godlike entity from outside the setting (ie. the player) specifically intervenes to make it work. That kind of says something about this general crappiness of this world, doesn't it?

[Tinu]

It's not available anymore. Probably because of the spoilers?

 

Oh ok. Thanks for the heads up! 

[alwayshungry]

Oh ok. Thanks for the heads up! 

You're welcome!

[CuriousArtemis]

Yeah I know! It seems great!

I have no idea how my Elfquisitor is going to react to these characters, should the conflict continue on into DAI.

 

Yeah I think it will depend on where we come from, like, which clan are we from and are we familiar with... the stuff in the book. Then again, the racial additions were a last minute add-on, and as I understand it, the game was kind of made with the human quizzy in mind. So I'm concerned us being Dalish might not really matter

[Xilizhra]

 

Yes, well, claiming that "at least you guys get Aveline/Donnic and Isolde/Teagan" ignores the fact that both of these relationships fail without the PC's support. Isolde dies in a blood magic ritual unless the Warden goes out of their way to save her, and Aveline never marries Donnic unless Hawke puts in the work to bring them together. Hell, we can even presume that Wade/Herren die at the Vigil unless the Warden burns Amaranthine/puts in the effort to fortify the Keep.

 

Do you glean my meaning here? The only way love works in Dragon Age is if a godlike entity from outside the setting (ie. the player) specifically intervenes to make it work. That kind of says something about this general crappiness of this world, doesn't it?

 

The claim of player intervention being needed to save it means nothing when none of the lesbian ones can be saved at all. If the player could help some of these, it'd be better... but they can't.

[CuriousArtemis]

Guys, imagine Dalish quizzy taking Cullen home to meet the family.

 

Quizzy: *introduces Cullen to the Keeper*

Cullen: *bows* Your Majesty...!

Quizzy: *facepalm*

[CuriousArtemis]

Picture a romance scene where Cullen talks about how much he likes your quizzy's tattoos. He even traces them delicately with his finger. I'm over-thinking this. How am I getting all this from a book I haven't read. That has nothing to do with Cullen or our inquisitor.

[thats1evildude]

The claim of player intervention being needed to save it means nothing when none of the lesbian ones can be saved at all. If the player could help some of these, it'd be better... but they can't.

 

And the majority of straight relationships can't be saved either. I can't stop Duncan from killing Jory and leaving his wife a widow and his child without a father. I can't keep Oghren's relationship with Felsi from falling apart, despite playing Cupid in the first game. No matter when I get to the Blackmarsh, I can't save Kristoff, or any other NPC from Awakening who's involved in any kind of romantic relationship. (Seriously, it happens a lot.)

 

And from DA2 there's Leandra/Malcolm, Grace/Decimus, Pol/that one Dalish girl, Quentin/his wife, that Tranquil mage/her elven lover and Ghyslain/Ninette. Nothing Hawke does can save these people.

 

If lesbian relationships constituted half or even a quarter of the relationships in the game and they all ended in HORRIBLE DEATH, I'd concede you have a point. But really, there are only two (well, three if you include Dorothea/Marjolaine, which really wasn't a relationship) outside of any relationships started by the player. And those, as I said earlier, were generally presented as positive until one partner decided to screw over the other. I support featuring more lesbian relationships, but I disagree that we need to cry 'BIAS!' because this crappy setting is crappy to the people in it.

 

Anyways, that's all I'll say on the subject, as neither of us can convince the other of his/her point and I don't want to disrupt the Cullen-y goodness.

[Xilizhra]

 

And the majority of straight relationships can't be saved either. I can't stop Duncan from killing Jory and leaving his wife a widow and his child without a father. I can't keep Oghren's relationship with Felsi from falling apart, despite playing Cupid in the first game. No matter when I get to the Blackmarsh, I can't save Kristoff, or any other NPC from Awakening who's involved in any kind of romantic relationship. (Seriously, it happens a lot.)

 

I would also note that Aveline/Donnic is the only significant NPC relationship in all of Dragon 2. Seriously, think about the entire cast of DA2. How many of them were married or had a boyfriend/girlfriend? There's not too damn many - Leandra/Malcolm, Grace/Decimus, Pol/that one Dalish girl, Quentin/his wife, and Ghyslain/Ninette. And the majority of them end in tragedy.

 

That's all I'll say on the subject, as neither of us can convince the other of his/her point.

 

The point is proportions and ratios within each orientation, not absolute numbers.

[R2s Muse]

God dammit. He pretty much just spoiled the entire damn thing. Amazon really should have put a damn cap on far people can read. This is absolutely ridiculous.

 

That seriously pisses me off.

 

As someone else mentioned, it seems like this was a mistake of some kind. Now that I'm finally home from work,  I can't see the inside of the book any more.  Just the blurb posted in the book description. Ah well, just a few more weeks! (and at least we know! Cullen ain't in it!  unless he goes by some other name... "The Templar Without a Name") 

[Hellion Rex]

Why are we arguing this guys? What purpose does it serve?

[R2s Muse]

It was obvious where THIS was heading... LOL 

 

 

 

Sheryl Chee ‏@SherylChee 1h
@bengelinas is editing my words to Justin Timberlake. #nooo

 

Natalie S. ‏@stumpynat 1h
@SherylChee @bengelinas Ugh. When all of your characters magically have Justin Timberlake hair we will blame Ben.

 

Sheryl Chee ‏@SherylChee 1h

@stumpynat @bengelinas @tasmen Hey, have you guys seen the gif with Cullen as Justin Timberlake?

 

Cori Nicole May ‏@genevrael Protected Tweets 1h
@SherylChee @stumpynat @bengelinas @tasmen No, but I want it.

 

Sheryl Chee ‏@SherylChee 1h
@genevrael @stumpynat @bengelinas @tasmen http://media.tumblr....mG4J1qkxyqg.gif … Your wish, dear madam, is my command.

[Hellion Rex]

It was obvious where THIS was heading... LOL 

 

 

 

Sheryl Chee ‏@SherylChee 1h
@bengelinas is editing my words to Justin Timberlake. #nooo

 

Natalie S. ‏@stumpynat 1h
@SherylChee @bengelinas Ugh. When all of your characters magically have Justin Timberlake hair we will blame Ben.

 

Sheryl Chee ‏@SherylChee 1h

@stumpynat @bengelinas @tasmen Hey, have you guys seen the gif with Cullen as Justin Timberlake?

 

Cori Nicole May ‏@genevrael Protected Tweets 1h
@SherylChee @stumpynat @bengelinas @tasmen No, but I want it.

 

Sheryl Chee ‏@SherylChee 1h
@genevrael @stumpynat @bengelinas @tasmen http://media.tumblr....mG4J1qkxyqg.gif … Your wish, dear madam, is my command.

Dat pelvic thrust doe