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#77401
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Aw maaaaan, and I won't get to see him because Alistair had to go kill him.
 
... I couldn't ever sacrifice Alistair though, the man is perfection.

Harden Alistair, combine the marriage with Anora, spare Loghain. Nobody dies, and Ferelden still has the best outcome (in my opinion) for the throne.
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Harden Alistair, combine the marriage with Anora, spare Loghain. Nobody dies, and Ferelden still has the best outcome (in my opinion) for the throne.


My canon has Loghain dead, but with King Alistair and Queen Anora and the Most Bestest And Prettiest, Handpicked Royal Mistress Of The King Tabris. Who may also be Bann of the Alienage if that causes Shianni to die. But that's less important/impressive than my made up title.

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Honey, I can keep this up all day

 

MORE NSFW. Enjoy!

 

Spoiler

LOL! That middle one!


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Harden Alistair, combine the marriage with Anora, spare Loghain. Nobody dies, and Ferelden still has the best outcome (in my opinion) for the throne.

 

OH HELL NAW!

 

In my canon playthrough Alistair stays as a Warden and romances my Amell. I prefer him as a Warden, plus I wouldn't want her to be a mistress, she doesn't settle for being second best... well, that and she's supposed to be me, and I'd refuse point blank to be anyone's mistress, LOL! I also wouldn't wanna be a Queen/princess either, sounds dull.


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My canon has Alistair on the throne, Anora in the dungeon :P, and Loghain missing his head :lol:


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My canon has Loghain dead, but with King Alistair and Queen Anora and the Most Bestest And Prettiest, Handpicked Royal Mistress Of The King Tabris. Who may also be Bann of the Alienage if that causes Shianni to die. But that's less important/impressive than my made up title.


I actually don't know if Loghain will be alive of dead in my canon: I roleplayed a Cousland that (wrongly) believed that Loghain was involved in the Cousland massacre; I played both choices in sparing (he overcome his desire of revenge and decided to prioritize the Wardens' mission) and killing Loghain (he let his desire of revenge overcome him). I liked both, and I've yet to decide which choice I should use.

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OH HELL NAW!
 
In my canon playthrough Alistair stays as a Warden and romances my Amell. I prefer him as a Warden, plus I wouldn't want her to be a mistress, she doesn't settle for being second best... well, that and she's supposed to be me, and I'd refuse point blank to be anyone's mistress, LOL! I also wouldn't wanna be a Queen/princess either, sounds dull.

Heh, my Warden was a male Cousland, and in that choice he wanted to consider the best for Ferelden, which (in my opinion) is having both on the throne.

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I always put Alistair on the throne, hardened, with my Male Amell as his top advisor (screw you, Eamon). However, I might use the Keep to place Anora with him. Loghain always loses his head though.


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That would be a nice thing to see, says the pro-templar fan.  :D I think it's high time they spend some time humanizing the templars, TBH.

 

Humanizing the templars would definitely make me happy!

 

I'm hesitant to describe my position as either pro-templar or pro-mage because those labels tend to conjure up the most extreme positions possible, and I'm pretty middle of the road with both sides having their good points and bad points. In both games I chose the pro-mage final option when I had to make a choice because "kill them all" is bad regardless of who the "them all" is.

 

Okay, with that said... In terms of which side I actually relate to, though? Definitely the templar. I can make intellectual arguments for pro-mage, but the templar position is more intuitive to me due to real life factors starting long before I began playing the games. (My friend once described me as "the closest thing to a templar that exists in real life."  :P Which still isn't all that close but you get the idea.) It's really hard for me to avoid putting myself in the protective oversight mindset when I'm doing that in the real world for a huge chunk of my day.

 

So there you have it, cards on the table.  ;) I'm all for templars being humanized.

 

I don't know, I like the idea of the religion aspects remaining partly mysterious. Especially when there's a huge difference between, say, the Chantry and the religion itself, and I would personally hate to see the religion and Maker, for example, made into something ultimately bad like I've seen quite a number of people demand.  

 

Yeah, to me a world with different religious interpretations, and with people using religion for good or ill based more on their own agendas than than the religion itself, is a more realistic world.

 

It also gives the players more scope to develop our own characters through their religious views. Religion can be a major part of how someone sees the world. My devoutly Andrastian mage Inquisitor would be a much different person (not worse or better, just different) without that element of individual faith. 

 

If the developers provided evidence of objective truth one way or another, it limits how we can personalize our own characters. Disclaimer: Obviously just my opinion, blah blah blah.

 

I don't even really understand why religious people promote this sort of thing IRL, as one would logically think that if you believe in something, you'd love to see it actually proven right and being vindicated.

 

For me, having my beliefs proven objectively right isn't necessary and wouldn't add anything. Feeling "vindicated" that I was right and others were wrong seems kind of like misplaced pride to me. *shrug*

 

My canon has Alistair on the throne, Anora in the dungeon  :P, and Loghain missing his head  :lol:

 

Mine too. My Warden is also married to Alistair/queen of Ferelden.

 

OK, will you people please stop saying such interesting things... I actually have to work now... ahem.   <_<

 

Yeah, I have to work too, could you people please try to be a little more boring for the next 10 or so hours please and thanks!  ;)


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I always put Alistair on the throne, hardened, with my Male Amell as his top advisor (screw you, Eamon). However, I might use the Keep to place Anora with him. Loghain always loses his head though.

Yeah, no matter what else I do, Alistair's always the king (I don't think Anora would make a *bad* queen, necessarily), Loghain's always executed. (Which, now that I think about it, is odd, considering the fact that I usually let another *cough* mass murderer*cough* live in DA2. Now I'm gonna have to try to let Loghain live on my next playthrough.) 



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The "canon" I'm going to go with for the Keep (I can't stand replaying even great games) is Alistair and my female Amell staying Grey Wardens, but in my actual playthrough my Warden chose being Teyrna of Gwaren as her boon in the hopes that Alistair would marry her instead of trying to keep her as his mistress if she had a noble title. It's too bad they had no way of addressing how the "mage with a title" thing works out / that the boons are mostly meaningless.



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@TreeHuggerHannah, I too tend not to say which side I am. And if I do, I always establish I'm not really anti-mage first, then that I'm pro-Qunari/Templar, (depending on the situation/scenario/general hostility levels to the Qunari in the thread, because people can get REALLY pissy about it for some reason). My canon does support the Templars at the end of DA2, even though I do generally disagree with the Rite Of Annulment, and that Hawke was actually a mage, because she truly believes in Andraste's teachings and in a compromise and she thinks if the citizens of Kirkwall see her helping the Templars, it may not all be lost like Anders wanted. I also make Anders help. Because I can. And I hate him too much not to enact my poetic justice.

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Okay yeah! Convinced Corypheus/Grey Wardens are the main antagonists of DAI!

http://dragonage.wik...ge:_Last_Flight

Always thought whoever came up with drinking Archdemon blood in the first place must have been a big villain.
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Okay yeah! Convinced Corypheus/Grey Wardens are the main antagonists of DAI!

http://dragonage.wik...ge:_Last_Flight

Always thought whoever came up with drinking Archdemon blood in the first place must have been a big villain.

Huh? And this is set right after the Fourth Blight, I thought.



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I'm hesitant to describe my position as either pro-templar or pro-mage because those labels tend to conjure up the most extreme positions possible, and I'm pretty middle of the road with both sides having their good points and bad points. 

To perhaps be more clear, I'm not talking about the "pro-templar" or "pro-mage" positions in DA2. I mean pro-templar as in around these parts, we generally don't hate the templars. So, I'm not describing myself as someone who always kicked Keran to the curb and supported Meredith's rants and purge of the Gallows. 


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Okay yeah! Convinced Corypheus/Grey Wardens are the main antagonists of DAI!

http://dragonage.wik...ge:_Last_Flight

Always thought whoever came up with drinking Archdemon blood in the first place must have been a big villain.

Huh? And this is set right after the Fourth Blight, I thought.

Yeeah, now I'm confused, too. The description makes it sound like it's set after Fifth Blight, and she's just researching the Fourth Blight.  I don't think you could describe any of the previous Archdemons as being "defeated with relative ease." 



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Huh? And this is set right after the Fourth Blight, I thought.


Part of the Joining is that they consume the blood of the darkspawn, some Archdemon blood and lyrium. It's always struck me as odd that they came up with this. Like the first guy to milk a cow. Or stick a thermometer up their bum.

And that's just part of the reason I don't really trust Wardens. Even though this takes place after the Fourth Blight and everything, it could be a conspiracy from the foundings of the Wardens.
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Some here have kept their secrets relatively well... but they have hidden regrettable things indeed.

 

Also, I think my canon Dalish will... have not yet decided. Either Alistair alive and alone or Loghain will survive and Alistair and Anora will marry.



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Yeeah, now I'm confused, too. The description makes it sound like it's set after Fifth Blight, and she's just researching the Fourth Blight.  I don't think you could describe any of the previous Archdemons as being "defeated with relative ease." 

Well, Mike Laidlaw tweeted about it with the hashtag #setinthepast, so we know it's not anything recent. Plus, the Fourth Blight ended in 5:24, so we have a range of nearly 400 years that this novel could cover.


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Part of the Joining is that they consume the blood of the darkspawn, some Archdemon blood and lyrium. It's always struck me as odd that they came up with this. Like the first guy to milk a cow. Or stick a thermometer up their bum.

And that's just part of the reason I don't really trust Wardens. Even though this takes place after the Fourth Blight and everything, it could be a conspiracy from the foundings of the Wardens.

I think that the original Wardens had a magister or someone of equal magical caliber help them to create the potion. Now, I think that they did this blindly, having no idea what would work and what wouldn't. If anything, there are probably some unintended consequences about Archdemon blood that *nobody* knew about at all, and this might be part of the problems the Wardens face today. After all, Urthemiel was only awakened when the Architect attempted to introduce Grey Warden blood to it.



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I think that the original Wardens had a magister or someone of equal magical caliber help them to create the potion. Now, I think that they did this blindly, having no idea what would work and what wouldn't. If anything, there are probably some unintended consequences about Archdemon blood that *nobody* knew about at all, and this might be part of the problems the Wardens face today. After all, Urthemiel was only awakened when the Architect attempted to introduce Grey Warden blood to it.


Yeah and it was suggested by some weird tribal guy who's culture believed you gain the abilities of what you eat. Which is weird as far as I'm concerned. Cow milking weird.

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Yeah and it was suggested by some weird tribal guy who's culture believed you gain the abilities of what you eat. Which is weird as far as I'm concerned. Cow milking weird.

Indeed. To be honest, at this point though, they had to be desperate. They had no idea how to kill the Archdemon, who could body-hop, and so they would do anything to end Dumat.



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To perhaps be more clear, I'm not talking about the "pro-templar" or "pro-mage" positions in DA2. I mean pro-templar as in around these parts, we generally don't hate the templars. So, I'm not describing myself as someone who always kicked Keran to the curb and supported Meredith's rants and purge of the Gallows. 

 

I'm pro-"rich, complex, and beautifully-written characters." :lol:


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To perhaps be more clear, I'm not talking about the "pro-templar" or "pro-mage" positions in DA2. I mean pro-templar as in around these parts, we generally don't hate the templars. So, I'm not describing myself as someone who always kicked Keran to the curb and supported Meredith's rants and purge of the Gallows. 

Scared me there, dear. I'd have to put on my pro-mage robes and grab my staff.



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Maybe this new Warden related novel will reveal some dark things about the Warden's that'll be relevant in DAI? Like practices or hidden things that come to light in Thedas' current situation? Especially if we are to actually have a Grey Warden companion.


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