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[R2s Muse]

What? You're not some sort of 1950's sitcom housewife?! Illusion. Shattered.

W-what're you saying??? Thread Mom has two twin beds in her bedroom. And one foot firmly on the floor. 

[Hellion Rex]

But in Asunder, wasn't he a mage brought to the tower and forgotten about?

That was the original child called Cole. This is the spiritual entity that absorbed that child's memories and appearance, becoming what we know as "Cole".

[R2s Muse]

That was the original child called Cole. This is the spiritual entity that absorbed that child's memories and appearance, becoming what we know as "Cole".

LOL "spiritual entity" is probably about as a precise a term as we should use! 

 

And, yeah, leak def called Cole a rogue... but then... :shrug: Man, who knows anymore. But if Cole is in, then yeah, I guess DG would be his writer. Actually, whoever the Asunder character is. There's still a small part of me that hopes it's Evangeline. 

 

[littlenikki]

That was the original child called Cole. This is the spiritual entity that absorbed that child's memories and appearance, becoming what we know as "Cole".

 

Still, he would still technically be a mage though right? When Justice joined with Anders, he still remained a mage even though Justice was a warrior in Awakening.

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah, I would love to see Evangeline or Rhys.

[Hellion Rex]

Still, he would still technically be a mage though right? When Justice joined with Anders, he still remained a mage even though Justice was a warrior in Awakening.

Except this isn't possession. The child itself died, and only the spirit remained. It was a pure spirit that could keep itself grounded in the mortal plane through the killing of others. So he could have magical elements about him, but that doesn't mean he's a mage.

[littlenikki]

Yeah, I would love to see Evangeline or Rhys.

 

If it's like a cameo or NPC role, yea me too. It was never confirmed that the Asunder character was a companion after all. No Evangeline companion though, as that would take up the third warrior role and I'm still clinging desperately to the hope that Cullen is the third warrior 

[Potato Cat]

No! Cool as she is, you'd all hate to see Evangeline that...similar to Cullen...tart!

[littlenikki]

Except this isn't possession. The child itself died, and only the spirit remained. It was a pure spirit that could keep itself grounded in the mortal plane through the killing of others. So he could have magical elements about him, but that doesn't mean he's a mage.

 

Ahhh ok, I had mistaken it as a possession similar to Justice/Anders. In that case yea he would def lean more towards the rogue role. 

[R2s Muse]

Still, he would still technically be a mage though right? When Justice joined with Anders, he still remained a mage even though Justice was a warrior in Awakening.

I think all Cole is a demon/spirit/spiritual entity, without the host body. He just disappeared when Lambert used the Litany of Adrala on him. So I dunno. I guess I figured they called him a rogue in the leaked survey because of his 'now you see him, now you don't, wait who are we talking about' gig. 

[CuriousArtemis]

On, and as Muse said I don't think he said that he wrote just two companions.

 

Obviously not but I am speculating that it's unlikely that he's writing three full companions, especially since he gave up writing novels since he's already overworked as head writer!

[Hellion Rex]

No! Cool as she is, you'd all hate to see Evangeline that...similar to Cullen...tart!

We mean as an important NPC, not a companion. Chill, my dear.

[CuriousArtemis]

But in Asunder, wasn't he a mage brought to the tower and forgotten about?

 

Edit: As far as Dorian being a companion (not sure where this came from either but like I said I am woefully behind on gossip) I'm assuming he would be a LI, as would Solas. Really don't think they'd make two male LI companions as the same class, they seem to favor different classes for each same gender LI, right?

 

1. Yeah, that's the thing about Cole; god knows what he truly is!

 

2. GOOD POINT. Even if Dorian is in, NO WAY he and Solas are both LIs.

[Hellion Rex]

I think all Cole is a demon/spirit/spiritual entity, without the host body. He just disappeared when Lambert used the Litany of Adrala on him. So I dunno. I guess I figured they called him a rogue in the leaked survey because of his 'now you see him, now you don't, wait who are we talking about' gig. 

He was using blood magic through the killing of others to stay grounded on the mortal plane. Lambert reading the Litany disrupted that, dispelling Cole's link to the mortal world, making him disappear (presumably back to the Fade)

[CuriousArtemis]

That was the original child called Cole. This is the spiritual entity that absorbed that child's memories and appearance, becoming what we know as "Cole".

 

We don't know 100% if that's what happened though.

[Hellion Rex]

1. Yeah, that's the thing about Cole; god knows what he truly is!

My guess is Spirit of Mercy or Despair, based upon how he remained with the orignal Cole, and granted a mercifcul death to those other mages.

 

Either way, he is a totally new spirit, the likes of which we have never seen, and he seems pretty damn powerful.

[R2s Muse]

Obviously not but I am speculating that it's unlikely that he's writing three full companions, especially since he gave up writing novels since he's already overworked as head writer!

It's possible he wrote two and then the rewrite came along. :shrug: hard to say. I just remember we had this conversation when he was tweeting about all that, it seems plausible to me. Man, who knows. 

[Hellion Rex]

We don't know 100% if that's what happened though.

Based on what he told Lambert at the end, it explains why he had always thought he was the original Cole.

[CuriousArtemis]

My guess is Spirit of Mercy or Despair, based upon how he remained with the orignal Cole, and granted a mercifcul death to those other mages.

 

Either way, he is a totally new spirit, the likes of which we have never seen, and he seems pretty damn powerful.

 

I still feel we don't know 100% if he is just a spirit....

[CuriousArtemis]

It's possible he wrote two and then the rewrite came along. :shrug: hard to say. I just remember we had this conversation when he was tweeting about all that, it seems plausible to me. Man, who knows. 

 

What was the rewrite issue again?

 

So you're thinking the rewrite was his 2nd LI?

 

So Cass and Cole would be his first two companions, then he had to do a rewrite of a third, and that became his second LI?

[Hellion Rex]

I still feel we don't know 100% if he is just a spirit....

Indeed. He could very well be some kind of anomaly. I think he is a spirit, just a different sort never encountered before.

[R2s Muse]

He was using blood magic through the killing of others to stay grounded on the mortal plane. Lambert reading the Litany disrupted that, dispelling Cole's link to the mortal world, making him disappear (presumably back to the Fade)

TBH it's still not clear to me why the Litany worked on him and how blood magic and the 'mind control' aspect came into it. But regardless disappear == no host body in my book! LOL 

 

"who's there?"

"nobody. I mean, no body. Mr Boddy's body. It's gone!" 

 

/end eighties movie flashback mode

[CuriousArtemis]

Based on what he told Lambert at the end, it explains why he had always thought he was the original Cole.

 

I don't want to waste time arguing about Cole... but I will say that I don't consider Cole a good judge of even himself; he is not a stable individual. He's not a reliable third person limited narrator either. 

 

So for me the jury is still out on what Cole is.

[The Elder King]

I guess that he can be something else, but it'd fit if it was a spirit of mercy corrupted in a demon of despair (by Cole's negative emotions, fear). And it seems he feeds on the despair and terror of his victims.
The interesting part, to me, is that the memory loss might have made the demon more 'human' not interested in just killing and dominating mortals.

[Hellion Rex]

TBH it's still not clear to me why the Litany worked on him and how blood magic and the 'mind control' aspect came into it. But regardless disappear == no host body in my book! LOL 

 

"who's there?"

"nobody. I mean, no body. Mr Boddy's body. It's gone!" 

 

/end eighties movie flashback mode

Oh, good point about the mind control...Well Lambert read the book, which dispelled the invisibility spell Cole was using, which I bet was just a form of using blood magic mind control on others. Perhaps what Lambert told him afterwards shocked the entity so much that he just disappeared.

Haha, there are so many different possibilities lol.