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[meanieweenie]

Here's what that looks like to me:

(From wiki - A test screening is a preview screening of a movie or television show before its general release in order to gauge audience reaction. Preview audiences are selected from a cross-section of the population, and are usually asked to complete a questionnaire or provide feedback in some form. )

That questionaire seems to be looking for opinions, not a concrete draft.

[Lonaargh]

berelinde wrote...

I'm seriously hoping that thread is a fake. Because if it were true, it would kill any enthusiasm at all I might feel about DA3.

I wouldn't buy it. Not even from the $10 bin.

Really? I still would, if only because I'm a huge DragonAge fan. I had my doubts about DA2 as well, and I'm still one of the few who loves that one more than DA:O.

Don't judge a book by his cover and all that

[R2s Muse]

Lonaargh wrote...

Okay, I gave up on reading all 310 pages. Working on the next chapter of my fic and was wondering about the following. Emeric warns the city guard about DuPuis and his suspicions about him. But did he also ask Cullen/the other Templars for help? Because my Hawke will not be nice to Cullen if she hears Cullen could've helped in preventing her mom's death. (I hope this makes sense, I'm rambling a bit)

Meredith wrote an apology to DuPuis, so she knew...

Oh dear, you know, I hadn't thought about that. If Meredith knew, then yeah, I would also assume that the Order officially knew. That said, I'm currently working on a head canon that poor Cullen was wicked in the dark about alot of bad things that Meredith was doing, so maybe this is part of his obliviousness (is that a word?).

[R2s Muse]

Lonaargh wrote...

berelinde wrote...

I'm seriously hoping that thread is a fake. Because if it were true, it would kill any enthusiasm at all I might feel about DA3.

I wouldn't buy it. Not even from the $10 bin.

Really? I still would, if only because I'm a huge DragonAge fan. I had my doubts about DA2 as well, and I'm still one of the few who loves that one more than DA:O.

Don't judge a book by his cover and all that

Yeah, me, too. I think there's little that would deter me from buying it at this point. And, honestly, I think the description in that spoilery thread doesn't say too much that we haven't all already been guessing about the new game. Tensions high, Thedas on the brink, some big  bad thing happens, your character has to respond. Of course, the Inquisitor idea seems... odd, since I highly doubt BW would be that prescriptive about your PC, esp after Hawke. But given the level of detail in that blurb thingy, even if true it probably doesn't properly represent what the PC could be. That said... if it's just a marketing survey, it all could be hooey from back when they were testing out ideas for the game.

At the very least, it gives us more to speculate about! EDIT: and it gave me the chance to write "hooey" which has given me a smile today!

Modifié par R2s Muse, 14 août 2012 - 01:58 .

[berelinde]

Lonaargh wrote...

berelinde wrote...

I'm seriously hoping that thread is a fake. Because if it were true, it would kill any enthusiasm at all I might feel about DA3.

I wouldn't buy it. Not even from the $10 bin.

Really? I still would, if only because I'm a huge DragonAge fan. I had my doubts about DA2 as well, and I'm still one of the few who loves that one more than DA:O.

Don't judge a book by his cover and all that

I don't need to apply a cheese grater to my elbow to know that I would hate it.

One of the reasons that Dragon Age has been successful is that it does not dictate protagonist morals or beliefs. Players are not placed in a position where their real world values are insulted. Your protagonist is never going to be a rapist, a serial killer (bandits don't count), or a child abuser. Your protagonist is never going to go around burning holy symbols (or embracing zealotry). It's too volatile and provocative, even for BioWare. An "Inquisitor" PC is a background the OP has advocated for some time, so that raised a few warning flags.

[R2s Muse]

berelinde wrote...

Lonaargh wrote...

berelinde wrote...

I'm seriously hoping that thread is a fake. Because if it were true, it would kill any enthusiasm at all I might feel about DA3.

I wouldn't buy it. Not even from the $10 bin.

Really? I still would, if only because I'm a huge DragonAge fan. I had my doubts about DA2 as well, and I'm still one of the few who loves that one more than DA:O.

Don't judge a book by his cover and all that

I don't need to apply a cheese grater to my elbow to know that I would hate it.

One of the reasons that Dragon Age has been successful is that it does not dictate protagonist morals or beliefs. Players are not placed in a position where their real world values are insulted. Your protagonist is never going to be a rapist, a serial killer (bandits don't count), or a child abuser. Your protagonist is never going to go around burning holy symbols (or embracing zealotry). It's too volatile and provocative, even for BioWare. An "Inquisitor" PC is a background the OP has advocated for some time, so that raised a few warning flags.

Ah, I didn't know that. LOL even more interesting! Pooh.

[Lonaargh]

berelinde wrote...

]I don't need to apply a cheese grater to my elbow to know that I would hate it.

One of the reasons that Dragon Age has been successful is that it does not dictate protagonist morals or beliefs. Players are not placed in a position where their real world values are insulted. Your protagonist is never going to be a rapist, a serial killer (bandits don't count), or a child abuser. Your protagonist is never going to go around burning holy symbols (or embracing zealotry). It's too volatile and provocative, even for BioWare. An "Inquisitor" PC is a background the OP has advocated for some time, so that raised a few warning flags.

And that's why I suspect that it's either a fake or just a brainstorm session. It's just too controversial.
But even if it turns out to be true, I'd still play it I'm odd like that I guess

[Lonaargh]

R2s Muse wrote...

Oh dear, you know, I hadn't thought about that. If Meredith knew, then yeah, I would also assume that the Order officially knew. That said, I'm currently working on a head canon that poor Cullen was wicked in the dark about alot of bad things that Meredith was doing, so maybe this is part of his obliviousness (is that a word?).

Thing is, even if Cullen is wicked in the dark, he's still Emeric's superior officer isn't he? In an order as strict as the Templar's, I'd suspect Cullen to know EVERYTHING about what his people are doing. He even knew that Wilmod, who's just a recruit, had been gone a lot after he reappeared. I doubt he wouldn't have known about Emeric's "things"

[R2s Muse]

Lonaargh wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Oh dear, you know, I hadn't thought about that. If Meredith knew, then yeah, I would also assume that the Order officially knew. That said, I'm currently working on a head canon that poor Cullen was wicked in the dark about alot of bad things that Meredith was doing, so maybe this is part of his obliviousness (is that a word?).

Thing is, even if Cullen is wicked in the dark, he's still Emeric's superior officer isn't he? In an order as strict as the Templar's, I'd suspect Cullen to know EVERYTHING about what his people are doing. He even knew that Wilmod, who's just a recruit, had been gone a lot after he reappeared. I doubt he wouldn't have known about Emeric's "things"

True. So given all that, yeah, he probably knew about it. But... I [to be fair, we, as we've talked about this a lot on this thread, so it's starting to take over my own head canon] have also been working on a theory that the more senior templars would resent Cullen for his rapid advancement up the ranks and his relative youth. Plus he's a Fereldan to boot! This could lead to him being relatively isolated and deliberately left out of things as a result. So, just thinking out loud, perhaps it would still follow that he knows what the junior members are doing, but folks like Emeric just ignore him.

That said... if Meredith knew, then Cullen probably did, too. Let the drama with Hawke ensue!

[Lonaargh]

R2s Muse wrote...

True. So given all that, yeah, he probably knew about it. But... I [to be fair, we, as we've talked about this a lot on this thread, so it's starting to take over my own head canon] have also been working on a theory that the more senior templars would resent Cullen for his rapid advancement up the ranks and his relative youth. Plus he's a Fereldan to boot! This could lead to him being relatively isolated and deliberately left out of things as a result. So, just thinking out loud, perhaps it would still follow that he knows what the junior members are doing, but folks like Emeric just ignore him.

That said... if Meredith knew, then Cullen probably did, too. Let the drama with Hawke ensue!

And now you've just given me another reason to really finish those 300 pages Great plot idea!

..Good thing I have a day off tomorrow
Thanks for the help! <3

[R2s Muse]

Lonaargh wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

True. So given all that, yeah, he probably knew about it. But... I [to be fair, we, as we've talked about this a lot on this thread, so it's starting to take over my own head canon] have also been working on a theory that the more senior templars would resent Cullen for his rapid advancement up the ranks and his relative youth. Plus he's a Fereldan to boot! This could lead to him being relatively isolated and deliberately left out of things as a result. So, just thinking out loud, perhaps it would still follow that he knows what the junior members are doing, but folks like Emeric just ignore him.

That said... if Meredith knew, then Cullen probably did, too. Let the drama with Hawke ensue!

And now you've just given me another reason to really finish those 300 pages Great plot idea!

..Good thing I have a day off tomorrow
Thanks for the help! <3

Ha ha, my pleasure, for what little my help was worth! Ah, so many plot bunnies, so little time!

[Xilizhra]

Should Cullen have been killable in DA2? I imagine some would have rather wanted to do something more definite after Meredith had fallen... and the templars, after all, are still my enemy.

Aside from that, what do you think happened with a mage-siding Hawke and Cullen immediately after that scene? What would they do about the current situation, the escaped mages, etc? I currently suspect that my Hawke engaged in a rather charged negotiation to allow her to leave Kirkwall with all the surviving mages; I'm not sure whether or not Cullen would want to agree, but considering how high the templar casualties were... I suspect that if Hawke sides with the mages, the Kirkwall Annulment is the least successful one in its history.

[brushyourteeth]

Lonaargh wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

True. So given all that, yeah, he probably knew about it. But... I [to be fair, we, as we've talked about this a lot on this thread, so it's starting to take over my own head canon] have also been working on a theory that the more senior templars would resent Cullen for his rapid advancement up the ranks and his relative youth. Plus he's a Fereldan to boot! This could lead to him being relatively isolated and deliberately left out of things as a result. So, just thinking out loud, perhaps it would still follow that he knows what the junior members are doing, but folks like Emeric just ignore him.

That said... if Meredith knew, then Cullen probably did, too. Let the drama with Hawke ensue!

And now you've just given me another reason to really finish those 300 pages Great plot idea!

..Good thing I have a day off tomorrow
Thanks for the help! <3

Don't discount the fact that DuPuis was a blood mage and had the powers of mind domination! His manor was searched and nobody found a single thing? That's iffy to me. There's a chance that even if Cullen was there to lead the investigation, all he remembers is a roaring fireplace and what a misunderstood, capital fellow that Gascard is!

"You could have saved my mother" + "I don't know what you're talking about" = "I don't want to forgive you, but I have to." = not bad for drama, either!

[Lonaargh]

Should have been killable, not sure. I would never kill him as long as he stands up to Meredith to save my ass and help kill her. It'd be too much a kick to the face "Yes, you fought her. But I'm still going to kill you, because, you know, templar." But I can see where the "wanting to do something more definite" angle is coming from.

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Lonaargh wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

True. So given all that, yeah, he probably knew about it. But... I [to be fair, we, as we've talked about this a lot on this thread, so it's starting to take over my own head canon] have also been working on a theory that the more senior templars would resent Cullen for his rapid advancement up the ranks and his relative youth. Plus he's a Fereldan to boot! This could lead to him being relatively isolated and deliberately left out of things as a result. So, just thinking out loud, perhaps it would still follow that he knows what the junior members are doing, but folks like Emeric just ignore him.

That said... if Meredith knew, then Cullen probably did, too. Let the drama with Hawke ensue!

And now you've just given me another reason to really finish those 300 pages Great plot idea!

..Good thing I have a day off tomorrow
Thanks for the help! <3

Don't discount the fact that DuPuis was a blood mage and had the powers of mind domination! His manor was searched and nobody found a single thing? That's iffy to me. There's a chance that even if Cullen was there to lead the investigation, all he remembers is a roaring fireplace and what a misunderstood, capital fellow that Gascard is!

"You could have saved my mother" + "I don't know what you're talking about" = "I don't want to forgive you, but I have to." = not bad for drama, either!

LOL ^This! Ah, poor Cullen. Can't get a break.

[brushyourteeth]

Xilizhra wrote...

Should Cullen have been killable in DA2? I imagine some would have rather wanted to do something more definite after Meredith had fallen... and the templars, after all, are still my enemy.

Aside from that, what do you think happened with a mage-siding Hawke and Cullen immediately after that scene? What would they do about the current situation, the escaped mages, etc? I currently suspect that my Hawke engaged in a rather charged negotiation to allow her to leave Kirkwall with all the surviving mages; I'm not sure whether or not Cullen would want to agree, but considering how high the templar casualties were... I suspect that if Hawke sides with the mages, the Kirkwall Annulment is the least successful one in its history.

Wasn't this question up yesterday? I swear I saw it and it just got overlooked in all the "dragonleaks" business.

I think most people aren't interested in killing someone just because they belong to a particular group of people, so no. There was no reason to kill Cullen besides blind, ignorant rage (which can be fun to play, but only a small number of people seem to).

I also always imagined something like the underlined, only with Hawke basically giving a curt nod to Aveline who then rounded up the few mages left standing and they all just left. No permission needed from Cullen, who was still too stunned and horrified to protest much.

[Lonaargh]

brushyourteeth wrote...


Don't discount the fact that DuPuis was a blood mage and had the powers of mind domination! His manor was searched and nobody found a single thing? That's iffy to me. There's a chance that even if Cullen was there to lead the investigation, all he remembers is a roaring fireplace and what a misunderstood, capital fellow that Gascard is!

"You could have saved my mother" + "I don't know what you're talking about" = "I don't want to forgive you, but I have to." = not bad for drama, either!

Currently I figured that Cullen would probably have told Emeric to take it to the City Guard (Aveline) instead of letting the Templars do the search. Didn't think of the mind domination yet Those sneaky blood mages...

[R2s Muse]

Xilizhra wrote...

Aside from that, what do you think happened with a mage-siding Hawke and Cullen immediately after that scene? What would they do about the current situation, the escaped mages, etc? I currently suspect that my Hawke engaged in a rather charged negotiation to allow her to leave Kirkwall with all the surviving mages; I'm not sure whether or not Cullen would want to agree, but considering how high the templar casualties were... I suspect that if Hawke sides with the mages, the Kirkwall Annulment is the least successful one in its history.

Hmm, interesting. I always felt like that moment was so charged, with Hawke surrounded by a sea of templar and Cullen willing to stand by and let her leave before someone does something that sparks off yet another fight, that Hawke just splits. I doubt she sticks around for any kind of negotiation, or Cullen may have trouble holding back the templars who technically may have no idea what really just happened with demon!Meredith (another nice ambiguity, given the ring of fire they put around the courtyard).

As far as the escaped mages and all that, I always figure Hawke did her part and now has to get outta Dodge, leaving Cullen et al. to quell the riots and looting.  Tracking down all the escaped mages would probably take up their time over the next few days/weeks. Until someone representing the powers that be stops by, says WTF, and throws Cullen out of the Order for insubordination.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 14 août 2012 - 03:23 .

[Xilizhra]

I think most people aren't interested in killing someone just because they belong to a particular group of people, so no. There was no reason to kill Cullen besides blind, ignorant rage (which can be fun to play, but only a small number of people seem to).

Well... it's war now, and Cullen is on the opposing side. It strikes me as a bit odd to do nothing about that.

[Lonaargh]

Xilizhra wrote...

I think most people aren't interested in killing someone just because they belong to a particular group of people, so no. There was no reason to kill Cullen besides blind, ignorant rage (which can be fun to play, but only a small number of people seem to).

Well... it's war now, and Cullen is on the opposing side. It strikes me as a bit odd to do nothing about that.

The same Cullen who stood up for you even though YOU are on the opposite side as well?

It would've struck me as odd if I would have killed him.
Then again, all my Hawkes are nice, if somewhat strange.

[brushyourteeth]

Xilizhra wrote...

I think most people aren't interested in killing someone just because they belong to a particular group of people, so no. There was no reason to kill Cullen besides blind, ignorant rage (which can be fun to play, but only a small number of people seem to).

Well... it's war now, and Cullen is on the opposing side. It strikes me as a bit odd to do nothing about that.

So out of curiosity, would your Hawke have waved all the mages over and killed every last Templar in the place?

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I think most people aren't interested in killing someone just because they belong to a particular group of people, so no. There was no reason to kill Cullen besides blind, ignorant rage (which can be fun to play, but only a small number of people seem to).

Well... it's war now, and Cullen is on the opposing side. It strikes me as a bit odd to do nothing about that.

So out of curiosity, would your Hawke have waved all the mages over and killed every last Templar in the place?

LOL, brush, do you even have to ask that question...? (and... no offense, Xil, but I don't think I've encountered anyone quite as, erm, anti-Templar so far.   )

Modifié par R2s Muse, 14 août 2012 - 03:31 .

[LolaLei]

Regarding that leak, the way it was worded sound like basically through all the chaos a group of "peace keepers" decide to come together after something happens to suggest that someone or something is causing all the uproar to happen, they decide to call themselves the inquisition and the new protagonist becomes "The Inquistor."

I took it as the group decided to call themselves "The Inquisition" to just give themselves and their cause a name. So they wouldn't be working exclusively for any one fraction (be it the Chantry, Templars, Mages, Grey Wardens, Qunari etc) instead they'd work with all of them at some point to try and reunite everyone (kinda like we did in DA:O). I can only presume the DA team would pick the inquisition as a name for this new "group" because the original inquisition (prior to merging with the Chantry and becoming Templars) were also a group that was trying to incite peace and solve major problems, so in-game it would have a sentimental "going back to the old ways with this historic name" kinda thing. In which case, we'd still have the option to play as a mage, rogue or warrior... Plus, with the world going to ****, I'm sure they'd take any help they can get. That's presuming this leak is real of course.

Regarding the "new" companion leak, I'm not particularly impressed, but if it's real then it makes me wonder if we're going to end up with a companion from each major "fraction"/"problem", so we'd have Dorian symbolising the Tervinter Mage threat, Iron Bull symbolising the Qunari threat, Cole symbolising the whole Demon/Spirit thing and Sera symbolising the Elves. Then we've got the 3 companions we don't know about yet, one could symbolise the Chantry (Cullen or Cassandra), one symbolising the Grey Wardens (the guy in the Grey Warden concept armor from PAX) and maybe a Dwarf. The fact that the ones we "know" about don't behave like you'd expect each of them to behave gives it the whole "something different/special about these people" angle that Bioware like to go for.

[Xilizhra]

The same Cullen who stood up for you even though YOU are on the opposite side as well?

At that point, the only side Meredith could be said to be on is the side of the voice in her sword. The mages and templars formed a temporary alliance to deal with a greater threat.

So out of curiosity, would your Hawke have waved all the mages over and killed every last Templar in the place?

Letting the templars continue to pose a threat isn't in my interest. I would prefer to end that threat by whatever means would be necessary. At the very minimum, I want Cullen to call off the Annulment and prevent the templars from chasing us; if it would really come to killing off the remaining templars, I personally wouldn't feel much sorrow. I'm not sure why we can't use fire magic to burn down the other templar ships as they cross the harbor.

LOL, brush, do you even have to ask that question...? (and... no offense, Xil, but I don't think I've encountered anyone quite as, erm, anti-Templar so far.   )

Well, I'm up there, but my compatriots don't come into this thread.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 14 août 2012 - 03:36 .

[LolaLei]

I think Hawke and co just hot footed it out of Kirkwall immediately, in the cutscene when he lets him/her and the others go, you can see them leaving the Gallows, so I doubt another word was said to each other. Cullen was giving them a chance to escape, they weren't gonna stick around incase he changed his mind lol.

As for if I think he should have been killable in DA2? No, I don't think he should have been. That option should be available in DA3 where it can be done dramatically for maximum effect for all those that want to kill him. I mean, if you're gonna do it then why not do it in style right?