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[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Regarding that leak, the way it was worded sound like basically through all the chaos a group of "peace keepers" decide to come together after something happens to suggest that someone or something is causing all the uproar to happen, they decide to call themselves the inquisition and the new protagonist becomes "The Inquistor."

I took it as the group decided to call themselves "The Inquisition" to just give themselves and their cause a name. So they wouldn't be working exclusively for any one fraction (be it the Chantry, Templars, Mages, Grey Wardens, Qunari etc) instead they'd work with all of them at some point to try and reunite everyone (kinda like we did in DA:O). I can only presume the DA team would pick the inquisition as a name for this new "group" because the original inquisition (prior to merging with the Chantry and becoming Templars) were also a group that was trying to incite peace and solve major problems, so in-game it would have a sentimental "going back to the old ways with this historic name" kinda thing. In which case, we'd still have the option to play as a mage, rogue or warrior... Plus, with the world going to ****, I'm sure they'd take any help they can get. That's presuming this leak is real of course.

Heh heh, except I don't know that I believe the original Inquisition was striving for peace. They were running around hunting mages, according to Bioware.

From On Templars, Raiders, City Guards and the Coterie, Bioware Blog
Most people don’t remember the Templar Order as it once was. In the days when the Chantry was still young, templars were known as the “Inquisition” and combed the land in search of all dangers to humanity—whether they came in the form of blood mages, abominations, cultists or heretics. It was a dark and terrifying time in the history of Thedas, and one that only ended when the Chantry convinced the Inquisition to unite under the banner of their common faith. The name of their order changed, and their purpose because that of guardian and warden rather than hunter.

Makes them sound a bit more sinister to my reading, more like an indiscriminate lynch mob. Of course, DG made it sound a bit less sinister,  calling the Inquisition "a group of people who said 'Enough is enough, somebody has to do something about this magic that is tearing apart the world.'"

So, given all that... they could still be adopting the name for historical reasons, but I personally think it would lend a sinister air to the new group as opposed to a problem-solving one. Although,  maybe that's all about spin.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 14 août 2012 - 03:52 .

[R2s Muse]

Xilizhra wrote...

LOL, brush, do you even have to ask that question...? (and... no offense, Xil, but I don't think I've encountered anyone quite as, erm, anti-Templar so far.   )

Well, I'm up there, but my compatriots don't come into this thread.

Ah, good point. I'm letting my ignorance and fear of the world outside the Cullen forum color my judgment.

[berelinde]

Lonaargh wrote...

berelinde wrote...

]I don't need to apply a cheese grater to my elbow to know that I would hate it.

One of the reasons that Dragon Age has been successful is that it does not dictate protagonist morals or beliefs. Players are not placed in a position where their real world values are insulted. Your protagonist is never going to be a rapist, a serial killer (bandits don't count), or a child abuser. Your protagonist is never going to go around burning holy symbols (or embracing zealotry). It's too volatile and provocative, even for BioWare. An "Inquisitor" PC is a background the OP has advocated for some time, so that raised a few warning flags.

And that's why I suspect that it's either a fake or just a brainstorm session. It's just too controversial.
But even if it turns out to be true, I'd still play it I'm odd like that I guess

It was totally fake. Pre-release screenings do exist for films, etc., but had the OP been a participant, he would have been required to sign legal confidentiality documents. Leaks that big cost money. So yeah, troll.

[LolaLei]

meanieweenie wrote...

Here's what that looks like to me:

(From wiki - A test screening is a preview screening of a movie or television show before its general release in order to gauge audience reaction. Preview audiences are selected from a cross-section of the population, and are usually asked to complete a questionnaire or provide feedback in some form. )

That questionaire seems to be looking for opinions, not a concrete draft.

They've already started recording the VA's lines though, so if those are real then they'd be set in stone now surely? One of the mods shut that thread down and refered to it as trolling... I'm hoping it's fake, even though it wasn't a bad concept.

[brushyourteeth]

Xilizhra wrote...

The same Cullen who stood up for you even though YOU are on the opposite side as well?

At that point, the only side Meredith could be said to be on is the side of the voice in her sword. The mages and templars formed a temporary alliance to deal with a greater threat.

Actually, Cullen intervened on your behalf before Meredith revealed the source of her crazy. Though it is true that he didn't step in to try to save the other mages, when Meredith accused him of being a mage sympathizer, he basically said "I am. I think you're wrong."

In that sense, killing him is a very poor strategic move. You now have a sympathetic acquaintance on the inside. Attacking him is also an act of provocation to the other Templars, which puts your remaining mages in very real danger of dying. You've already won the battle - you've shown "the enemy" your strength. Best to tip your hat and bow out, giving them a chance to rethink their role in all of this. It sends a clear message if your motivation is rebellion: "Mess with us and we will kill you. Let us be and you have a chance of survival."

Otherwise your message is "Mages are monsters. We slaughter for fun. Welcome to the new regime, b*tches!!!"

So out of curiosity, would your Hawke have waved all the mages over and killed every last Templar in the place?

Letting the templars continue to pose a threat isn't in my interest. I would prefer to end that threat by whatever means would be necessary.

Even if that means is temporary retreat? 'Cause killing 30-40 Templars in Kirkwall isn't going to help much in the grand scheme of things, and it will come at the cost of mage blood and the common people turning completely against you. Any hope you had of winning them over will be wiped out by the fact that the story of how the Templars needlessly slaughtered mages at the order of a crazy woman is now overridden by the tale of mages who killed every last one of the Maker's servants.

At the very minimum, I want Cullen to call off the Annulment and prevent the templars from chasing us; if it would really come to killing off the remaining templars, I personally wouldn't feel much sorrow. I'm not sure why we can't use fire magic to burn down the other templar ships as they cross the harbor.

I reckon his standing by while you flee is kinda his way of saying the Annulment (which he agreed to, but never actually wanted) is over. Killing him or the others seems kinda wasteful to me. It wants for a sense of the bigger picture strategically.

New question, though - because I really do find your POV fascinating. What would you do with the mages who are devout Andrastians, since it isn't just the Templars but the Chantry religion that you'd want to be fighting against?

[LolaLei]

R2: I hadn't seen that part about the inquisition before, only the one DG said. Admittedly, it does seem odd that they'd reuse a name like that, rather than coming up with a completely new/better name/title. Someone post up a picture of a file they supposedly found in DA2 that's supposed to be the inquisition symbol, but that could have been a mock up.

I'm hoping it's a complete fake, it seemed too brazen for the OP to swan in and openly leak a bunch of stuff without getting banned or in trouble for it. I guess I'm just wary after all those ME3 script leaks that turned out to be true.

Modifié par LolaLei, 14 août 2012 - 04:19 .

[R2s Muse]

Avejajed wrote...

This thread needs more naked Cullen to break up the text walls.

LMAO Ask, and ye shall receive!

[LolaLei]

Avejajed wrote...

This thread needs more naked Cullen to break up the text walls.

Amen to that!

[brushyourteeth]

LolaLei wrote...
As for if I think he should have been killable in DA2? No, I don't think he should have been. That option should be available in DA3 where it can be done dramatically for maximum effect for all those that want to kill him. I mean, if you're gonna do it then why not do it in style right?

You mean you'd like to kill him with kindness? 

R2's Muse wrote...
Most people don’t remember the Templar Order as it once was. In the days when the Chantry was still young, templars were known as the “Inquisition” and combed the land in search of all dangers to humanity—whether they came in the form of blood mages, abominations, cultists or heretics. It was a dark and terrifying time in the history of Thedas, and one that only ended when the Chantry convinced the Inquisition to unite under the banner of their common faith. The name of their order changed, and their purpose because that of guardian and warden rather than hunter.

That sounds like it could go two ways for me.
1. The Inquisition were jerks who terrorized the countryside, resulting in there being a "dark and terrifying time in the history of Thedas"
2. The Inquisition were a ragtag bunch of questionable-magical-practices hunters who existed during and because of "a dark and terrifying time in the history of Thedas" and didn't become well organized or well funded enough to end that age until they teamed up with the Chantry

So may not have been bad guys, or may have been the worst thing ever. LOL

[Xilizhra]

Even if that means is temporary retreat? 'Cause killing 30-40 Templars in Kirkwall isn't going to help much in the grand scheme of things, and it will come at the cost of mage blood and the common people turning completely against you. Any hope you had of winning them over will be wiped out by the fact that the story of how the Templars needlessly slaughtered mages at the order of a crazy woman is now overridden by the tale of mages who killed every last one of the Maker's servants.

I wouldn't ask the other mages to do anything in this situation, or at least I wouldn't require it of them. They're terrible fighters anyway; our own party had to hold off the entire templar siege on the prison personally. And I'm not sure if the common people of Kirkwall would really be that upset if the templars just lost the battle for the Gallows, as they started it to begin with. Having Cullen be sympathetic... might be useful, but he was "sympathetic" for seven years and it didn't help any of Karras' or Alrik's victims, or those who died in the Annulment. He has a precedent for refusing to act on his conscience. Would this change now?

New question, though - because I really do find your POV fascinating. What would you do with the mages who are devout Andrastians, since it isn't just the Templars but the Chantry religion that you'd want to be fighting against?

We were always fighting against the religion that dictated that mages be imprisoned. In any case, both Anders and Bethany are devout Andrastians. It's not that hard; the mages on our side will just believe that the Chantry got Andraste's message wrong.

[LolaLei]

Brushyourteeth: Well, I'd be more inclined to "punish" him in an entirely more pleasurable way. But, I don't see why the option shouldn't be there to kill any of the companions if you don't like them. That way it's win-win for everyone and we won't have to listen to people ****ing that they couldn't kill off their most hated companions.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2: I hadn't seen that part about the inquisition before, only the one DG said. Admittedly, it does seem odd that they'd reuse a name like that, rather than coming up with a completely new/better name/title. Someone post up a picture of a file they supposedly found in DA2 that's supposed to be the inquisition symbol, but that could have been a mock up.

I'm hoping it's a complete fake, it seemed to brazen for the OP to swan in and openly leak a bunch of stuff without getting banned or in trouble for it. I guess I'm just wary after all those ME3 script leaks that turned out to be true.

Well, several sources have talked about a new Inquisition rising up, using that particular word. DG said that explicitly in his Thedas UK interview (" It'd be interesting to see if the Inquisition ever rose up again."), and it's also referenced in the DA2 epilogue from the game guide (below). So, I think it's coming, but not in any sort of benign way. I think they chose that word for all it's dark connotations (from game lore and real world, I reckon). Given what we see in Asunder, I think the Templar Order are now reverting to the former nature and hunting down the mages ... becoming Inquisition 2.0.

From the strategy guide, with some typos since someone transcribed it: (emphasis added)

EPILOGUE FROM STRATEGY GUIDE, P. 271

In closing Hawk story, Varric reflects on his friendship legacy. We learn that the champion has since vanished or else the dwarf has no desire to let on what he knows.

So what does the future hold? The mage/templar crisis has drawn battle lines, setting the scene for rebellion and persecution. Religious purges and expurgation from the Chantry, but news of Kirkwall may incite other circles to rise up in revolt.

Perhaps more intriguing, is there a reason why Hawk is now gone, like the Warden, as revealed by Cassandra in the final scenes? Do the Champion and the Hero of Ferelden have more in common than we know? And what do the mysterious seekers of truth have to do with this? Will some kind of inquisition be at the heart of events of the next Dragon Age title?

Finally, is it safe to speculate that Morrigan may play a major role in future events? Flemeth cryptic explanation for her journey to Sundermount (A bit of security should the inevitable occur. And if I know my Morrigan, it has already has.) may refer to the Warden battle with Witch of the wilds--or perhaps, an artfully conjured facsimile--at her furious daughters behest. Flemeth, less we forget, was discovered to have achieved a form of immorality by periodically appropriating the bodies of numerous daughters throughout her history. Then again, with Morrigan carrying a child infused with the spirit of the archdemon in one likely narrative eventually, it could be so much more...

[Lonaargh]

LolaLei wrote...

Brushyourteeth: Well, I'd be more inclined to "punish" him in an entirely more pleasurable way. But, I don't see why the option shouldn't be there to kill any of the companions if you don't like them. That way it's win-win for everyone and we won't have to listen to people ****ing that they couldn't kill off their most hated companions.

Whehe.. Punishing 
´Kay Cullen, now I´m going to tie your hand to this here bedpost. You naughty, naughty Templar´

*drifts off*

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

R2's Muse wrote...
Most people don’t remember the Templar Order as it once was. In the days when the Chantry was still young, templars were known as the “Inquisition” and combed the land in search of all dangers to humanity—whether they came in the form of blood mages, abominations, cultists or heretics. It was a dark and terrifying time in the history of Thedas, and one that only ended when the Chantry convinced the Inquisition to unite under the banner of their common faith. The name of their order changed, and their purpose because that of guardian and warden rather than hunter.

That sounds like it could go two ways for me.
1. The Inquisition were jerks who terrorized the countryside, resulting in there being a "dark and terrifying time in the history of Thedas"
2. The Inquisition were a ragtag bunch of questionable-magical-practices hunters who existed during and because of "a dark and terrifying time in the history of Thedas" and didn't become well organized or well funded enough to end that age until they teamed up with the Chantry

So may not have been bad guys, or may have been the worst thing ever. LOL

True. I base my opinion mostly on the bolded above, presuming cause and effect: dark and terrifying until Inquisition lowered its banner. Also, most of the passage seems to be trying to connote a dramatic change in purpose of the Templars, from "as it once was", a "hunter," to "guardian and warden." Finally, I don't think it's a coincidence that they chose such a loaded word to describe it. 

But, also, I'm sure there were many who were being oppressed by dark magic that did think they were the good guys. Someone had to take a stand, so they did. I hope this ambiguity is in there when we see Inquisition 2.0.

EDIT: So, you know, I'll bet they were both the good guys and the worst thing ever. Going back to my lynch mob analogy, imagine all the hunting and killing power of the Templar used to protect the innocent, but without any of the Order's structure or rules. Mage killers with no accountability. I suppose some would say, with a weak Chantry, that's what modern templars already are...

Modifié par R2s Muse, 14 août 2012 - 04:28 .

[R2s Muse]

Avejajed wrote...

Which reminds me, I need to write that fanfic- 50 Shades of Thedas.

LMAO - yup, get on that! 

More encouragement...

[LolaLei]

R2: Hm, that's really interesting it's almost like they are trying to drop hints isn't it. Question is, will we be the inquisition... Or will the rebel Templars become them?

Perhaps OP is just clued up about all the DA lore and gave us a good trolling? Either way, I'm not keen on the suggested companions, I thought Gaylan and Cassandra would have been in that list for sure, or at least that Grey Warden bloke from the concept armor artwork.

[berelinde]

R2, we seem to be on a brainwave again. I'm thinking that the Inquisition may be more of an overarching antagonist rather than a PC background, myself. Perhaps, whether the protagonist is a mage-supporter or a chantry-supporter, they will have to unite the Free Peoples to save Middle Earth diverse factions to overcome a common foe. I like that scenario. It leaves a lot of room for gray.

[LolaLei]

Avejajed wrote...

Guys did you know the inquisition is like the church and Meredith was like the Pope and that's why the knight templars had the crusades? Cullen was like King John who hated the Chinese and only loved Jesus.

No compromise! *Pre-order cancelled!*

[Melca36]

berelinde wrote...

Lonaargh wrote...

berelinde wrote...

]I don't need to apply a cheese grater to my elbow to know that I would hate it.

One of the reasons that Dragon Age has been successful is that it does not dictate protagonist morals or beliefs. Players are not placed in a position where their real world values are insulted. Your protagonist is never going to be a rapist, a serial killer (bandits don't count), or a child abuser. Your protagonist is never going to go around burning holy symbols (or embracing zealotry). It's too volatile and provocative, even for BioWare. An "Inquisitor" PC is a background the OP has advocated for some time, so that raised a few warning flags.

And that's why I suspect that it's either a fake or just a brainstorm session. It's just too controversial.
But even if it turns out to be true, I'd still play it I'm odd like that I guess

It was totally fake. Pre-release screenings do exist for films, etc., but had the OP been a participant, he would have been required to sign legal confidentiality documents. Leaks that big cost money. So yeah, troll.

Definitely think the OP is a troll. 

1)At one point they posted in a tool set thread and basically said they were against tool sets. That actually led me to believe the OP could have also been a paid EA Shill.


2) Second in another thread concerning the lack of female dwarves in DA:2, Op referred to them as 'midgets' and posted something that basically said she did not understand why people would romance them.

I pointed out that the term was considered deragatory in this day and age and I think somebody else referenced the popularity of Peter Dinklage from Game of Thrones.


3) This person uses an ALLERS avatar....One of the most HATED characters in ME3 History

[R2s Muse]

Alrighty folks... for all my fun I'm having with my Seeker/Templar/Inquisition lore... I have to get on a plane to Germany in about six hours. LOL Guess, I better go finish packing...

Probably won't be around much til I get back. Until then, don't forget to be awesome.

[berelinde]

Have a great trip!