R2s Muse wrote...
Alrighty folks... for all my fun I'm having with my Seeker/Templar/Inquisition lore... I have to get on a plane to Germany in about six hours. LOL Guess, I better go finish packing...
Probably won't be around much til I get back. Until then, don't forget to be awesome.
LOL - true story!Xilizhra wrote...
I wouldn't ask the other mages to do anything in this situation, or at least I wouldn't require it of them. They're terrible fighters anyway; our own party had to hold off the entire templar siege on the prison personally.Even if that means is temporary retreat? 'Cause killing 30-40 Templars in Kirkwall isn't going to help much in the grand scheme of things, and it will come at the cost of mage blood and the common people turning completely against you. Any hope you had of winning them over will be wiped out by the fact that the story of how the Templars needlessly slaughtered mages at the order of a crazy woman is now overridden by the tale of mages who killed every last one of the Maker's servants.
And every single one died? And the story never got around that the Chantry's sweetheart got all lyrium-possessed and that was her logical reason for hating mages? And mages really are that ruthless and powerful that they'd kill every last Templar? Nah. You're better off winning the sympathy of the common folk than having a good ol' time chopping down those last few dozen suits.And I'm not sure if the common people of Kirkwall would really be that upset if the templars just lost the battle for the Gallows, as they started it to begin with.
You'd have a seriously solid point, if it weren't for the fact that we can't know that Cullen knew about those incidents, or that he didn't do anything or everything in his power to stop them. You have to admit that if his first priority was helping mages (which again, I can't say I even know is true - but let's pretend) he'd be a much bigger help to them as a Templar with authority in the Circle than a lyrium-addicted dropout who most apostates wouldn't trust anyway.Having Cullen be sympathetic... might be useful, but he was "sympathetic" for seven years and it didn't help any of Karras' or Alrik's victims, or those who died in the Annulment.
And now it all makes sense!LolaLei wrote...
Avejajed wrote...
Guys did you know the inquisition is like the church and Meredith was like the Pope and that's why the knight templars had the crusades? Cullen was like King John who hated the Chinese and only loved Jesus.
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Avejajed wrote...
It wasn't announced at the press conference. Sigh.
Wouldn't her being lyrium-possessed mean that the templars looked better? Just her hating mages for the sake of it would be a better image for our side. And I already did win the sympathy of the common folk; they were working with me against Meredith.And every single one died? And the story never got around that the Chantry's sweetheart got all lyrium-possessed and that was her logical reason for hating mages? And mages really are that ruthless and powerful that they'd kill every last Templar? Nah. You're better off winning the sympathy of the common folk than having a good ol' time chopping down those last few dozen suits.
Well, he knew about Ser Alrik, certainly, and Ser Karras didn't seem at all subtle. Nor did that one Tranquil woman walking through the courtyard saying that she belonged to Alrik.You'd have a seriously solid point, if it weren't for the fact that we can't know that Cullen knew about those incidents, or that he didn't do anything or everything in his power to stop them. You have to admit that if his first priority was helping mages (which again, I can't say I even know is true - but let's pretend) he'd be a much bigger help to them as a Templar with authority in the Circle than a lyrium-addicted dropout who most apostates wouldn't trust anyway.
LolaLei wrote...
Avejajed wrote...
It wasn't announced at the press conference. Sigh.
Yeah, it's a good thing really. If it was announced today then it means that it would be out in March 2013 and that's too soon. Still, a teaser trailer or some more details would be nice.
Xilizhra wrote...
Wouldn't her being lyrium-possessed mean that the templars looked better? Just her hating mages for the sake of it would be a better image for our side. And I already did win the sympathy of the common folk; they were working with me against Meredith.And every single one died? And the story never got around that the Chantry's sweetheart got all lyrium-possessed and that was her logical reason for hating mages? And mages really are that ruthless and powerful that they'd kill every last Templar? Nah. You're better off winning the sympathy of the common folk than having a good ol' time chopping down those last few dozen suits.
Well, he knew about Ser Alrik, certainly, and Ser Karras didn't seem at all subtle. Nor did that one Tranquil woman walking through the courtyard saying that she belonged to Alrik.You'd have a seriously solid point, if it weren't for the fact that we can't know that Cullen knew about those incidents, or that he didn't do anything or everything in his power to stop them. You have to admit that if his first priority was helping mages (which again, I can't say I even know is true - but let's pretend) he'd be a much bigger help to them as a Templar with authority in the Circle than a lyrium-addicted dropout who most apostates wouldn't trust anyway.
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It shows that the Chantry isn't as mighty and perfect as they'd like to portray themselves. It shows that the system is quite flawed and that the power is abused. It also shows that mage-hating isn't necessarily normal, decent behavior - it's the behavior of a madwoman.Xilizhra wrote...
Wouldn't her being lyrium-possessed mean that the templars looked better? Just her hating mages for the sake of it would be a better image for our side.And every single one died? And the story never got around that the Chantry's sweetheart got all lyrium-possessed and that was her logical reason for hating mages? And mages really are that ruthless and powerful that they'd kill every last Templar? Nah. You're better off winning the sympathy of the common folk than having a good ol' time chopping down those last few dozen suits.
What?And I already did win the sympathy of the common folk; they were working with me against Meredith.
Well, he knew about Ser Alrik, certainly, and Ser Karras didn't seem at all subtle. Nor did that one Tranquil woman walking through the courtyard saying that she belonged to Alrik.
But she did that before she got hit by the idol; the idol just led to her turning on the templars.It shows that the Chantry isn't as mighty and perfect as they'd like to portray themselves. It shows that the system is quite flawed and that the power is abused. It also shows that mage-hating isn't necessarily normal, decent behavior - it's the behavior of a madwoman.
The mage underground, plus the nobility.What?
Cullen may be more useful in that role. If he chooses to be in it. He doesn't seem very fond of mage freedom to me.I still don't see how you can be at all sure - and you also didn't either argue or acknowledge that Cullen was much more useful to preserving mage safety on the inside than he would be without - even if his actions weren't as radical as some of us would like.
Shades_Of_Pale wrote...
Hmmm
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Modifié par mayrabgood, 14 août 2012 - 06:18 .
Her treatment of mages became exponentially harsher after she obtained the idol. Remember Varric's into into Act 3? The idol either affected her completely or not at all - it couldn't have just made her angry with templars but not mages. Regardless, she was dabbling in questionable magic and the Chantry didn't notice or intervene. That's what the common folk need to know.Xilizhra wrote...
But she did that before she got hit by the idol; the idol just led to her turning on the templars.It shows that the Chantry isn't as mighty and perfect as they'd like to portray themselves. It shows that the system is quite flawed and that the power is abused. It also shows that mage-hating isn't necessarily normal, decent behavior - it's the behavior of a madwoman.
Neither count as the common folk, though I'm not sure which nobility were supporting Hawke. Maybe the DeLauncet's in the case of their son? I honestly can't remember any other good examples.The mage underground, plus the nobility.What?
Cullen may be more useful in that role. If he chooses to be in it. He doesn't seem very fond of mage freedom to me.I still don't see how you can be at all sure - and you also didn't either argue or acknowledge that Cullen was much more useful to preserving mage safety on the inside than he would be without - even if his actions weren't as radical as some of us would like.
mayrabgood wrote...
I just saw this tweet from ME3 News
ME3 DLC News @ME3NewsNo confirmation that anything #ME3 related will be shown, maybe something #DA3 related.
...something DA3 related
Shades_Of_Pale wrote...
OH MY GOODNESS! My stomach just made a flop haha. And I thought I was squirming yesterday.
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LolaLei wrote...
Shades_Of_Pale wrote...
OH MY GOODNESS! My stomach just made a flop haha. And I thought I was squirming yesterday.
Mine too! I love that feeling though. I swear I'm going to be climbing the walls the week of DA3's release!
Modifié par LolaLei, 14 août 2012 - 06:28 .
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Shades_Of_Pale wrote...
OH MY GOODNESS! My stomach just made a flop haha. And I thought I was squirming yesterday.
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