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Xilizhra wrote...

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I mean, why even bother to develop his character and backstory to the extent they have if they aren't going to use him as companion/LI material.

Didn't the Illusive Man get a whole comic series?


I don't know, I don't read any of the Bioware comics... I really should though. Hell, give us a comic about Cullen then, that's better than nothing lol.

Cullen being a companion would be... I think unprecedented, actually; he'd certainly be the companion who'd been yanked around the most for two games straight prior. How well would this work with the obvious desire to let new players get into the game well?

Come to think of it, hasn't Cullen already had a rather large character arc? How well would he do as a companion in that area, if starting at all fresh?


In a new game having fresh faces makes it easy for new players to join in but I also think having a return character helps to knit the overall story of Thedas in Dragon Age together. I thought it was neat that Hawke could possibly have been related to the Warden in DAO, depending on which origin you played. So I think including Cullen could offer that link to the past 2 games. He could even be the messenger, so to speak, to help bring the new PC - and thus new players - up to speed on all that's happened. His telling of the tale (and I don't mean in Varric's story-within-a-story kind of way) could also offer a different POV of events so the story wouldn't be redundant. Of course this only works if the current story in DAIII has any relevance. If my memory serves, when Bioware first began talking about a third game, they said things like "the mage/templar situation is going to come to a head all over Thedas" and that the PC would have to save the world from destroying itself.

If the story is about the mage/templar crisis, there would be room for Cullen. The mage/templar conflict could be further reaching than just one country and could be at the root of a lot of big evil things. Cullen's story could be that of someone who left the Order when the war on mages began because he doesn't agree with just killing them all. Or maybe the Order needs to reform and Cullen is on a path to find some kind of religious relic or something to help unite the templars. If his path crosses the new PC, he could join the party because they're headed the same way, or because they're both looking for the same thing. Maybe everyone finds more than they bargained for and it changes what people had always believed about Andraste's message and ensuring that the revelation is brought to light becomes the main focus of the quest because it could stop the war and unite Thedas before the Qunari invade or the Tevinter try to take back Kirkwall, or something like that.

I can even see the whole relic thing being a loyalty test for Cullen: A) Once it's found, if you're rivals with him - or whatever system the game will have in place - if you and Cullen don't have a trust between you, he could choose to steal the relic and deliver it to his superiors, trusting them with it and they destroy it because it undermines their divine power. The war goes on.

B) If Cullen and the PC do have enough trust between them, he could choose to help the PC get the relic to a place where it can be seen by the people, thus robbing the Chantry of being able to shut it away. The war ends and Thedas is in a stronger position to defend against the Qunari. Or whomever. There's still a war but who the  enemy is changes based on what happens with that relic. Instead of calling it a relic, how about scroll. It's a scroll. The first account of Andraste's speech regarding magic.

If one wants to concieve of another DAII travesty, where your actions mean almost nothing; one can also add a mage to the group, one who wants to subjegate all non-magic people and if the same trust balance things isn't right, he/she will run off to the Tevinter Imperium and then, seeing that mages have indeed been unfairly persecuted for centuries and that the Chantry never had a right to do what they did not even according to their faith in Andraste, the Magisters march and the war is against them.

Cullen could be on assignment from the Divine herself. He could be outcast and jaded. He could be trying to rebuild the Order but trying to make it a better compromise than what it was in the past in order to save mage and templar alike. His goals however need some help so that quest is how he joins the new PC in DAIII. However it happens, he could be useful... if the story has anything to do with the first 2 games. Otherwise, he's likely to be a cameo at best.

Personally I like the idea that Cullen has no idea what to do because he doesn't wanna go off half-cocked, killing mages but without an Order to report to, he's left doing whatever he can to help people and falls in with the PC. Then they soon discover that all the magic and death and lyrium over the years is causing huges tears in the Veil. Tears that will enable the old Dragon Gods to return. It's something that Flemeth has been orchestrating to resurrect her kind and she would have the Tevinter worshipping she and her ilk while what's left of the rest of the world is treated like cattle, to be farmed for their blood and as slave labor. Or maybe she's really a good guy and has been working against someone else who wants this fate for the world. Another Dragon God perhaps? One who styled himself into "The Maker" and made the Andrastean religion up because he knew the world would stand only so many years of anti-magic oppression and cruelty before the Veil shredded into itty-bitty pieces.

Opportunites abound. And that's just the Thedosian side of things. There could be tons more possibilites with the Qunari still threatening to conquer everyone. Then there are the elves... maybe they find Arlathan again and who knows what they'd do with it...? ;)

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Oh, that is very interesting! My thanks, this explained a bit more and left things for me to contemplate.

That sounds like a good plot, Corypheus bringing the magisters down on Thedas while everyone is distracted by the war. I wonder if the Qunari wouldnt take the chance to get involved too, as they always seem to bring up how they will take Thedas.


You should check out the videos of it on YouTube, it's really cool.

Yeah, the Qunari are bound to be in the mix somewhere along the line.

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LolaLei wrote...

That's what I was hoping too. My theory was that the real threat was being over looked due to all the fighting and then all of a sudden sh!t hit the fan and the veil ripped completely open or Corypheus had done something to bring all the ancient magister back... Y'know, something dramatic and interesting like that lol.


hehehehehehe I just got done expounding on something similar. :D I do wonder if the Old Gods aren't pulling strings to try and free/resurrect themselves. Ripping the Veil open would certainly be a way to do that.

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Samara, did you read that supposed DA3 link? It's pretty convincing.

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LolaLei wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Oh, that is very interesting! My thanks, this explained a bit more and left things for me to contemplate.

That sounds like a good plot, Corypheus bringing the magisters down on Thedas while everyone is distracted by the war. I wonder if the Qunari wouldnt take the chance to get involved too, as they always seem to bring up how they will take Thedas.


You should check out the videos of it on YouTube, it's really cool.

Yeah, the Qunari are bound to be in the mix somewhere along the line.


I can see the Qunari getting wind of the whole Impending Torn Veil and they decide to wage war against anyone who harbors mages. They see the magic as being the most at fault for weakening the Veil so getting rid of mages or at least immobilizing them in some way is how they plan to "save" themselves. Kind of like how the Klingons thought they'd destroy the Dominion threat if they conquered Cardassia to prevent it from joining or falling to the Dominion so the dominion wouldn't get a foothold in the Alpha quadrant. All because of an intelligence report... Similarly the Qunari can come in and muck things up even more. Now that would be one H3LL of a mess!

Edit: No, I didn't Lola. I've seen it referenced here but I must confess I haven't gone off to read it yet. Guess I should do that.... :whistle:

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 15 août 2012 - 05:09 .


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LolaLei

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Samara: have a look and see what you think. There's "leaked" companion's too, you'll see one has been deleted, his name is Iron Bull and he's supposedly some Qunari that gets drunk, likes to fight and seems like a giant version of Oghren lol.

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Hmm interestingly the 'leak' thread was closed and a mod said it was a troll thread...

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This page needs a Cullen..even if it's not finished yet:
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Lonaargh - I like where this sketch is going! :)

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Xilizhra

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So, I imagine Cullen will be bisexual?

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Hm...it seems weird to me that he'd be bisexual but it is possible, I guess. I always imagined him being how Alistair was, where he only will get into a romance with a female character.

Modifié par Shades_Of_Pale, 15 août 2012 - 12:47 .


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Ehm, confused as to why you'd imagine him as bi to start with. Did I miss something? But yeah, he could be bi. Gay as well. It'd break my heart, but why not?

Modifié par Lonaargh, 15 août 2012 - 01:33 .


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A little bit more on the 'accidental' Dragon age3 listing at Gamescon.

http://www.nowgamer....t_gamescom.html

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LolaLei wrote...

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oh you slay me!

I've just wondered if Cullen's breath smells...like when he's yelling at Wilmod, do you think he looks horrified because Cullen's breath is terrible?


I dunno... I'm not sure if they'd have toothbrushes back then? I guess they could chew mint leaves or something?

In medieval Italy, people cleaned their teeth with rosemary ashes. The silica in the plant made the ashes slightly abrasive. Some Native American tribes chewed liccorice root. Not everybody had bad dental hygiene. At least not until the rennaisance introduced the widespread consumption of sugar.

Sorry. Food historian here.

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Xilizhra wrote...

So, I imagine Cullen will be bisexual?

I hope so. I enjoy role-playing male protagonists at times.

We haven't really seen enough of him to form a concrete opinion about his sexuality (although some no doubt have preferences). Sure, he was crushing on the female mage Warden before her Harrowing, but maybe the male mage Warden just didn't do it for him. Or he could have been in denial at the time. People can come out at any age.

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berelinde wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So, I imagine Cullen will be bisexual?

I hope so. I enjoy role-playing male protagonists at times.

We haven't really seen enough of him to form a concrete opinion about his sexuality (although some no doubt have preferences). Sure, he was crushing on the female mage Warden before her Harrowing, but maybe the male mage Warden just didn't do it for him. Or he could have been in denial at the time. People can come out at any age.


I agree with the "I hope so".

I often run with Izzy just because I like her personality.

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LolaLei

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I'm pretty sure they'll make him bisexual if he's a companion in DA3, that way everyone can have a chance with him lol.

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SamaraDraven

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berelinde wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

oh you slay me!

I've just wondered if Cullen's breath smells...like when he's yelling at Wilmod, do you think he looks horrified because Cullen's breath is terrible?


I dunno... I'm not sure if they'd have toothbrushes back then? I guess they could chew mint leaves or something?

In medieval Italy, people cleaned their teeth with rosemary ashes. The silica in the plant made the ashes slightly abrasive. Some Native American tribes chewed liccorice root. Not everybody had bad dental hygiene. At least not until the rennaisance introduced the widespread consumption of sugar.

Sorry. Food historian here.


Apples are good for cleaning teeth. I noticed that when I was working for Disney World and didn't have enough time during lunch to run to the bathroom and brush my teeth. After having an apple once after eating, I noticed that my teeth felt clean and my breath was far more manageable with mints and gum. After that, I had an apple with my lunch every day. Apple also washes away more cleanly with water than, say, garlic alfredo pasta. ^_^

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So one of the people that took that survey thinks she saw something about a Templar companion or something, probably not true but I'm gonna try and hunt down that survey, apparently it's on Toluna. There's supposedly artwork in that survey too, so I wanna have a look.

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@Samara: Absolutely! Good crisp apples are wonderful for that. The ADA used to recommend apples as a between-meal snack for that reason.

Er... yeah. Back on subject. I sometimes like to amuse myself by figuring out food likes and dislikes for various characters. For example, in my headcanon, Anders has a passion for bread pudding because it's homey and because it's a happy childhood memory. I wonder what kinds of foods Cullen likes. What would his favorite flavor ice cream be?

I'm thinking fudge ripple. He likes the bland sweetness of the vanilla and the guilty little thrill of hitting a big, juicy vein of sensuous chocolate. I'm thinking he doesn't like ice cream with nuts or chocolate chips in it though because the texture throws him.

@Lola: Please do! It will be interesting to see. I'd put money on it being a third-party upload (fake), though. There has been enough concept art leaked to make it look legit. There are the companion costume drawings, the leaked environmental art, the "batcave" one, and a few other tidbits here and there. Most of the art was taken down pretty quickly, but somebody with a quick eye and a lot of time on their hands could amass quite a collection.

Modifié par berelinde, 15 août 2012 - 03:39 .


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Ok ladies I've done a bit of digging around regarding that leak. I've not been able to do the survey yet because I'm still awaiting email confirmation, but I've asked a couple of people that have done it and apparently there is concept art of a Templar that looks a lot like Cullen wearing a unique outfit that doesn't look like your average Templar uniform. The message I recieved was as follows:

"It's a unique model for the Templar outfit, like we've never seen before actually. If it wasn't for the close ressemblance to Cullen I wouldn't have known at first glance it was supposed to be a Templar. The armor was like a faded yellow colour and he had like a tabard on with the Templar insignia on it (the sword you see on their chest armor in DA2.)"

I've yet to see the actual concept picture, but I'll try to get hold of it and post it here.

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So I recieved another message from the person shortly after saying:

"Ok from what Emzamination is saying there isn't any blonde guy...I'm sorry if i mislead you. I'm pretty sure i saw a Cullen type of guy and remember thinking "oh i know some girls at BSN who are gonna Squee!"
But maybe i was wrong, if so i'm sorry again."

So yuh, conflicting info there. I've asked her again about the character wearing the Templar uniform.

Modifié par LolaLei, 15 août 2012 - 05:38 .


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Got a reply, it say's:

"Not what we know as a typical Templar uniform no, but it had the Templar insignia on it. It sucks that Emazination isn't posting that particular picture up... Maybe I just looke at it too fast? Anyway, chances are those pictures will be all over the Internet in a few days. I cross my fingers that I wasn't wrong."

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Aha! Emzamination replied to me. I asked her about what the other person told me regarding the possible Cullen concept art and she said:

"There is a Knight with the sword of mercy on his chest but he doesn't look like Cullen to me, personally."

Now, if I can just find a copy of that picture...

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Personally, I still think it's a scam. Anybody remember MEG? Remember how forum pressure instigated an earlier-than-planned character reveal? I'd bet real money that this is an attempt at getting BioWare to unclench their lips a little.