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[R2s Muse]

On a lighter, totally OT note, I feel that I've now officially seen it all. My kid is watching Power Rangers in Space and the power rangers are fighting... the teenage mutant ninja turtles. /facepalm 

[Dirgegun]

On a lighter, totally OT note, I feel that I've now officially seen it all. My kid is watching Power Rangers in Space and the power rangers are fighting... the teenage mutant ninja turtles. /facepalm 

 

They're fighting Michael Bay's version of the TMNT. Hope the Power Rangers win with all your might!

[Xilizhra]

@Xilizhra @Dirgegun

 

Weather you guys disagree with me or not, Its fine, I just simply stated my own perspective on the matter and how I viewed things  based on my own experience, sure tough love doesn't work for everyone but for those that do I think it will only make them stronger.. that is all

Disagreement, yes. Especially as I loathe the entire concept and don't think your parents were using it at all, just... ordinary parenting.

[Adela]

I'm not saying your wrong. And I'm not saying not stopping the mirror is necessarily right. My issues with the whole thing was how it was written and how there were certain elements that encourage a very, very dangerous thought path.

 

Like it or not, there are parts in the Merrill rivalry that rely on blaming her for the decisions of others. Which, no matter what the circumstances, is bullcrap. The Keeper made her decision just as Pol did. To take responsibility for their actions and shove it into Merrill's hands and then treat that like the 'good' decision is just not okay and encouraging a terrible message. 

Yes I do agree that the clan blaming her was a  bit unnecessary  and I can see that being a bit damaging to her self esteem, I think that whole scene was unnecessary tbh

[meanieweenie]

The Power Rangers make my eyes bleed. lol I feel your pain, R2!

[Adela]

Disagreement, yes. Especially as I loathe the entire concept and don't think your parents were using it at all, just... ordinary parenting.

Xil... trust me at that point in my life it wasn't really  "ordinary parenting"  it was... a lot more then that.. witch I dont really want to go into detail,  but even with that dark past in my life it made me stronger today.. soo .. yea

[Dirgegun]

Yes I do agree that the clan blaming her was a  bit unnecessary  and I can see that being a bit damaging to her self esteem, I think that whole scene was unnecessary tbh

 

It's honestly infuriating that blaming Merrill for what the Keeper did is considered 'good' just because the clan doesn't attack. If SOME of the clan attacked but not all, if you choose to not blame her, then I would feel better about that decision not being considered 'bad'. The fact that the choice is between 'blame Merrill for a decision the Keeper made or massacre a Dalish clan' makes me side eye that whole plot.

 

The emotions the characters end up with in Merrill's rivalry path and Anders' rivalry path just make me hella uncomfortable. Especially whenever the rivalry path with Anders' is considered the right one. There's just something 'really now?' about that, because he ends up committing suicide at the end of that path and the fact his writer said she researched bi-polar for his character....

 

Well. Discomfort all over the place with that. 

[Xilizhra]

It's honestly infuriating that blaming Merrill for what the Keeper did is considered 'good' just because the clan doesn't attack. If SOME of the clan attacked but not all, if you choose to not blame her, then I would feel better about that decision not being considered 'bad'. The fact that the choice is between 'blame Merrill for a decision the Keeper made or massacre a Dalish clan' makes me side eye that whole plot.

 

The emotions the characters end up with in Merrill's rivalry path and Anders' rivalry path just make me hella uncomfortable. Especially whenever the rivalry path with Anders' is considered the right one. There's just something 'really now?' about that, because he ends up committing suicide at the end of that path and the fact his writer said she researched bi-polar for his character....

 

Well. Discomfort all over the place with that. 

We need an organized response to this, depending on how it comes across in Inquisition.

[Adela]

It's honestly infuriating that blaming Merrill for what the Keeper did is considered 'good' just because the clan doesn't attack. If SOME of the clan attacked but not all, if you choose to not blame her, then I would feel better about that decision not being considered 'bad'. The fact that the choice is between 'blame Merrill for a decision the Keeper made or massacre a Dalish clan' makes me side eye that whole plot.

 

The emotions the characters end up with in Merrill's rivalry path and Anders' rivalry path just make me hella uncomfortable. Especially whenever the rivalry path with Anders' is considered the right one. There's just something 'really now?' about that, because he ends up committing suicide at the end of that path and the fact his writer said she researched bi-polar for his character....

 

Well. Discomfort all over the place with that. 

Funny I never rivaled Anders even tho I dont like him that much I was always on a friendship path with him every play-through lol I tried to rival him once just for science but it never worked  I guess his sneaky that way

[Adela]

On a lighter, totally OT note, I feel that I've now officially seen it all. My kid is watching Power Rangers in Space and the power rangers are fighting... the teenage mutant ninja turtles. /facepalm 

they are still playing power rangers?? WOW I havent seen that in ages... do they still play captain planet too?

[R2s Muse]

they are still playing power rangers?? WOW I havent seen that in ages... do they still play captain planet too?

Yeah there is a current Power Rangers, PR Megaforce, but this is on Amazon Prime. I think now Number One Son has watched all eighteen thousand iterations of Power Rangers. But, adding in teenage mutant ninja turtles takes the cake. Even worse than Power Rangers Mystic Force. Oy vey. 

 

[Dirgegun]

I honestly only watched Power Rangers as a kid for the robot dinosaurs. I used to get so miffed at the episodes where the only time you saw them was before they combined. "No!" My child-self would say, on the verge of a tantrum. "I don't wanna see the stupid robot human. I want to see the dinos! (And smilodon and mammoth)" 

[Scroll]

What if Cullen's hair color is darker? Like they seem to have done with Varric.
(Trololol)
(Yes the hair is still my biggest DAI obsession. It's going to be horrible. )
Edit: It seeeems like it will be horrible...

[Owlfruit Potion]

What if Cullen's hair color is darker? Like they seem to have done with Varric.
(Trololol)
(Yes the hair is still my biggest DAI obsession. It's going to be horrible. )

 

I would be so happy to have his DAO hair color back.

[Adela]

What if Cullen's hair color is darker? Like they seem to have done with Varric.
(Trololol)
(Yes the hair is still my biggest DAI obsession. It's going to be horrible. )

Good point... even if they did made it darker I think it would be more close to how his hair looked in DAO witch I think it was a bit dark imo witch wasnt bad mind you

[MacyNell]

What if Cullen's hair color is darker? Like they seem to have done with Varric.
(Trololol)
(Yes the hair is still my biggest DAI obsession. It's going to be horrible. )
Edit: It seeeems like it will be horrible...

Honestly, I would prefer for it to be a bit darker than DA2, but only a bit.  Maybe somewhere between DA:O and DA2.  (Not the color of Varric's in those screenshots tho. Bleh.)  Even better, somewhere in this thread, someone mentioned that it would be nice if we could change or adjust companions hair.  I concur.  That would be a great thing.

[The Elder King]

About Anders, doesn't he want to die in both cases? The reasons are different, but he still wants to. He doesn't say he want to kill himself though.
Unless this is about supporting the templars, becuase I recall reading that he would kill himself after. I don't recall it happening of you sided with the mages.

[Dirgegun]

About Anders, doesn't he want to die in both cases? The reasons are different, but he still wants to. He doesn't say he want to kill himself though.
Unless this is about supporting the templars, becuase I recall reading that he would kill himself after. I don't recall it happening of you sided with the mages.

 

Yeah, siding with the templars. It's those different reasons that are very important, though, because his rivalry path is just brutal on him. It's a matter of the writing touching on some sensitive issues and not handling those issues the best it can-- or not realising that there are ways that it can be read that isn't the best of messages. Merrill's rivalry, for example, encouraging self-loathing, blame, and depression.

 

Pushing a character that was written with bi-polar in mind -- even if that's not exactly what he has in game, his behaviour was still based off of suffers of that -- to suicide is a bit uncomfortable. His wanting to die after blowing up the Chantry is about respecting the dead and justice. While his suicide is the option he takes to end the struggle within himself. If THAT is seen as the 'good' option for him, then... yeah, not entirely okay. 

[The Elder King]

Yeah, siding with the templars. It's those different reasons that are very important, though, because his rivalry path is just brutal on him. It's a matter of the writing touching on some sensitive issues and not handling those issues the best it can-- or not realising that there are ways that it can be read that isn't the best of messages. Merrill's rivalry, for example, encouraging self-loathing, blame, and depression.
 
Pushing a character that was written with bi-polar in mind -- even if that's not exactly what he has in game, his behaviour was still based off of suffers of that -- to suicide is a bit uncomfortable. His wanting to die after blowing up the Chantry is about respecting the dead and justice. While his suicide is the option he takes to end the struggle within himself. If THAT is seen as the 'good' option for him, then... yeah, not entirely okay.

Well, they'd have just needed to avoid that dialogue line in the templar support choice. Though to be fair, I think it isn't that far-fetched that he wanted to die after being possible forced in the destruction of the Chantry, and then forced to support the templars i the Annulment.
I don't have problems with the devs developing paths for characters that though negative feelings like Merrill and Anders though (even in the case it'd be forced). My problem is if it'd considered the better option. Though I think that maybe the rushed development influenced the execution.
Though about Anders' rivarly, how was the path brutal (before the end of the game)?

[Dirgegun]

Well, they'd have just needed to avoid that dialogue line in the templar support choice. Though to be fair, I think it isn't that far-fetched that he wanted to die after being possible forced in the destruction of the Chantry, and then forced to support the templars i the Annulment.
I don't have problems with the devs developing paths for characters that though negative feelings like Merrill and Anders though (even in the case it'd be forced). My problem is if it'd considered the better option. Though I think that maybe the rushed development influenced the execution.
Though about Anders' rivarly, how was the path brutal (before the end of the game)?

 

Oh, just seeing the war between Anders and Justice, basically, and how his control of himself was slipping. That's pretty brutal. I'm not saying that's BAD, mind. I have absolutely nothing against character arcs that take them down a path of destruction, whether that be mental, emotional or physical. My only problem is when that's considered the 'good' option for them/the option the player should see as best for that character when it clearly leaves them in an unhealthy mental state.

 

It's why the 'Carvar's rivalry is best because he needs his arse kicked' and 'Merrill's rivalry is best for her because it's like telling her to stop cutting' didn't seem right to me. Kicking the arse of a younger sibling who is struggling with feelings of inadequacy is not exactly a healthy way to deal with that, and Merrill's rivalry path comes across more like 'Merrill you can't be trusted with anything. Look at everything that has gone wrong. It's all your fault. You did this.' to me.

[Dirgegun]

And serious discussions are serious. Um. What about that Cullen? 

[Scroll]

I like blond Cullen. But to be honest I'm more disturbed over dark Varric.

[LolaLei]

I prefer blond Cullen, but so long as he's recognisable then I don't mind.

I won't be surprised if they hit him with the ugly stick, though.

[Adela]

I prefer blond Cullen, but so long as he's recognisable then I don't mind.

I won't be surprised if they hit him with the ugly stick, though.

ugly as in how? If they were to add scars on his face or whatever I dont necessarily consider that bad... but I guess that depends on the scar... if half his face is burned off.. then.. than can get a bit ... umm... unpleasant  to look at..

[CuriousArtemis]

Blah blah blah Merrill blah blah Carver, but friendship with Fenris is perfect and rivalry is for the devil

 

I'm with Sc0ll, the hair is concerning to me, but I keep whispering "pre-alpha, pre-alpha" to myself, and it makes me feel better. As for Cullen's hair color, I don't really care what it ends up as; I'm fine with Varric's hair color change. Hair color isn't a big deal to me since I change mine all the time anyway.