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[Hellion Rex]

...and this was *after* he started defending us.

Still pretty damn rude.

[Lorien19]

I just saw. The nerve of him...calling US crazy?

 

He certainly has no room to talk.

*sniff*

I take crazy more as a compliment to be honest.xP

[Jean]

Eh. Whether or not Cullen is a virgin or not doesn't really matter to me much unless it's something that ends up being important to his potential character arc.

 

If it does passively come up, I'd rather:

 

Inquisitor: So... You ever done anything like this before? *cheesy eyebrow waggle*

Cullen: Er, well... *awkward sideways glace*

 

I can take something like that as either a no, and he's embarrassed, or a "there was this one time with a lubed up nug and..." ect.

[R2s Muse]

That must've been interesting



anyone want to dare to venture into the void that is the old forums to find the stuff he said?

I have it all archived on my laptop when I get it fired up. He went through a phase of ripping on us then realizing we're the red headed stepchildren of BSN and started defending us. I know at least I legitimately teared up.

[BioFan (Official)]

I have it all archived on my laptop when I get it fired up. He went through a phase of ripping on us then realizing we're the red headed stepchildren of BSN and started defending us. I know ar least I legitimately teared up.

 

 

Yeah lol.... there are some ppl... let's just say they've been banned now... 

[Phate Phoenix]

LOL thanks! Ah the cross I bear.

(I'm sorry I couldn't help myself.)

[R2s Muse]

Still pretty damn rude.

well I think it's a bit hard to judge taken out of context, no? I was there and I don't believe it was intended to be rude.

[LolaLei]

well I think it's a bit hard to judge taken out of context, no? I was there and I don't believe it was intended to be rude.

 

Yeah, it was supposed to be reassurance, lol. It was more offensive when he was being rude about us.

[Phate Phoenix]

Eh. Whether or not Cullen is a virgin or not doesn't really matter to me much unless it's something that ends up being important to his potential character arc.

 

If it does passively come up, I'd rather:

 

Inquisitor: So... You ever done anything like this before? *cheesy eyebrow waggle*

Cullen: Er, well... *awkward sideways glace*

 

I can take something like that as either a no, and he's embarrassed, or a "there was this one time with a lubed up nug and..." ect.

 

Yes, this is perfect.  (I think this is another difference between Cullen and Alistair, who everyone seems to think Cullen will be like. Alistair really wanted to know. I can see Cullen not caring a whit.)

[SamaraDraven]

*hiss* says the Hawke-Cullen shipper.

 

LIKE!LIKE!LIKE!LIKE!LIKE!LIKE!LIKE!LLLLIIIIIIIIKEEE!!!!!

[R2s Muse]

Yeah, it was supposed to be reassurance, lol. It was more offensive when he was being rude about us.

yeah he had just finished defending us as being "polite" and "worthy" of being pandered to to a whole thread of haters. He followed it by coming in here, with sort of a curmudgeony "d'aw, I'm still a grumpy old man, gets outta here ya crazy kids."

On the other hand, the pitchforks comments, like Lola said, were actually offensive.

[Jean]

I have ideas of where he might go, but I don't headcanon anything as fact unless it actually happens. I'm not going to run down the studio because my ideas weren't canon. Guessing before release is just part of the fun for me. 

 

I think at worst if Cullen ends up being radically different from anything that I have thought of, I'll shrug and say "Huh." while continuing on with my game. Maybe I'll find him interesting, maybe I won't. 

[Lorien19]

I have ideas of where he might go, but I don't headcanon anything as fact unless it actually happens. I'm not going to run down the studio because my ideas weren't canon. Guessing before release is just part of the fun for me. 

 

I think at worst if Cullen ends up being radically different from anything that I have thought of, I'll shrug and say "Huh." while continuing on with my game. Maybe I'll find him interesting, maybe I won't. 

Pretty much this...Guessing and speculating is natural,esp when there is great anticipation for an upcoming game!

[Owlfruit Potion]

I have ideas of where he might go, but I don't headcanon anything as fact unless it actually happens. I'm not going to run down the studio because my ideas weren't canon. Guessing before release is just part of the fun for me. 

 

I think at worst if Cullen ends up being radically different from anything that I have thought of, I'll shrug and say "Huh." while continuing on with my game. Maybe I'll find him interesting, maybe I won't. 

 

I actively hope they violate my headcanon, because if he's actually off with Amell he can't be a love interest...

[Phate Phoenix]

I have ideas of where he might go, but I don't headcanon anything as fact unless it actually happens. I'm not going to run down the studio because my ideas weren't canon. Guessing before release is just part of the fun for me. 

 

I think at worst if Cullen ends up being radically different from anything that I have thought of, I'll shrug and say "Huh." while continuing on with my game. Maybe I'll find him interesting, maybe I won't. 

 

Exactly. I mean, I write fanfics and a few conversations, but I don't think that's how it'll go. (I tried that with both Joker and Anders and I got burned bad by canon. No more than mere whimsy for me!)

[Shyviolet]

I have ideas of where he might go, but I don't headcanon anything as fact unless it actually happens. I'm not going to run down the studio because my ideas weren't canon. Guessing before release is just part of the fun for me. 

 

I think at worst if Cullen ends up being radically different from anything that I have thought of, I'll shrug and say "Huh." while continuing on with my game. Maybe I'll find him interesting, maybe I won't. 

 

I have several headcanons! But I did with Anders too, and I didn't have a problem with the changes in him from DAA to DA2.  Besides, there are already a group of companions I'm keen to meet.

 

[R2s Muse]

Eh. Whether or not Cullen is a virgin or not doesn't really matter to me much unless it's something that ends up being important to his potential character arc.

 

If it does passively come up, I'd rather:

 

Inquisitor: So... You ever done anything like this before? *cheesy eyebrow waggle*

Cullen: Er, well... *awkward sideways glace*

 

I can take something like that as either a no, and he's embarrassed, or a "there was this one time with a lubed up nug and..." ect.

Agree. I'm not sure why it's really a big deal either way except for the former confusion about whether he also takes a vow of chastity. He doesn't so... :shrug: if it matters, hopefully it's because of something important for his story (*butdon'tletitbeawife*don'tletitbeawife*).

[R2s Muse]

Yeah lol.... there are some ppl... let's just say they've been banned now... 

As you'll see... um, no they haven't. Lots of mainstream forum folk like to pile on us. :shrug: It was fashionable. 

[SamaraDraven]

I have many many ideas and theories and options for how Cullen's story can go/has gone. I always found it silly of DG to be afraid of "breaking fan canon" when, even amongst ourselves, we break it all the bloody time! I know our zeal seems to translate into us being too invested and they're afraid of taking away our dividends but, really! We aren't stuck to one specific ideal of him. Most of us have even said at some point or another that the writers could do pretty much ANYTHING to him or with him and we'd be happy with it if it was done well. That's all I think we ask for. I don't think it's that scary.

[LolaLei]

I have ideas of where he might go, but I don't headcanon anything as fact unless it actually happens. I'm not going to run down the studio because my ideas weren't canon. Guessing before release is just part of the fun for me. 

 

I think at worst if Cullen ends up being radically different from anything that I have thought of, I'll shrug and say "Huh." while continuing on with my game. Maybe I'll find him interesting, maybe I won't. 

 

Agreed.

 

I prefer speculating about all the different possibilities more than coming up with head canons. Sure, I have preferences surrounding how I'd like to see his story and potential romance arc play out, and I have theories on where they'll probably take his story/romance arc, but beyond that, any "head canon" I have surrounding Cullen is just something to temporary fill in the gaps when coming up with hypotheticals.

[ahellbornlady]

I just realized I usually hate the intimate psychotherapy trope (like with Jack in ME2) because it's usually a guy healing a broken women with his dick but I have to admit I can't wait to help Cullen deal with his PTSD till he's healthy enough to love the inquisitor without guilt. IF HE'S A LI. WHICH HE SHOULD BE.

[R2s Muse]

Sooo... OK. It basically started here. I think there might have been one or two additional threads where he commented on us as crazy right around this one. But this is the primary pitchfork comment.
 

 

[[edit: I stand corrected: it actually started earlier in that same forum http://social.biowar...663/4#14931387 

Folks were ripping on us, we defended ourselves, and DG joined in... with them. ]]
 http://social.biowar...ndex/14916663/6

R2s Muse wrote...
*sigh* Hmm, "to-may-to, to-mah-to"? "I'm the rubber, you're the glue..."? Everyone gets so judgey about Cullen fans, when anyone who comes to these forums "off-season" is a fanatic at some level. Embrace the crazy.


True enough. The Cullen fans have a 1000+ page thread devoted to a relatively minor character-- they're no more crazy than someone spending years of their life on a forum to **** about things they don't like. They are, however, still crazy... so it might be worth not being quite so touchy about it every time someone looks their way. If these forums have proven anything, it's that they're a lightning rod for crazy in general.

I still think they'll be the first ones to surround the tower with pitchforks if something was potentially done with him that they didn't like-- but if not? Then cool. That would, however, certainly be a first.

And, yes... obviously I am referring to each and every one of them, who will all react in the exact same way, and not just to the lone few who would post their ire in every single thread they could. smilie

Not long after the following two threads happened.

What’s the Big Deal with Cullen?
http://social.biowar...939824#14940404

David Gaider wrote...

There is no "big deal". There's a small group of fans who like him (a lot!) and want to see him return, but there are almost more posts complaining about people asking for Cullen to return than there are posts asking for him to return. Yes, he is a minor character in the series, but this is hardly an aberration on these forums.

 
First Companion confirmed… when?
http://social.biowar...7213/1#14957677

David Gaider wrote...
 

Orian Tabris wrote...
Oh, good. So there's still hope that the DA3 won't be fan-pandering it's companions.


I assure you that if we did include Cullen as a follower, it wouldn't be solely to "pander" to his fans. Not that I would overly mind pandering to them. They're not a large group, but there's hardly a nicer and more polite group one could choose to pander to.

 
http://social.biowar...7213/2#14957836

David Gaider wrote...
 

Orian Tabris wrote...
I have nothing against you pandering to your fans, but if that pandering supersedes logic and/or sense, then I would say it's bad thing (not to mention, should not be done)


Why? I'm rather curious what it is about the Cullen fans that is so different about any other interest group on these forums. They all consist of a small group of people that post regularly and advocate for what they'd like to see in the next game. Why should some group advocating for their favorite character be considered "small and unimportant" while another group advocating for a design feature or a change to the graphical style be considered more numerous and totally relevant?

And, let's say we did implement a design feature that some fans on these forums advocated for-- do you honestly think the only reason we would implement it is because those specific fans asked? Because they're so numerous as to impact sales? Don't be silly. It would be because we thought it was a good idea, and happened to agree with them (whether the idea originated from them or not). Characters are no different. We'd no more base a character's inclusion solely on some fans asking for him than exclude that character solely because other fans said they didn't want to see him at all.

So I'd suggest not letting your biases show quite so strongly.
For me, it does sound like you're alluding (or using reverse psychology, perhaps) to Cullen actually being a companion.


If you like. Anytime we don't state something definitively, someone's going to read into what we say. Quite frankly, I'm just getting a little tired of people trying to paint Cullen's fans as something they're not-- the only rude or crude behavior I've seen, in fact, has come from those people and not the fans. And more threads suggesting we shouldn't listen to them then threads by those fans asking for anything.

 
This was immediately followed by us collectively gasping in shock, amazement, appreciation, you name it, so he stopped by. 
Cullen Thread
http://social.biowar...1/1083#14958317
 

David Gaider wrote...
 

Narcia_ wrote...
It's really heart warming to know that the devs recognize our good conduct, and aren't lumping us all in with the bad apples.


I still think y'all are crazy.

But then that would hardly make you unique on these forums, even so.

[LolaLei]

I just realized I usually hate the intimate psychotherapy trope (like with Jack in ME2) because it's usually a guy healing a broken women with his dick but I have to admit I can't wait to help Cullen deal with his PTSD till he's healthy enough to love the inquisitor without guilt. IF HE'S A LI. WHICH HE SHOULD BE.

 

It'll make a nice switch for the guy to be on the receiving end of the magical vagina/penis of joy.

[R2s Muse]

Have a Cullen instead.

[ahellbornlady]

It'll make a nice switch for the guy to be on the receiving end of the magical vagina/penis of joy.

 

Yes exactly. We couldn't cure Anders, maybe Cullen can still be saved. :'(