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So if that's what the rivalry path is about, I guess I'd support it. If it's all "You're pathetic. Get a real life." then probably not.

Which path did you prefer?

That's what the rivalry path is more about, and definitely moreso if you're diplomatic.

I rival Isabela. She's one of the only two people I rival habitually, other than Fenris. I would rival Sebastian, but I don't really care about his retaking Starkhaven and I don't want the Divine to attack, which gives me a lot of friendship points, so I friend him because it's easier.

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More sprint review tweets:

"Your head is going to explode when you get to see what I am seeing #sprintReviewDay"

"Jumper cables and builds? Only on #sprintReviewDay"

"Pixel wipe ftw! #sprintReviewDay"

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Xilizhra wrote...

So if that's what the rivalry path is about, I guess I'd support it. If it's all "You're pathetic. Get a real life." then probably not.

Which path did you prefer?

That's what the rivalry path is more about, and definitely moreso if you're diplomatic.

I rival Isabela. She's one of the only two people I rival habitually, other than Fenris. I would rival Sebastian, but I don't really care about his retaking Starkhaven and I don't want the Divine to attack, which gives me a lot of friendship points, so I friend him because it's easier.


LOL. I'm having fun imagining that Sebastian friendship with your Hawke.

(said in Ben Stein-esque tones of disinterest)
"You're so right. Uh uh. Your Chantry has no business interfering in Kirkwall. Yup. I agree that you're much more suited to being a nobody than the zealously religious leader of Starkhaven. You just keep sitting right there and accomplishing nothing. I support that."  Image IPB

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brushyourteeth wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So if that's what the rivalry path is about, I guess I'd support it. If it's all "You're pathetic. Get a real life." then probably not.

Which path did you prefer?

That's what the rivalry path is more about, and definitely moreso if you're diplomatic.

I rival Isabela. She's one of the only two people I rival habitually, other than Fenris. I would rival Sebastian, but I don't really care about his retaking Starkhaven and I don't want the Divine to attack, which gives me a lot of friendship points, so I friend him because it's easier.


LOL. I'm having fun imagining that Sebastian friendship with your Hawke.

(said in Ben Stein-esque tones of disinterest)
"You're so right. Uh uh. Your Chantry has no business interfering in Kirkwall. Yup. I agree that you're much more suited to being a nobody than the zealously religious leader of Starkhaven. You just keep sitting right there and accomplishing nothing. I support that."  Image IPB

That's more or less my train of thought. But the entirety of Exiled Prince forces you into being peacefully religious or angrily religious, especially in Faith. I honestly am considering uninstalling it if possible, for roleplaying reasons and because Sebastian screws up the flow of The Last Straw.

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Ooo, not only has Greg Ellis deleted that tweet but the photo as well. :-S

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Xilizhra wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

LOL. I'm having fun imagining that Sebastian friendship with your Hawke.

(said in Ben Stein-esque tones of disinterest)
"You're so right. Uh uh. Your Chantry has no business interfering in Kirkwall. Yup. I agree that you're much more suited to being a nobody than the zealously religious leader of Starkhaven. You just keep sitting right there and accomplishing nothing. I support that."  Image IPB

That's more or less my train of thought. But the entirety of Exiled Prince forces you into being peacefully religious or angrily religious, especially in Faith. I honestly am considering uninstalling it if possible, for roleplaying reasons and because Sebastian screws up the flow of The Last Straw.

I guess I never noticed because all my Hawkes have been, at most, politely disinterested in the Andrastian religion. He/she is kind of preset to be either friendly or unenthused, but rarely anti-Chantry just by way of his/her Ferelden upbringing, so Hawke just kind of goes along with the religious jargon as if he/she either agrees or just doesn't mind. So I can see how that'd be frustrating for anyone who wants to play it another way (especially one who's all for mage rebellion).

But I appreciates Sebastian as a character. No matter how you feel about the Chantry, he's actually quite genuine and very, very kind - even to the point of seeing where you come from in siding with the mages. In that sense, (assuming the world were complex enough to support it in the next game, but whatever) you may have made a valuable future ally by convincing Sebastian to defend the mages, in case he ever does become Prince. He actually admits that the Templars aren't doing "the Maker's work" which is actually a huge accomplishment. Of course if he's sworn vengeance on you, that's bad. But maybe he'll continue to sympathize with the Circle mages and want something better for them.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 17 août 2012 - 09:40 .


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LolaLei wrote...

Ooo, not only has Greg Ellis deleted that tweet but the photo as well. :-S


What photo was that, LL?

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But I appreciates Sebastian as a character. No matter how you feel about the Chantry, he's actually quite genuine and very, very kind - even to the point of seeing where you come from in siding with the mages. In that sense, (assuming the world were complex enough to support it in the next game, but whatever) you may have made a valuable future ally by convincing Sebastian to defend the mages, in case he ever does become Prince. He actually admits that the Templars aren't doing "the Maker's work" which is actually a huge accomplishment. Of course if he's sworn vengeance on you, that's bad. But maybe he'll continue to sympathize with the Circle mages and want something better for them.

He's... selectively kind, in the way that seems to be more common with religious people (though hardly universal). He's kind until someone goes against the dictates of his religion, in which case he contemplates betraying and imprisoning them. He also doesn't seem to see that many people as equals; he always talks like he's on some kind of noble/religious cloud, with everyone except Anders, who angers him enough to make him lose his rather egotistical poise.

Here are two rather good blog posts on the matter. This is first.
This being second.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 17 août 2012 - 09:50 .


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Xilizhra wrote...
He's... selectively kind, in the way that seems to be more common with religious people (though hardly universal). He's kind until someone goes against the dictates of his religion, in which case he contemplates betraying and imprisoning them. He also doesn't seem to see that many people as equals; he always talks like he's on some kind of noble/religious cloud, with everyone except Anders, who angers him enough to make him lose his rather egotistical poise.


That's fair, though I'm sure your characters are the same way - Kind until someone goes against the dictates of their most cherished beliefs, in which case they feel justified in taking some kind of extreme action against them.

Like "threaten mage independence and I will do whatever is necessary to stop you."

And you're right about his high-and-loftiness, which was probably spawned from his noble upbringing and only made worse by the Chantry (especially the Kirkwall Chantry. Elthina, WTF?)


Anyway... I found this fanart of Cullen being accosted by some prostitutes! How appropriate!

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It's from http://asktheknightcaptain.tumblr.com/

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That's fair, though I'm sure your characters are the same way - Kind until someone goes against the dictates of their most cherished beliefs, in which case they feel justified in taking some kind of extreme action against them.

Like "threaten mage independence and I will do whatever is necessary to stop you."

Do note that I'll only use lethal force in response to lethal force. I won't kill anyone just for talking.

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Xilizhra wrote...

That's fair, though I'm sure your characters are the same way - Kind until someone goes against the dictates of their most cherished beliefs, in which case they feel justified in taking some kind of extreme action against them.

Like "threaten mage independence and I will do whatever is necessary to stop you."

Do note that I'll only use lethal force in response to lethal force. I won't kill anyone just for talking.


Ahh. So when you were asking if we should have had the option to kill Cullen at the end of DAII, that's not something you would have actually done - got it. I think I totally misunderstood you. Sorry.  Image IPB

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brushyourteeth wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

That's fair, though I'm sure your characters are the same way - Kind until someone goes against the dictates of their most cherished beliefs, in which case they feel justified in taking some kind of extreme action against them.

Like "threaten mage independence and I will do whatever is necessary to stop you."

Do note that I'll only use lethal force in response to lethal force. I won't kill anyone just for talking.


Ahh. So when you were asking if we should have had the option to kill Cullen at the end of DAII, that's not something you would have actually done - got it. I think I totally misunderstood you. Sorry.  Image IPB

War is a tricky situation. The trouble is that he's already in the process of using lethal force during the Annulment, and in the war to come, his side dictates that the same would occur later on. So it's an option to consider.

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So I found an interest tweet by Sheryl Chee doing something she calls "Character Theme Song Thursday":

Sheryl Chee: "Character theme song Thursday! "Penitent," by Suzanne Vega. http://t.co/F3zZzX5z"

You can find the lyrics here:

http://www.azlyrics....a/penitent.html

If this is a hint towards DA3 companions that are characters we already know, then I'd say it would be Cullen. But then again, I would LOL!

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LolaLei wrote...

So I found an interest tweet by Sheryl Chee doing something she calls "Character Theme Song Thursday":

Sheryl Chee: "Character theme song Thursday! "Penitent," by Suzanne Vega. http://t.co/F3zZzX5z"

You can find the lyrics here:

http://www.azlyrics....a/penitent.html

If this is a hint towards DA3 companions that are characters we already know, then I'd say it would be Cullen. But then again, I would LOL!


Oh, that song was very lovely! Especially the lyrics.

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It's pretty isn't it! The first two verses of the song that strike me as something Cullen would be experiencing in his mind:

"Once I stood alone so proud
held myself above the crowd
now i am low on the ground.

From here i look around to see
what avenues belong to me
I can't tell what ive found."

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That being said, I guess it could also be applied to Sebastian in places.

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It does sound like something he's experiancing! But then, at this point I'd shove everything off as Cullen lol.

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Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

It does sound like something he's experiancing! But then, at this point I'd shove everything off as Cullen lol.


Same here! It could be Cullen though, since they've been recording his VO? Either way, it's an apt song for him.

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Not that I should keep bringing it up but..I really do wonder why Greg took his tweet and picture down...
Its all so frustrating and confusing!

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Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Not that I should keep bringing it up but..I really do wonder why Greg took his tweet and picture down...
Its all so frustrating and confusing!

Witness protection program?

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Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Not that I should keep bringing it up but..I really do wonder why Greg took his tweet and picture down...
Its all so frustrating and confusing!


Maybe he realised after he done it that he probably wasn't supposed to divulge the information? Or maybe he was asked to take it down? I'd like to think he only put it up temporarily for fans who were quick enough to catch it.

I really hope they won't shorten Cullen's role or cut it completely.

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LolaLei wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Not that I should keep bringing it up but..I really do wonder why Greg took his tweet and picture down...
Its all so frustrating and confusing!


I'd like to think he only put it up temporarily for fans who were quick enough to catch it.

I really hope they won't shorten Cullen's role or cut it completely.


Thats what I kept thinking, that he put it up as a teaser for the fans who got it fast enough. 

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At this point, I don't think they could cut a companion because the VA made a mistake. Rewrites are expensive. Better to just let it go and leave it as an enigmatic teaser.

Of course, there's no guarantee that it was anything more than a cuttable cameo, but a girl can hope.

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berelinde wrote...

At this point, I don't think they could cut a companion because the VA made a mistake. Rewrites are expensive. Better to just let it go and leave it as an enigmatic teaser.

Of course, there's no guarantee that it was anything more than a cuttable cameo, but a girl can hope.


Yeah that's what I'm worried about, that he's a cameo that can be cut out.

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LOL I just found a tumblr post with Greg's tweet in, it's literally 400+ pages of squeeing! Best thing I've read all day... Er, aside from Greg's actual tweet of course lol!