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Not much more so than the average Thedosian in regards to the Qunari.

I didn't say he was. Although the very first thing he says about them is "they are heathens." Then there's that comment to Oghren that I've heard mentioned before.

 

I have a strong feeling that my Inquisitor and he would not have any immediate reasons to get along.



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One thing about Cullen: he does seem to have a bigoted streak towards non-Andrastians, if his comments about the qunari are any indication.

 

Oh, most definitely. I wonder if he'll trust a Tal-Vashoth Inquisitor immediately, or if he'll need constant reminding (like everyone) that they are not Qunari, they are Tal-Vashoth.

 

I rather liked that you confront Leliana about her statements about elves, and I hope you can have a similar confrontation with Cullen, too. Perhaps he won't take it as well, but Leliana was probably just as religious, if not more, than Cullen was, and she welcomed any Warden.



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I didn't say he was. Although the very first thing he says about them is "they are heathens." Then there's that comment to Oghren that I've heard mentioned before.

 

I have a strong feeling that my Inquisitor and he would not have any immediate reasons to get along.

Like you and Viv? :rolleyes:



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Oh, most definitely. I wonder if he'll trust a Tal-Vashoth Inquisitor immediately, or if he'll need constant reminding (like everyone) that they are not Qunari, they are Tal-Vashoth.

 

I rather liked that you confront Leliana about her statements about elves, and I hope you can have a similar confrontation with Cullen, too. Perhaps he won't take it as well, but Leliana was probably just as religious, if not more, than Cullen was, and she welcomed any Warden.

Leliana was, frankly, a heretic. Her opinions on the Maker broke Chantry doctrine in quite a few places, which is probably why I like her as much as I do.

 

 

Like you and Viv? :rolleyes:

Exactly. I also would have strong worries about redundancy with Cassandra in Cullen's case.



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Leliana was, frankly, a heretic. Her opinions on the Maker broke Chantry doctrine in quite a few places, which is probably why I like her as much as I do.

 

 

Exactly. I also would have strong worries about redundancy with Cassandra in Cullen's case.

Idk. Cass is a Seeker and Cullen is a Templar, and there could be a whole world of nuance between their viewpoints. And I could also see why they might potentially have some friction.



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yea the 2nd time is always better cause you get to do things that you might have missed ;)  altho the re work for that is not quite as fun imo

 

 

I'll form a system for quickness. 

 

 

Hey guys, here's a fun thing that could help me with the gifs! If you have in-game pics of cullen you took yourself, PM them to me!

I need full face/hair included in the pics. 

 

It'd help me a bunch! There's only so many pics of him on google images. 

 

 

I'll take any and all you've got. Bring it on! 



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Leliana was, frankly, a heretic. Her opinions on the Maker broke Chantry doctrine in quite a few places, which is probably why I like her as much as I do.

 

 

Exactly. I also would have strong worries about redundancy with Cassandra in Cullen's case.

 

I never thought of it like that with Leliana, simply because of where she is currently stationed within the Chantry's rankings. But that's very true, if only very early on when she was (possibly) traveling with the Warden.

 

In regards to Cullen and Cassandra, I get the feeling I'd have to watch Dawn of the Seeker (that is the movie, right) in order to answer this question better. I don't know Cassandra as a character enough to make a judgement about how she and Cullen differentiate. For that matter, I don't think I know Cullen well enough for that, either.  :lol:



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Exactly. I also would have strong worries about redundancy with Cassandra in Cullen's case.

 

I don't see how Cullen and Cassandra are more redundant than, say, Anders and Merrill?

 

Why would we need two "apostate" mages with unconventional magical views in the party? Except they're totally different because they're characters, not lists of attributes.


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I never thought of it like that with Leliana, simply because of where she is currently stationed within the Chantry's rankings. But that's very true, if only very early on when she was (possibly) traveling with the Warden.

 

In regards to Cullen and Cassandra, I get the feeling I'd have to watch Dawn of the Seeker (that is the movie, right) in order to answer this question better. I don't know Cassandra as a character enough to make a judgement about how she and Cullen differentiate. For that matter, I don't think I know Cullen well enough for that, either.  :lol:

Please, do go watch it. It's actually pretty decent, despite what some people say about it. It also fills in some nice background about Cass, as well as what happened to her brother.



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Idk. Cass is a Seeker and Cullen is a Templar, and there could be a whole world of nuance between their viewpoints. And I could also see why they might potentially have some friction.

It's been sort of done with Oghren and Sigrun, but that was in a DLC and I think that Cassandra and Cullen are even more similar than those two.

 

 

I don't see how Cullen and Cassandra are more redundant than, say, Anders and Merrill?

 

Why would we need two "apostate" mages with unconventional magical views in the party? Except they're totally different because they're characters, not lists of attributes.

They have nothing at all in common aside from their class and some approval flags. Cassandra and Cullen have the class, as well as being part of the same religious hierarchy that was under the same leader until recently; they were practically comrades-in-arms who were just stationed in different places. Additionally, their personalities don't seem titantically different, except that Cassandra is somewhat more willing to break with Chantry orthodoxy.



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I don't see how Cullen and Cassandra are more redundant than, say, Anders and Merrill?

 

Why would we need two "apostate" mages with unconventional magical views in the party? Except they're totally different because they're characters, not lists of attributes.

 

I don't think that's entirely accurate? Anders (ignoring the whole Justice thing) was a Circle Mage who became a Grey Warden, and Merrill is a Dalish blood mage. Cullen and Cassandra both come from a military-esque organization run by the same religion. There could be a very huge difference between Seekers and Templars, but there's definitely a greater area for crossover than with Merrill and Anders, ya know?

 

Not that I think Cassandra and Cullen would be very similar, granted. Cassandra seems more spitfire and aggressive, and Cullen soft-spoken and slow-and-steady. But their views could intersect in many places. It's a valid concern (one I have myself).



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I don't actually think Anders and Merrill are similar - my point was that if you reduce characters to a handful of attributes, they may seem similar, but characters are more than a handful of attributes.

 

Even if they were both templars (and from my understanding Seekers are actually quite different) that doesn't necessarily mean they would be too alike to bring anything to a party, because they are people, not job descriptions.


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I've been wanting to say this for a while, because I've seen it in a number of places (and lord knows wanting my Warden or Inquisitor to kiss the tears away is part of my attraction if I'm being honest) and I don't want to sound like I'm attacking anyone in particular, but could we talk a little bit about the language of "curing his PTSD with my love/sex"? It kind of makes me uncomfortable. I guess I'm hoping maybe some of the people in the thread with more psych background than me can, I don't know, provide us with some informed commentary about (a) the extent to which people with PTSD eventually lose their symptoms, ( b. the role their loved ones play in this, and © the (courtesy? respect?) one is required to afford a fictional person in this regard? (Parts a and b are the scientist in me seeking information, Part c, I guess, translates to "am I totally walking around with a stick up my ass here"?)


I would love to talk to you about this in great detail right now but I can't! I do have something that could help some ; I don't know if this will answer all your questions (or answer them too much lol!) but a while ago I did a really long thing on PTSD in this thread- I'd talk about it but I'm so, so tired can I just give you the links for now? You don't have to read them but I explain/talk about some of the things you are asking about :D just scroll down to kirrahe1 posts lol!

http://social.biowar...ex/8201931/2209

http://social.biowar...ex/8201931/2212

http://social.biowar...ex/8201931/2217
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I don't actually think Anders and Merrill are similar - my point was that if you reduce characters to a handful of attributes, they may seem similar, but characters are more than a handful of attributes.

 

Even if they were both templars (and from my understanding Seekers are actually quite different) that doesn't necessarily mean they would be too alike to bring anything to a party, because they are people, not job descriptions.

 

I think the problem is that the characters really aren't just people in a lot of cases. They're more like... the personification of the issues your character will face throughout the game. My one concern about Cullen's chance of being a companion (I think we've got the romance bit almost locked in) is that what he personifies can also be personified by Cassandra. Pro-Chantry, Pro-Templar, Pro-Divine, Anti-Orlais...

 

That's really the one thing that makes me go, "Well, maybe he's not." I'd be fine with an NPC romance, but I'd rather have him bumming around with us.



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I'm pretty convinced that Cullen is a companion at this point.


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I'm pretty convinced that Cullen is a companion at this point.

 

I'm confident Cullen's a companion, but, niggling doubt lingers. 


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Pro-Chantry, Pro-Templar, Pro-Divine, Anti-Orlais...

 

Ah, I see. I'm not convinced all of these still apply to Cullen. I guess we'll have to wait to find out.  ;)



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Ah, I see. I'm not convinced all of these still apply to Cullen. I guess we'll have to wait to find out.  ;)

 

Exactly! I want to know more about Cullen so I can better make these determinations, but, until then, soul-crushing doubt.



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Exactly! I want to know more about Cullen so I can better make these determinations, but, until then, soul-crushing doubt.

And bloody warrior bloody oversaturation.



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And bloody warrior bloody oversaturation.

The last one could still be the Mustache guy, who I think could still be a mage.



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The last one could still be the Mustache guy, who I think could still be a mage.

That's still four warriors, which is the oversaturation. And if Mustachio is the last companion, the party is also an enormous sausagefest.

 

Maybe there'll be mutually exclusive companions somewhere.



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And bloody warrior bloody oversaturation.

 

I'm also still not convinced the Iron Bull is a companion. :D DENIAL IS NOT JUST A RIVER IN EGYPT.



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That's still four warriors, which is the oversaturation. And if Mustachio is the last companion, the party is also an enormous sausagefest.

 

Maybe there'll be mutually exclusive companions somewhere.

But yes!!!! I am totally down with a "sausagefest" as you dub it. More hot guys for me to look at!

:wub:


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But yes!!!! I am totally down with a "sausagefest" as you dub it. More hot guys for me to look at!

:wub:

Well, how bloody wonderful for you. I'll be over here trying to work out how far this might set back something akin to equal gender ratios.



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Well, how bloody wonderful for you. I'll be over here trying to work out how far this might set back something akin to equal gender ratios.

Haha, you get Sera and Viv and Cass!

 

 

In all honesty though, I have no clue what stories that they could tell with women companions. I am at a loss.