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[R2s Muse]

@berelinde, nah, not too dark. Good dark... Esp liked the last lines. Altho honestly I was expecting something lighthearted until I saw the author's note, given the prompt.

[R2s Muse]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Wouldn't it be nice helping him through it, though? Oh, it'd make the romance soo...(I can't quite grasp for the word)

soo... Letting you fix him...?  The fixer in me likes it, but it would be nice  to have a bit more of a foundation for a romance, IMO.

[Shades_Of_Pale]

But if you think about it..won't it be like an Anders/Justice thing in a way? Him slowly losing himself...

[berelinde]

R2s Muse wrote...
Do you want to see Cullen dealing with his lyrium addiction in DA3? Should they acknowledge and brush it under the rug? Or address it full on, with him experiencing symptoms and doing desperate things for a fix? What would you prefer?

This is just me, but I would prefer that they address it full on. We have met more than one lyrium-addled templars in the course of the series (and seen more than one more in the books), so brushing off his addiction would be jarring. Mind you, I don't want him to have sold his body to get his fix - despite what I wrote, "innocent Cullen" is headcanon - but I don't want the rules of the game universe to be broken just for him. If they made him a companion *and* a templar, I would prefer that they play by their own rules and stick to the lore.

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As a completely irrelevent aside, this is really turning out to be borderline non-con writing week. One of the reasons my fic has stalled (apart from lack of time) is that I'm struggling to depict what might be construed as date rape in a sensitive, non-romanticized way without demonizing one party or immasculating the other. So why not cut it? I may. It serves an inportant purpose in the story, but if I can't make it work, it's got to go. Not that this is of interest to anybody here, but it's one of the reasons I've been scarce lately.

[R2s Muse]

Lonaargh wrote...

The caretaking person in me is all "Noooo... I don't want to see him suffer like that!"
But the lore/story adoring person in me is more "Not doing anything with his addiction will be a major plothole.. boo for that. Let the bugger suffer!"

LOL I know what you mean. Don't really want him to suffer... But I also find I have no interest in that particular storyline... I dunno, maybe I've watched Less than Zero and Trainspotting too many times, but addiction stories have lost their appeal for me, personally. That said, any Cullen storyline appeals to me, so I suppose I'd get over it. LOL

[R2s Muse]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

But if you think about it..won't it be like an Anders/Justice thing in a way? Him slowly losing himself...

Good point. It would be cool to be his anchor and bring him back to himself.

[R2s Muse]

@berelinde, sending good writing vibes.... That sounds tough. And yeah, you make a good point about Cullen.

[Shades_Of_Pale]

Do you think blood magic can pull the lyrium from a templar's bloodstream? And if they experimented enough that they could do it without killing the templar, almost like making a cure?

[berelinde]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Do you think blood magic can pull the lyrium from a templar's bloodstream? And if they experimented enough that they could do it without killing the templar, almost like making a cure?

Would Cullen consent to using blood magic, even if it cured his lyrium addiction? My gut says no.

As for whether it's possible, I don't know. It is the bulding block of the universe. I think it might bind with the blood and be impossible to remove.

[LolaLei]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Do you think blood magic can pull the lyrium from a templar's bloodstream? And if they experimented enough that they could do it without killing the templar, almost like making a cure?

Now that's really interesting! I could imagine him getting to the stage in-game where he's suffering from lyrium withdrawal due to lack of supplies or something and he desperately needs help but the only way to help him would be to pull it from his veins with blood magic. Especially if you play as a mage and have to learn blood magic just to save him. I could imagine him asking you not to do it because he's scared that the demons would stand a higher chance of possessing you and would rather die than put your life at risk, but as he begins to slip away and no other help could be found you can choose to either let him die or risk blood magic and demon possession. You save him but he's a bit weird with you at first because you're now a blood mage, from there depending on how you treat him etc will depend on if he decides to stay with you romantically/in the party.

Modifié par LolaLei, 19 août 2012 - 09:27 .

[Shades_Of_Pale]

LolaLei wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Do you think blood magic can pull the lyrium from a templar's bloodstream? And if they experimented enough that they could do it without killing the templar, almost like making a cure?

Now that's really interesting! I could imagine him getting to the stage in-game where he's suffering from lyrium withdrawal due to lack of supplies or something and he desperately needs help but the only way to help him would be to pull it from his veins with blood magic. Especially if you play as a mage and have to learn blood magic just to save him. I could imagine him asking you not to do it because he's scared that the demons would stand a higher chance of possessing you and would rather die than put your life at risk, but as he begins to slip away and no other help could be found you can choose to either let him die or risk blood magic and demon possession. You save him but he's a bit weird with you at first because you're now a blood mage, from there depending on how you treat him etc will depend on if he decides to stay with you romantically/in the party.

Now that would make for a very interesting romance!

[simplykaotic222]

R2s Muse wrote...

Here's an inferior question as she thinks of one... Berelinde's story got me thinking... Do you want to see Cullen dealing with his lyrium addiction in DA3? Should they acknowledge and brush it under the rug? Or address it full on, with him experiencing symptoms and doing desperate things for a fix? What would you prefer?

Interesting.  hmmm   i think i'd like them to address it, but not make his whole story/romance around that.  Like maybe you find him in lyrium withdrawl and help him through it. And b/c you helped him and stuck with him during his darker moments, he sticks around and helps you with missions and your own personal issues/darker moments.  You've both seen each other at your best and worst, and * POOF* your in love.  lol   well  not quite like that, Im not a story teller but i think you get the idea.   

[simplykaotic222]

LolaLei wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Do you think blood magic can pull the lyrium from a templar's bloodstream? And if they experimented enough that they could do it without killing the templar, almost like making a cure?

Now that's really interesting! I could imagine him getting to the stage in-game where he's suffering from lyrium withdrawal due to lack of supplies or something and he desperately needs help but the only way to help him would be to pull it from his veins with blood magic. Especially if you play as a mage and have to learn blood magic just to save him. I could imagine him asking you not to do it because he's scared that the demons would stand a higher chance of possessing you and would rather die than put your life at risk, but as he begins to slip away and no other help could be found you can choose to either let him die or risk blood magic and demon possession. You save him but he's a bit weird with you at first because you're now a blood mage, from there depending on how you treat him etc will depend on if he decides to stay with you romantically/in the party.

ooooh, i like this idea.  very interesting indeed. 

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

Do you want to see Cullen dealing with his lyrium addiction in DA3? Should they acknowledge and brush it under the rug? Or address it full on, with him experiencing symptoms and doing desperate things for a fix? What would you prefer?

I think we should see it at least in passing from him. I kinda feel like we don't really take the whole Templar lyrium withdrawal thing too seriously because we've not been around Templars enough on a personal level to really care; BUT to see a companion/LI (in this case Cullen) going through such pain, (especially once we've grown attached to him) would really drive the message home about the struggles Templars face and the possible corruption of the Chantry if it turns out that lyrium isn't needed at all (like Alistair theorises.) 

... Plus, I kinda wanna see Cullen suffer a little more before our protagonist rescues him, just so that he'll be extra appreciative of him/her. 

[Shades_Of_Pale]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Do you want to see Cullen dealing with his lyrium addiction in DA3? Should they acknowledge and brush it under the rug? Or address it full on, with him experiencing symptoms and doing desperate things for a fix? What would you prefer?

... Plus, I kinda wanna see Cullen suffer a little more before our protagonist rescues him, just so that he'll be extra appreciative of him/her. 

Lol. You cruel woman! Poor little guy.

[LolaLei]

Ah but it makes his salvation (and sexy time) even more sweet!

Modifié par LolaLei, 19 août 2012 - 10:02 .

[berelinde]

The thing is, if they're going to make a templar go through lyrium withdrawal, they're going to have to make lyrium potions a *lot* more scarce. I run mages a lot, but I rarely, if ever, remember to use them. Especially not in DA2 where mages actually have significant DPS just from their staves. If the party has 15 lyrium potions in the inventory and another 35 back in the chest at home, why in the eleven nations of Thedas would *any* lyrium-dependent party member have to go through the agony of withdrawal?

[LolaLei]

berelinde wrote...

The thing is, if they're going to make a templar go through lyrium withdrawal, they're going to have to make lyrium potions a *lot* more scarce. I run mages a lot, but I rarely, if ever, remember to use them. Especially not in DA2 where mages actually have significant DPS just from their staves. If the party has 15 lyrium potions in the inventory and another 35 back in the chest at home, why in the eleven nations of Thedas would *any* lyrium-dependent party member have to go through the agony of withdrawal?

Good point! They'd have to change things, like maybe in battle the mages magic will rejuvinate itself, rather than using lyrium all the time or something.

I guess perhaps Cullen could choose to stop using Lyrium altogether, like if we discover that the Chantry was only using it to control the Templars by getting them addicted, so Cullen would be like "I don't care if this kills me, I need to get the lyrium out of my system" or perhaps he wants to look into a way to get it out of his system without the side effects, but the only antidote they find is blood magic related, to which he refuses and instead decides to go cold turkey and thats where the rest of my above post would come in.

[Melca36]

Seriously thinking of taking a break from the boards. I don't think people should believe everything from those leaks and I truly think people are wasting their energy making all these assumptions on that thread.

There are already people who assume we won't be able to play mages if we are inquisitors. The would NEVER get rid of the mage class. 

Modifié par Melca36, 19 août 2012 - 10:25 .

[Reznore57]

I'm not even sure someone can recover from lyrium addiction...I think they go insane.
Not sure though...

I like the idea of dealing with this issue , but not sure about a companion suffering from it.
I'm really "weak" when it comes to companion in pain.
So i forgive everything despite being angry ( I hate you so much poor Anders!)
Cole already seems like the type that may cause me to slam my head on the desk in distress...

I don't know ,really Anders traumatized me ...you can't help him.I never romance him but it did break my heart watching him drown .

[berelinde]

Samson, the mage smuggler who helps you find Feynriel and who turns up later in Best Served Cold, is a former lyrium addict who has recovered. He still has horrific cravings, but he isn't insane by a long shot. Of course, that assumes that Thrask wasn't slipping him dust when he thought nobody was looking.

[LolaLei]

berelinde wrote...

Samson, the mage smuggler who helps you find Feynriel and who turns up later in Best Served Cold, is a former lyrium addict who has recovered. He still has horrific cravings, but he isn't insane by a long shot. Of course, that assumes that Thrask wasn't slipping him dust when he thought nobody was looking.

Nah he still takes Lyrium, he said that he was begging for coin to feed his "dust" habit. I think he tried to come off it but the addiction was too strong.

[Melca36]

I think it effects people in different ways.

I still think there should be consequences to what Alistair said about not really needing Lyrium

[LolaLei]

Actually scrap that, i might have got the Samson thing wrong. Cant find any videos to double check.

[LolaLei]

Melca36 wrote...

I think it effects people in different ways.

I still think there should be consequences to what Alistair said about not really needing Lyrium

Yeah, it would be cool if there was. I might have imagined it but didn't DG say that Alistair got it wrong or something?