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[berelinde]

DA3 is crucial to the continuation of the franchise. They know this, and in an effort to unite diverse elements of their player base.... they choose a controversial, intrinsically divisive protagonist.

*double facepalm*

[Jean]

ME3 was actually delayed for a while so Bioware could polish it.. I don't know where people got rushed from.
Either way, I think "Bioware rushed the game!!" has become the new reason people are going to give if they don't like something about a Bioware game. Same as "He's so whiny!!" is the reason most people give about male character they don't like - mostly human male characters.

I wish Bioware could have the freedom to experiment with different elements in their games without ending up possibly risking big chunks of their fanbases because something was "different", even if sometimes the different isn't a great different. Isn't that how the company could grow, develop and see "so this isn't what people want, but this worked great!"
Oh, people.. 

Modifié par Batteries, 21 août 2012 - 03:21 .

[carine]

Batteries wrote...

ME3 was actually delayed for a while so Bioware could polish it.. I don't know where people got rushed from.
Either way, I think "Bioware rushed the game!!" has become the new reason people are going to give if they don't like something about a Bioware game. Same as "He's so whiny!!" is the reason most people give about male character they don't like - mostly human male characters.

No kidding. 
People about Kaidan: He's so whiny!
People about Alistair: He's so whiny!
People about Anders: He's so whiny!

It's ridiculous. Especially in the case of Alistair and Kaidan. My two favorite male LIs! Haha.

[carine]

berelinde wrote...

DA3 is crucial to the continuation of the franchise. They know this, and in an effort to unite diverse elements of their player base.... they choose a controversial, intrinsically divisive protagonist.

*double facepalm*

I think it's the fact that we know next to nothing about the protagonist that it seems that way. I mean, I'm eternally optimistic about everything, but I doubt that they would shoehorn you into something for the entire game. I can see them doing something like starting you out as a part of the Chantry or something, but it'll ultimately be your decision on which way you want to go. Like how you had to be a Grey Warden in DA:O, but you could be, "I don't want to be a Grey Warden!" and then Duncan has to evoke the Right of Conscription. You could spend the entire game hating on the Grey Wardens, even though you still had to be a warden.

I mean, hell... we don't even know if this leak is true. 

In which case, I'd hope that the only thing that was true about the leak is Cullen as a companion.  

[brushyourteeth]

Unfortunately, if we only get two male LI's I don't think we'll get both Cullen and Regalyan -- they're both very pro-Chantry, which would make a lot of male-romancing DA players really unhappy. Which I can totally understand - it's quite unbalanced, and it would make it kind of annoying on any anti-Chantry playthrough if both of your male options disagreed with your principles (especially since we're going back to approval/disapproval) 

Which isn't to say that you couldn't convince them to take your side, but that's not exactly the same thing. My anti-Chantry character is probably going to have a hard time falling in love with someone who tells me the mages need to be good and go back to their prison. 

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 21 août 2012 - 03:47 .

[carine]

mayrabgood wrote...

I loved DA2 so anything better than that would just make me happier and even more satisfied. No matter what they do with DA3, I know I'm going to enjoy it...unless they kill off Alistair or something. But whether the leaks are true or false, I really don't care...well only the Cullen part. I do care about that!

Same. Unless they do something drastic... like suddenly take away the option to play as a female character... I know I'm going to like DA3. The characters in BioWare games are almost always memorable and that's the part I look forward to the most. 

[berelinde]

You see, that's the part I have a problem with. The "starting you out as a member of". I literally could not care less what they make the protagonist do once you're out of the prologue, but for those first few moments of the game, I want to be able to say what my character's beliefs and values are, and I want to be the one to decide their political agenda. I don't want BioWare deciding that my character has been a devout Andrastian all his life, or that he voluntarily went along with a group I as a player do not want him to belong to.

Origins did it right. You could decide what your character was (human, elf, mage, dwarf, what have you), *and* that choice had no bearing on his or her beliefs. Your mage character could love the chantry or hate it, and she had ample opportunities to express her opinion. DA2 streamlined it a bit. Your character was Hawke, a human commoner, but you were free to make him out to be as devout (or irreverent) as you pleased.

If your character began the game as a merchant with a stall in the marketplace and got swept into the events of the game against his will, that would be fine. He might be a radical defender of mage freedom or he might be one of Lambert's best buddies. That's up to the player to decide. Starting him out as a part of the chantry takes even the illusion of choice.

I know this is hard to understand, but it is a very important distinction. Do I trust BioWare to preserve that choice? I want to think that they will, but I am going to have to wait until they release some actual information to know for sure.

[berelinde]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Unfortunately, if we only get two male LI's I don't think we'll get both Cullen and Regalyan -- they're both very pro-Chantry, which would make a lot of male-romancing DA players really unhappy. Which I can totally understand - it's quite unbalanced, and it would make it kind of annoying on any anti-Chantry playthrough if both of your male options disagreed with your principles (especially since we're going back to approval/disapproval) 

Which isn't to say that you couldn't convince them to take your side, but that's not exactly the same thing. My anti-Chantry character is probably going to have a hard time falling in love with someone who tells me the mages need to be good and go back to their prison. 

Come on, my morale is hanging by a thread as it is. Do you have to crush all my hopes?

Actually, we know that Galyan *used* to be a moderate. That was before the events of Asunder, though. If push came to shove, I could see him changing sides. Even Anders once believed that mages should work for change within the system.

Modifié par berelinde, 21 août 2012 - 04:05 .

[Jinx]

Yeah Batteries I totally agree....I personaly love both DA's and all of the Mass Effect games(I think some people just like to complain no matter what)

Modifié par cacey lee, 21 août 2012 - 03:54 .

[berelinde]

cacey lee wrote...

Yeah Batteries I totally agree....I personaly love both DA's and all of the Mass Effect games(I think some people just like to complain no matter what)

Some people like player agency. Others like games on rails. Takes all types.

[Reznore57]

There's a tevinter magister in the leak survey.
Not a crazy mage , he seems to fight corruption .

I just hope the romance will be more fleshed out this time ...In da2 ,sometimes I wondered if i was in a romance at all .

And i could use a drama free romance ...I know the writers think we want drama even when we say we don't ...But maybe I'm getting old but the whole "chase me /You can't have me/wait i love you but blablabla" starts to get on my nerves.

My favorite romance was Isabella , not even the romance of my cannon Hawke.
Just because it was mostly drama free and fun.
I think Hawke journey had enough drama already ...

[Xilizhra]

Merrill's romance doesn't have any drama in it, assuming you friendmance her.

[Reznore57]

Yeah well i have trouble staying friend with her....I mean i like her , If i could i would ....
But her mirror look like she found it in a trashcan in hell...
So she always end up thinking i don't trust her ...which is not the case , i don't trust the Eluvian.

[brushyourteeth]

berelinde wrote...

DA3 is crucial to the continuation of the franchise. They know this, and in an effort to unite diverse elements of their player base.... they choose a controversial, intrinsically divisive protagonist.

*double facepalm*

So, do you think the leak has some truth to it then? 

Come on, my morale is hanging by a thread as it is. Do you have to crush all my hopes?

LOL sorry! I thought you'd be as annoyed as anyone, haha. What it is about those Chantry boys? I gotta be honest, I think a lot of what the Chantry does is contemptible, but I still find those Templars to be HOT. Cullen, Keran, Emeric... oh yeah.

Reznore57 wrote...
I just hope the romance will be more fleshed out this time ...In da2 ,sometimes I wondered if i was in a romance at all .

And i could use a drama free romance ...I know the writers think we want drama even when we say we don't ...But maybe I'm getting old but the whole "chase me /You can't have me/wait i love you but blablabla" starts to get on my nerves.

My favorite romance was Isabella , not even the romance of my cannon Hawke.
Just because it was mostly drama free and fun.
I think Hawke journey had enough drama already ...

I could not agree with this more!  My Hawke really needed someone like Varric - who was independant and actually, you know, liked her as a person. He was her rock and the person she went to for comfort. He actually made her smile - bought her drinks, told her stories, bragged about her to others, helped her get out of trouble (not into it), told her she's beautiful, kept her laughing.

Yes, please.

[berelinde]

brushyourteeth wrote...

So, do you think the leak has some truth to it then? 

Some truth? In the absence of real information, your guess is as good as mine. Absolute, whole-cloth dramatis personae? Absolutely not.

What it is about those Chantry boys? I gotta be honest, I think a lot of what the Chantry does is contemptible, but I still find those Templars to be HOT. Cullen, Keran, Emeric... oh yeah.

Don't forget Thrask. I kept looking for the flirt options with him, but there weren't any.

I don't see a problem in liking the chantry boys but not the chantry. It's like interfaith marriage. Each person respects the other's beliefs and doesn't try to change them. Hey, it worked for Aveline and Wesley.

I'm not sure they are going to go with a pure approval/disapproval system. I know that they were considering options. It would be really, really cool if they could figure out a way to make it so you could be supportive toward the NPC as a person but not their cause.

[Jinx]

I enjoy player agency much more then anything else

[LolaLei]

The main thing I'm concerned about when it comes to the protagonists intro into the game (if the leak is true) is that we will be thrown into the game at the peace gathering after the blast with the title of "Inquisitor" without getting to know our character and her background first.

I'm desperately hoping we won't just get chucked into the action like we were in DA2. It wouldn't take much just to give the protagonist a playable prologue that shows us how we came to be at this gathering and what his/her motives/plans are. DA:O got it right, they eased us into the life of our Warden and let us get a feel for his/her home and the game before the adventure started. Ideally I'd like 3 different class origins that are each vastly different depending on if we are a Mage, Warrior or Rogue.

[Xilizhra]

LOL sorry! I thought you'd be as annoyed as anyone, haha. What it is about those Chantry boys? I gotta be honest, I think a lot of what the Chantry does is contemptible, but I still find those Templars to be HOT. Cullen, Keran, Emeric... oh yeah.

I found Meredith and Petrice to be sort of hot...

[LolaLei]

Yeah Meredith was hot, I bet she was a stunner in her day.

[brushyourteeth]

berelinde wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

So, do you think the leak has some truth to it then? 

Some truth? In the absence of real information, your guess is as good as mine. Absolute, whole-cloth dramatis personae? Absolutely not.

What it is about those Chantry boys? I gotta be honest, I think a lot of what the Chantry does is contemptible, but I still find those Templars to be HOT. Cullen, Keran, Emeric... oh yeah.

Don't forget Thrask. I kept looking for the flirt options with him, but there weren't any.

I don't see a problem in liking the chantry boys but not the chantry. It's like interfaith marriage. Each person respects the other's beliefs and doesn't try to change them. Hey, it worked for Aveline and Wesley.

I'm not sure they are going to go with a pure approval/disapproval system. I know that they were considering options. It would be really, really cool if they could figure out a way to make it so you could be supportive toward the NPC as a person but not their cause.

Thrask would have been SO hot, if it weren't for the fact that he shares a voice with Kelder. Yikes!

And DG, in answering a question I had for him on the forums once, told me that he's pretty close to sure that they're going back to the approval/disapproval system that they had in DA:O. Wish I could remember which forum so I could link it...

Anyway, "things change" as he's fond of saying, but it's not like him to come out and say something like that unless it's pretty well decided. Not to be contrary or anything - I just knew you'd want to know.

Personally I'm not a huge fan of either method. Approval means you can't be friends with someone you disagree with and friendship means you can't ever just say "I hate you" or "I like you" regardless of their opinions. I think a four-dimensional system would be awesome, but people had a hard enough time grasping the friendship/rivalry thing without making it more complicated.

[berelinde]

LolaLei wrote...

The main thing I'm concerned about when it comes to the protagonists intro into the game (if the leak is true) is that we will be thrown into the game at the peace gathering after the blast with the title of "Inquisitor" without getting to know our character and her background first.

That's mine, too.


Heh. I just had an odd thought. Suppose they give us more than 2 LIs per gender. If they really do have 10 companions, it wouldn't be too much of a reach if 6 were romanceable...

Wow, how sweet would that be?

[brushyourteeth]

Xilizhra wrote...

LOL sorry! I thought you'd be as annoyed as anyone, haha. What it is about those Chantry boys? I gotta be honest, I think a lot of what the Chantry does is contemptible, but I still find those Templars to be HOT. Cullen, Keran, Emeric... oh yeah.

I found Meredith and Petrice to be sort of hot...

LOL! Uh, yeah... those two are AWESOME rivalmance potential. 

[LolaLei]

Berelinde: It would make sense to have 6 LI's if we get 10 companions. Hell, the more choice the better!