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[brushyourteeth]

Xilizhra wrote...

To me, becoming part of a new Inquisition means you're hunting down whatever nasty is attacking Thedas without Chantry affiliation, just as the Inquisition always did before it was disbanded.

It also killed remorselessly for the sake of religious zealotry, so... not much of a help there, to be honest. The only way I could see this working is if it was somehow founded in a secular manner.

Also, DG said there were no atheists on Thedas, and that there was never intended to be an option to express such, so Berelinde's fears are rather reasonable.

According to the Bioware Blog :

In the days when the Chantry was still young, templars were known as the “Inquisition” and combed the land in search of all dangers to humanity—whether they came in the form of blood mages, abominations, cultists or heretics. It was a dark and terrifying time in the history of Thedas, and one that only ended when the Chantry convinced the Inquisition to unite under the banner of their common faith. 

This could mean that the Inquisition caused a dark and terrifying time in history, or that because of all the "dangers to humanity" (blood mages, abominations, cultists and heretics) it was a dark and terrifying time in history until the Inquisition joined up with the Chantry and became organized and well-funded enough to put a stop to the widespread "magical tyranny".

Seriously, the Chantry have their own troubles right now.

Also, what David Gaider said was that "atheism" as we know it doesn't exist in Thedas because
1. Everyone knows there are powers higher than them - they experience evidence of them regularly
2. Individuals may have their own religious doubts or just not care about participating in any kind of worship, but he amended his original comments to say that atheism isn't "a thing" in Thedas. You can't just say "im an atheist" and have Thedans know what the heck you're talking about.

[berelinde]

 These don't sound like something I'd want to be a part of with or without religious affiliation:
Source: "When I mentioned powers greater than the templars, I didn't mean the Chantry. Sure they command the templars, but that was not always so—the Inquisition once hunted heretics and cultists as well as mages, and their reign of terror ended only with the inception of the Circle of Magi. They became the Templar Order, for good or ill the watchers of the mages and the martial arm of the Chantry."

Maybe the New Inquisition will be something other than mage-killers, but they won't have sprung up from the ground fully formed. Somebody is going to be in charge. Who has that kind of power? The Divine? We're back to religious affiliation again.

As I have said many, many times, I'm going to wait and see. And as I have said many, many times, I don't care who we work for after we've had a chance to establish our characters' motives and personalities in the game world (which usually means some kind of a prologue). I just don't want to start out labeled as an Inquisitor without having had a chance to shape the character a bit.

I don't like the name. I admit it. It makes me think of real world religious oppression, and I had enough of that growing up. I can get past it, albeit with considerable grumbling, if they let us play through some kind of neutral origin first. It would help tremendously if nobody actually referred to your character by that title. I would prefer a surname.

Modifié par berelinde, 21 août 2012 - 05:25 .

[Xilizhra]

Seriously, the Chantry have their own troubles right now.

100% self-induced. I'm not all that sympathetic.

Also, what David Gaider said was that "atheism" as we know it doesn't exist in Thedas because
1. Everyone knows there are powers higher than them - they experience evidence of them regularly
2. Individuals may have their own religious doubts or just not care about participating in any kind of worship, but he amended his original comments to say that atheism isn't "a thing" in Thedas. You can't just say "im an atheist" and have Thedans know what the heck you're talking about.

Then he must have retracted earlier comments, as he mentioned that Morrigan's atheistic stance (which is just lacking a belief in gods, not spirits in this case) was apparently unique and not intended to be replicated by the player.

[brushyourteeth]

Edited because I'm a jerk. 

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 21 août 2012 - 05:47 .

[carine]

It's all speculation though. Like, we don't even know if we really are going to play as an Inquisitor. For all we know, we could be a completely different protagonist because BioWare hasn't decided to announce DA3 yet.

I wish they would just get on with it and announce it already. haha

[berelinde]

Avejajed wrote...

My opinion? You're  looking for things to hate about the game and resting your arguments on a leak that you've mentioned over and over again as being fake. So I'm just........

Also, I don't understand how you can be pro-Cullen if you're anti-chantry. He's a bloody templar.

On the contrary, I love the game. I don't want to see it fail.

I've been a loyal BioWare fan for over a decade, and I've been modding other BioWare games for eight years and writing fanfic for four. I have invested a significant portion of my life into something I love. I have felt pride in being a even a small part of it. I do not want to see the game, the franchise, and the company move away from design choices that I feel are the key to their success. The player feels as if he or she is really a part of the game. Choices matter. It seems more real. Moving toward something that will create a sense of alienation is not a way to preserve these qualities.

And it's no great mystery how somebody can enjoy a character while opposing the reduction of player agency. Yes, on some level, I really don't like the chantry, but that isn't why I'm anxious about potential trending, and it doesn't mean that I don't enjoy religious characters when they are NPCs or when they are characters I have created. The guy in my avatar is Iain Hawke, the protagonist of a fanfic I am writing. He is a devout Andrastian. I wrote him that way, and I like the character. Role-playing to me is about enjoying a role you create. It isn't about going through somebody else's version of a good time.

@Carine: I'm with you. I'm sick of the waiting, and I'm sick of the speculation.

Modifié par berelinde, 21 août 2012 - 05:50 .

[berelinde]

Anyway, apologies for turning the thread into a soap box... or a soap opera. I've voiced my concerns and upped my post count to a ridiculous degree. I'll go back to lurker mode until somebody posts some screenies that need captions.

[Melca36]

Ok there is something really odd about Cullen's head on that leak peak. It looks way out of proportion to the body....likes its pasted on. I checked all my Cullen pics and he has a neck.

Can someone repost it so I can blow it up with Photoshop?<_<

Modifié par Melca36, 21 août 2012 - 07:21 .

[carine]

Melca36 wrote...

Ok there is something really odd about Cullen's head on that leak peak. It looks way out of proportion to the body....likes its pasted on. I checked all my Cullen pics and he has a neck.

Can someone repost it so I can blow it up with Photoshop?<_<

media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m93b12r67S1r11slo.png

It definitely looks photoshopped in my opinion.

I still want it to be true though and just blame it on BioWare's laziness (i.e. they were just surveying about the outfit). haha i'm way too optimistic.

Modifié par carine, 21 août 2012 - 07:30 .

[Jean]

here is one.
I was thinking the same thing

edit

Have not yet reached ninja status

Modifié par Batteries, 21 août 2012 - 07:34 .

[carine]

If the leak is fake, I could see someone pasting Cullen onto a templar body because of Greg Ellis's tweet the other day. It would make the whole thing sound more legitimate.

Or BioWare could have gotten lazy on shading/knew that they wanted Cullen as a companion but didn't feel like reworking his face. I don't know.

[Jean]

Even if it is a copy+paste job, I'll be darned if the head doesn't belong to Cullen
That's too canny of a resemblance

[carine]

Batteries wrote...

Even if it is a copy+paste job, I'll be darned if the head doesn't belong to Cullen
That's too canny of a resemblance

Oh of course. The head is definitely Cullen. 

The thing is that the templar robes are the same style as the other concept art, which makes me believe that it is real and that they hadn't finished Cullen's face yet so they just pasted his face from DA2. 

Or the whole thing is fake and someone just pasted his face from DA2. haha.

[Jinx]

Batteries wrote...

Even if it is a copy+paste job, I'll be darned if the head doesn't belong to Cullen
That's too canny of a resemblance

I think its him to...

[Jinx]

I hope who ever did it....got it from DA:3

[carine]

cacey lee wrote...

I hope who ever did it....got it from DA:3

Yep. I hope that the person got it from the survey instead of making it up. Because it's about time that we get Cullen as a companion 

[Jinx]

I don't know how they could deny us lol

[carine]

Hahah. I hope they won't. If he's not in DA3, then he's probably not going to be a companion in any of the other games.

I loved how he progressed in DA2. Became a looot more mature.

[Jinx]

Yeah I agree.....I was like come on!...hit on hawk already

[carine]

 I know I was disappointed that there wasn't any flirtatious dialogue with Cullen in DA2.

Modifié par carine, 21 août 2012 - 07:59 .

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

So how old was Cullen in DA:O, anybody know?

Because one of the leaked plot synopses says that the game will take place 10 years after the Blight in Ferelden. That would make Cullen... not all that old, really. 35-ish? About the same age that Alistair was when we romanced him?

Alas, I'm so far behind, still, but this I can answer if no one has yet... He was 24 in origins, according to his chr file.

[R2s Muse]

berelinde wrote...

Anyway, apologies for turning the thread into a soap box... or a soap opera. I've voiced my concerns and upped my post count to a ridiculous degree. I'll go back to lurker mode until somebody posts some screenies that need captions.

Aw, berelinde, no worries. Here... Have some captionless Cullen. 

[R2s Muse]

So on a different note altogether... Did anyone get to go to Geek Girl Con? Here's an article on the "myth of the female gamer" panel by Bioware. Wish there was a transcript or vid!

http://www.nerdappro...panel-coverage/