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[kellyofthemagi]

Miss_BlackJack wrote...

Lovely kelly!
If he's a LI, I hope Bio doesn't have our character use one of their companions camp site like they did with Morrigan's. lol

I think I heard them say we were getting a upgrade!

[littlenikki]

If they are sticking with the companion homes/areas, what do you think Cullens will be? It's difficult to think they are staying with that concept if we are going to be travelling all around Thedas

[R2s Muse]

Kelly: that's beautiful!

[kellyofthemagi]

littlenikki wrote...

If they are sticking with the companion homes/areas, what do you think Cullens will be? It's difficult to think they are staying with that concept if we are going to be travelling all around Thedas

One of the interviews in a Q&A they said they were going back to a spot like a camp or similar.

[kellyofthemagi]

R2s Muse wrote...

Kelly: that's beautiful!

Thank you I/m glad you guys like it. You are my critics

[R2s Muse]

littlenikki wrote...

If they are sticking with the companion homes/areas, what do you think Cullens will be? It's difficult to think they are staying with that concept if we are going to be travelling all around Thedas

I'd like to think it would change depending on where they are. Of course, also depends on Cullen's situation in the next game. If he's just an itinerant traveler, following or protecting our PC, I'd imagine he'd stay where she is.

If he is a bit more independent, like the followers all having their own lives in Kirkwall, then it could be anything... The White Spire, his modest little house in Val Royeaux where he works as a mercenary, the local prison where you can borrow inmate!Cullen for your big quest (oh man... New plot bunny... Cullen's actually a felon, ala Eddie Murphy in 48 hrs, only allowed to help you and then back to the slammer!).

[LolaLei]

R2: What an awesome idea! Then at the end we can either let him escape, send him back or escape with him lol.

[SamaraDraven]

littlenikki wrote... You treat someone like a monster for so long, it's only a matter of time that they will become one.

Precisely. Most mages aren't born evil incarnate but treaing them as such will make them that way. It's like a child who is blamed for things he didn't do. Eventually he'll get sick of being in trouble for nothing and decide he may as well have fun and do what they expect of him.

R2s Muse wrote...

Samara and little niki: Agree! I think they need to use the Harrowing to better use. If someone has passed a meaningful test that they can resist the lures of demons, then I say let them graduate and let them live their life outside the Circle. Of course... It's perhaps also an open question of whether the Harrowing, as we experienced it, is a meaningful test...

I don't know if the Harrowing is a good test because what it measures doesn't establish a reliable baseline. Life changes too much and a mage might develop motivating factors for accepting posession at any time. I think psychological assessment is a better guage of whether or not someone's danger of becoming an abomination. Then again, I believe gun ownership requires a similar assessment so... *shrug* I'd make a terrible Republican.

So I disagree with the Harrowing. I think, for mages, the answer lies in treating them like normal people with a registered weapon, hence why I suggested that all weapon carriers in Thedas be registered. Those found to be unregistered but in possession of a weapon would be the first red flag to someone commiting criminal acts. At least, in theory anyway... *le sigh* But knowing who has a weapon means you can more quickly ascertain who your possible suspects of a criminal act most likely are. If it was a magical assault of any kind, the phylacteries can possibly reveal who that was and who it wasn't.

Edit: Wow! You guys are so fast today!

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 09 septembre 2012 - 07:14 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2: What an awesome idea! Then at the end we can either let him escape, send him back or escape with him lol.

oh yeah! Gah, how much fun would felon!Cullen be? Sorta similar to something I'm already writing, but may have to file away this particular twist... 

[R2s Muse]

 On the Harrowing, I think the test we experienced in Origins was lame, and doesn't tell you anything. But, if we're going with an education and training model for the the Circle, then the powers that be need to get to a point where they can assess if a Mage has learned what they need... Whether that's a written or oral exam, whether that's a temporary, mentored apprenticeship period outside the Circle... I dunno, but I think if you're going to train them, you need to get to a point where they've learned enough and can be released. Inevitably, this is akin to being officially registered as a trained mage, I think, in Samara's model, but I think registering without training doesn't help much.

[LolaLei]

I'm expecting the newly rebelled Templar Order to torture mages until they give into demons/blood magic just to justify killing them.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

I'm expecting the newly rebelled Templar Order to torture mages until they give into demons/blood magic just to justify killing them.

Egad, evil! But I wouldn't put it past someone like a lambert and his cronies.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I'm expecting the newly rebelled Templar Order to torture mages until they give into demons/blood magic just to justify killing them.

Egad, evil! But I wouldn't put it past someone like a lambert and his cronies.

Isn't Lambert presumed dead?

[SamaraDraven]

R2s Muse wrote...

 On the Harrowing, I think the test we experienced in Origins was lame, and doesn't tell you anything. But, if we're going with an education and training model for the the Circle, then the powers that be need to get to a point where they can assess if a Mage has learned what they need... Whether that's a written or oral exam, whether that's a temporary, mentored apprenticeship period outside the Circle... I dunno, but I think if you're going to train them, you need to get to a point where they've learned enough and can be released. Inevitably, this is akin to being officially registered as a trained mage, I think, in Samara's model, but I think registering without training doesn't help much.

That's why, when little nikki said the Circle should be a school, I agreed that mages need training still. I hadn't thought of it to that extent but it makes sense. I just don't think mages need to be taken from their families and locked away until they master their abilities. Now if the they were put in the Circle like a boarding school, their families could visit them and maybe a few times a year, they could go home for a little bit as well - most likely with a templar escort. It's better than the way things are but I prefer that they just be able to go home after a day of learning.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I'm expecting the newly rebelled Templar Order to torture mages until they give into demons/blood magic just to justify killing them.

Egad, evil! But I wouldn't put it past someone like a lambert and his cronies.

Isn't Lambert presumed dead?

Yeah. I think he is. That's why I said "someone like". I would reckon his immediate successors must be like him, but who knows. 

[R2s Muse]

Samara: agree... Just extending the boarding school model to include the Harrowing somehow.

[R2s Muse]

Also sorry if I seem terse today... iPad still sucks for posting!

[littlenikki]

SamaraDraven wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

 On the Harrowing, I think the test we experienced in Origins was lame, and doesn't tell you anything. But, if we're going with an education and training model for the the Circle, then the powers that be need to get to a point where they can assess if a Mage has learned what they need... Whether that's a written or oral exam, whether that's a temporary, mentored apprenticeship period outside the Circle... I dunno, but I think if you're going to train them, you need to get to a point where they've learned enough and can be released. Inevitably, this is akin to being officially registered as a trained mage, I think, in Samara's model, but I think registering without training doesn't help much.

That's why, when little nikki said the Circle should be a school, I agreed that mages need training still. I hadn't thought of it to that extent but it makes sense. I just don't think mages need to be taken from their families and locked away until they master their abilities. Now if the they were put in the Circle like a boarding school, their families could visit them and maybe a few times a year, they could go home for a little bit as well - most likely with a templar escort. It's better than the way things are but I prefer that they just be able to go home after a day of learning.

The issue I see with allowing the mages to leave the tower on an everyday basis is the mind control aspect of blood magic. If a mage is going down the wrong path, by allowing him or her to come and go freely opens up the possibility of that mage being able to assume control of a whole town before anyone became the wiser. While the templars need to allow more freedom for the mages, the mages need to understand why the templars are there and respect the authority they have over them. It has to be a two way street for both sides, not just the templars bending to whatever will of the mages.

[R2s Muse]

Good point, littlenikki. So maybe boarding school... But without getting your summers off. And no trips to hogsmeade. Lol

[littlenikki]

R2s Muse wrote...

Good point, littlenikki. So maybe boarding school... But without getting your summers off. And no trips to hogsmeade. Lol

Haha  Yea I would think it'd be more a boarding school type for sure, but mages are allowed visits and outside influence in moderation.

Edit: Side note, why is it that playing a pro-templar playthrough makes you feel like you're siding with the devil? It's like any choice that is not for freeing all mages is treated like you're chopping off a puppy's head

Modifié par littlenikki, 09 septembre 2012 - 08:32 .

[SamaraDraven]

R2s Muse wrote...

Also sorry if I seem terse today... iPad still sucks for posting!

Oh no, you're fine. I'm worried I sound terse because I'm preoccupied with my drawing so my mental polite filter isn't keeping up. hehehehe....

Edit: No butterbeer for you!

I see your point LittleNikki. I just think, at some point, mages are just gonna have to b allowed some amount of trust. If phylacteries can help monitor magic in the village without locking up mages, I think that's a good compromise.

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 09 septembre 2012 - 08:43 .

[LolaLei]

Tell me about it! I feel like an absolute monster in my current playthrough!

[Shades_Of_Pale]

littlenikki wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Good point, littlenikki. So maybe boarding school... But without getting your summers off. And no trips to hogsmeade. Lol

Haha  Yea I would think it'd be more a boarding school type for sure, but mages are allowed visits and outside influence in moderation.

Edit: Side note, why is it that playing a pro-templar playthrough makes you feel like you're siding with the devil? It's like any choice that is not for freeing all mages is treated like you're chopping off a puppy's head

Lol, I know what you mean. I feel..evil siding with templars though it seems I am fighting more mages\\blood mages throughout the whole game...
..and considering a mage kills my mother.

Modifié par Shades_Of_Pale, 09 septembre 2012 - 08:42 .

[MissRedZelda]

Even so, I can never side with the Templars. I usually always play as a Mage, so siding with them makes me feel like a self-hating hypocrite. And really, the only reason why Mages are turning to blood magic is because of the Chantry is breathing down their necks.

[LolaLei]

MissRedZelda wrote...

Even so, I can never side with the Templars. I usually always play as a Mage, so siding with them makes me feel like a self-hating hypocrite. And really, the only reason why Mages are turning to blood magic is because of the Chantry is breathing down their necks.

I'm only doing it to refresh my memory and get the extra dialogue with Cullen, I was hoping it would help me come up with some more questions.