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SamaraDraven wrote...

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Basically my thoughts lol but I do hope we do have Origins based on the class we play. I think it would be cool to be a distant relative of a Cousland or Howe and be in Orlais when the Shizz hits the fan. I don't think it will happen but it'd be great.

I can imagine that Cassandra might start the inquisition and recruit everyone she finds nearby of able body and eventually bows out to the player's superior intellect and plot armor :whistle:


class origins would increase the replayability most definitely. I'm actually wondering if we'll start off as the first ever inquisitor and everyone that subsequently joins our party also becomes part of the inquistion too? For example, Cassandra is sent with us by the Divine and automatically becomes part of the inquisiton with our protagonist, then we stumble acrossed a lyrium deprived Cullen, we nurse him back to health and recruit him into the inquisition too, then we find that Elf girl Sera and recruit her etc. 

If not, I'd be interested to see all the companions motives for following/accompanying the protagonist.


It'd be nice if class origins held more weight throughout the game as well - even more so than in DAO. Like if you're a mage, given what's going on with the Templars, the civillians are bound to have a few fanatics who might be unwelcoming to a mage-led group. Maybe you'll have to organize a different party set up to get what you need from certain places? Maybe your mage is threatened by someone and it takes having the right party member - like in DA2 - to have a non-violent solution. Say Cullen, for instance! If he's there, he can step in and pretend he's your "Templar handler" to get the zealots to back off and then he's all angsting about it when you get back to camp. :D


That would be awesome and make for much more weighty companion interupts, like the ones we had in DA2 where we could ask certain companions for their opinion etc.

I definitely agree that choices in the playable origin/prologue should have an outcome later in the game. For example, say you play the warrior origin I came up with. As you're escaping the dungeon/prison you come across a prisoner who seems a bit dodgy. You can choose to leave him to rot or release him. If you release him, later on you discover he's some sort of serial killer who attempts to kill/does kill one of your companions/a major NPC of importance. Or if you play as a rogue in the other origin Cacey came up with, as you're running away from the authority you see your friends getting killed and presume they've all died. Later you run into one of them who got captured and tortured, he/she blames you because it was your idea to gate crash the masquerade ball and is angry that you didn't try to save him/her (even though you wasn't aware that he/she was alive), in revenge he/she screws you over if you don't successfully convince him/her that you didn't ditch them purposely.

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See you guys later hope you have a nice night/day :)

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See you guys later hope you have a nice night/day :)


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SamaraDraven wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Basically my thoughts lol but I do hope we do have Origins based on the class we play. I think it would be cool to be a distant relative of a Cousland or Howe and be in Orlais when the Shizz hits the fan. I don't think it will happen but it'd be great.

I can imagine that Cassandra might start the inquisition and recruit everyone she finds nearby of able body and eventually bows out to the player's superior intellect and plot armor :whistle:


class origins would increase the replayability most definitely. I'm actually wondering if we'll start off as the first ever inquisitor and everyone that subsequently joins our party also becomes part of the inquistion too? For example, Cassandra is sent with us by the Divine and automatically becomes part of the inquisiton with our protagonist, then we stumble acrossed a lyrium deprived Cullen, we nurse him back to health and recruit him into the inquisition too, then we find that Elf girl Sera and recruit her etc. 

If not, I'd be interested to see all the companions motives for following/accompanying the protagonist.


It'd be nice if class origins held more weight throughout the game as well - even more so than in DAO. Like if you're a mage, given what's going on with the Templars, the civillians are bound to have a few fanatics who might be unwelcoming to a mage-led group. Maybe you'll have to organize a different party set up to get what you need from certain places? Maybe your mage is threatened by someone and it takes having the right party member - like in DA2 - to have a non-violent solution. Say Cullen, for instance! If he's there, he can step in and pretend he's your "Templar handler" to get the zealots to back off and then he's all angsting about it when you get back to camp. :D


I think that would be awesome though I know some people would rage if they had to use one companion they didn't like. I think it would be great since then people can't say that a companion fall flat after their recruitement. It'd be interesting to see say Lambert using a Mage leading a templar as proof of how the Divine or some such or maybe that even though the Inquisitor is free Fiona makes it out as Cullen being the Divine's leash on her personal mages.

@Lola I'm sure they'll all be a part of the Inquisition in some way either as employees or actual inquisitors. Sera is supposed to be a member of a thieves guild so I suppose she could enlist the skills of the thieves to help in spying on nobles...brb shower time :P

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Oh you can bet your arse a mage protagonist is gonna get accused of using some sort of blood thrall to control the mind of the Divine etc lol.

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Danny Boy 7 wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Basically my thoughts lol but I do hope we do have Origins based on the class we play. I think it would be cool to be a distant relative of a Cousland or Howe and be in Orlais when the Shizz hits the fan. I don't think it will happen but it'd be great.

I can imagine that Cassandra might start the inquisition and recruit everyone she finds nearby of able body and eventually bows out to the player's superior intellect and plot armor :whistle:


class origins would increase the replayability most definitely. I'm actually wondering if we'll start off as the first ever inquisitor and everyone that subsequently joins our party also becomes part of the inquistion too? For example, Cassandra is sent with us by the Divine and automatically becomes part of the inquisiton with our protagonist, then we stumble acrossed a lyrium deprived Cullen, we nurse him back to health and recruit him into the inquisition too, then we find that Elf girl Sera and recruit her etc. 

If not, I'd be interested to see all the companions motives for following/accompanying the protagonist.


It'd be nice if class origins held more weight throughout the game as well - even more so than in DAO. Like if you're a mage, given what's going on with the Templars, the civillians are bound to have a few fanatics who might be unwelcoming to a mage-led group. Maybe you'll have to organize a different party set up to get what you need from certain places? Maybe your mage is threatened by someone and it takes having the right party member - like in DA2 - to have a non-violent solution. Say Cullen, for instance! If he's there, he can step in and pretend he's your "Templar handler" to get the zealots to back off and then he's all angsting about it when you get back to camp. :D


I think that would be awesome though I know some people would rage if they had to use one companion they didn't like. I think it would be great since then people can't say that a companion fall flat after their recruitement. It'd be interesting to see say Lambert using a Mage leading a templar as proof of how the Divine or some such or maybe that even though the Inquisitor is free Fiona makes it out as Cullen being the Divine's leash on her personal mages.

@Lola I'm sure they'll all be a part of the Inquisition in some way either as employees or actual inquisitors. Sera is supposed to be a member of a thieves guild so I suppose she could enlist the skills of the thieves to help in spying on nobles...brb shower time :P


Unfortunately some players do get their feathers ruffled by that, which is why I suggested the alternative party set up. In one instance, your mage gets into trouble and has to fight their way out and then set up a different party to go into that place. Or, if you meta-game, set up the different party configuration before heading into that town at all. The third option is that you go in and your mage PC gets into trouble but instead of having to fight and leave or use different members of your party, you could have Cullen with you to smooth things over. It's just an example but what I'm getting at is that what you play as should affect the game, given what's going on at the time. Having three ways to approach a problem doesn't shoe-horn anyone into using a certain character.

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I'm wondering if there really is 10 companions for DA3, is it a good idea or not. On the one hand, there's more people to interactive with/possibly romance etc, but on the other hand, how many of those companions are gonna be pointless when it comes to the story? Unless, some of those companions are temporary, can die half way through or you can pick between one or the other.

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SamaraDraven wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Basically my thoughts lol but I do hope we do have Origins based on the class we play. I think it would be cool to be a distant relative of a Cousland or Howe and be in Orlais when the Shizz hits the fan. I don't think it will happen but it'd be great.

I can imagine that Cassandra might start the inquisition and recruit everyone she finds nearby of able body and eventually bows out to the player's superior intellect and plot armor :whistle:


class origins would increase the replayability most definitely. I'm actually wondering if we'll start off as the first ever inquisitor and everyone that subsequently joins our party also becomes part of the inquistion too? For example, Cassandra is sent with us by the Divine and automatically becomes part of the inquisiton with our protagonist, then we stumble acrossed a lyrium deprived Cullen, we nurse him back to health and recruit him into the inquisition too, then we find that Elf girl Sera and recruit her etc. 

If not, I'd be interested to see all the companions motives for following/accompanying the protagonist.


It'd be nice if class origins held more weight throughout the game as well - even more so than in DAO. Like if you're a mage, given what's going on with the Templars, the civillians are bound to have a few fanatics who might be unwelcoming to a mage-led group. Maybe you'll have to organize a different party set up to get what you need from certain places? Maybe your mage is threatened by someone and it takes having the right party member - like in DA2 - to have a non-violent solution. Say Cullen, for instance! If he's there, he can step in and pretend he's your "Templar handler" to get the zealots to back off and then he's all angsting about it when you get back to camp. :D


I think that would be awesome though I know some people would rage if they had to use one companion they didn't like. I think it would be great since then people can't say that a companion fall flat after their recruitement. It'd be interesting to see say Lambert using a Mage leading a templar as proof of how the Divine or some such or maybe that even though the Inquisitor is free Fiona makes it out as Cullen being the Divine's leash on her personal mages.

@Lola I'm sure they'll all be a part of the Inquisition in some way either as employees or actual inquisitors. Sera is supposed to be a member of a thieves guild so I suppose she could enlist the skills of the thieves to help in spying on nobles...brb shower time :P


Unfortunately some players do get their feathers ruffled by that, which is why I suggested the alternative party set up. In one instance, your mage gets into trouble and has to fight their way out and then set up a different party to go into that place. Or, if you meta-game, set up the different party configuration before heading into that town at all. The third option is that you go in and your mage PC gets into trouble but instead of having to fight and leave or use different members of your party, you could have Cullen with you to smooth things over. It's just an example but what I'm getting at is that what you play as should affect the game, given what's going on at the time. Having three ways to approach a problem doesn't shoe-horn anyone into using a certain character.


Kinda like when you save Feynriel in DA2. If you have Varric with you then he'll spin the slavers some story about how Feynriel's the viscounts secret love child thus avoiding conflict, but if you don't take him then you have to fight them. 

I really love the idea of Cullen stepping in to pretend he's the mages protagonists keeper. I could see him pretending to a bunch of mage haters that he's taking the protagonist to be punished, then after they leave the dialogue wheel pops up and you get the option to say:

"Thank you, that could've ended badly" / "Don't get any smart ideas Templar, I don't need help from the likes of you" / (or my personal favourite) "Punishment eh? Kinky. I'll hold you to that later"

*Que Cullen blushing and stuttering like a fool* :lol:

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LolaLei wrote...

I'm wondering if there really is 10 companions for DA3, is it a good idea or not. On the one hand, there's more people to interactive with/possibly romance etc, but on the other hand, how many of those companions are gonna be pointless when it comes to the story? Unless, some of those companions are temporary, can die half way through or you can pick between one or the other.


We usually have seven not including Dog and the DLC companion (or temporary DLC companions like Tallis/secret companions at the end (Loghain) so it's not much of a surprise "woo we don't have to pay for a new companion!!" But I digress whether they're pointless or not really depends on Bioware and each player. Fenris to me was somewhat useless but he also provided a much needed window into Tevinter/corruption of magic life.

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Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I'm wondering if there really is 10 companions for DA3, is it a good idea or not. On the one hand, there's more people to interactive with/possibly romance etc, but on the other hand, how many of those companions are gonna be pointless when it comes to the story? Unless, some of those companions are temporary, can die half way through or you can pick between one or the other.


We usually have seven not including Dog and the DLC companion (or temporary DLC companions like Tallis/secret companions at the end (Loghain) so it's not much of a surprise "woo we don't have to pay for a new companion!!" But I digress whether they're pointless or not really depends on Bioware and each player. Fenris to me was somewhat useless but he also provided a much needed window into Tevinter/corruption of magic life.


True, I just hope they spend equal time on each of the companions.

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LolaLei wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I'm wondering if there really is 10 companions for DA3, is it a good idea or not. On the one hand, there's more people to interactive with/possibly romance etc, but on the other hand, how many of those companions are gonna be pointless when it comes to the story? Unless, some of those companions are temporary, can die half way through or you can pick between one or the other.


We usually have seven not including Dog and the DLC companion (or temporary DLC companions like Tallis/secret companions at the end (Loghain) so it's not much of a surprise "woo we don't have to pay for a new companion!!" But I digress whether they're pointless or not really depends on Bioware and each player. Fenris to me was somewhat useless but he also provided a much needed window into Tevinter/corruption of magic life.


True, I just hope they spend equal time on each of the companions.


I'm sure they will, whether or not the plot allows that character to shine is another story. I tend to think that companions are all placed in the story for a reason but whether we as the players are able to see it or whether the devs are able to properly relay it to us is another story all together.

On that note I better get off to bed I'm becoming a little to preachy :P

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I'm hoping Cullen will be the plot heavy companion, although I suspect that'll probably be Cassandra.

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LolaLei-  Hey! I'm still alive. (THIS THREAD MOVES SO QUICKLY!!)

Audio took a little longer than planned (had to re-extract it, etc...) and now I just learned that tumblr only lets me upload one audio file per day. For a variety of reasons, it's the easiest place for me to put it. 
Anyhow, if you track this link every day or so, you should find something new as a daily dose of Cullen goodliness: http://vieralynn.tum...llen's-dialogue 

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vieralynn wrote...

LolaLei-  Hey! I'm still alive. (THIS THREAD MOVES SO QUICKLY!!)

Audio took a little longer than planned (had to re-extract it, etc...) and now I just learned that tumblr only lets me upload one audio file per day. For a variety of reasons, it's the easiest place for me to put it. 
Anyhow, if you track this link every day or so, you should find something new as a daily dose of Cullen goodliness: http://vieralynn.tum...llen's-dialogue 


You're a star! Thank you! 

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I'll collect them all up and put them on YouTube in one vid.

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 Oh, and while I'm here -- some other Culleny goodness to make up for slow progress in the audio department:

1. Some random scenes and chapters of Cullen-in-Kirkwall fanfic for a work in progress.

2. First chapter of "A Necessary Arrangement" being written for a prompt that asked for a slightly AU Kirkwall in which Meredith arranges a Hawke/Cullen marriage in order to keep control over The Champion.

3. Short story for the prompt "Accidental Baby" with Cullen/Surana.

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vieralynn wrote...

 Oh, and while I'm here -- some other Culleny goodness to make up for slow progress in the audio department:

1. Some random scenes and chapters of Cullen-in-Kirkwall fanfic for a work in progress.

2. First chapter of "A Necessary Arrangement" being written for a prompt that asked for a slightly AU Kirkwall in which Meredith arranges a Hawke/Cullen marriage in order to keep control over The Champion.

3. Short story for the prompt "Accidental Baby" with Cullen/Surana.


Awesome! I'll have a look now!

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Vieralynn: Whilst your here, have a look at this fan vid of Cullen I made. Feel free to post it on your Tumblr!

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=3lsYuAjmBxU

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LolaLei wrote...

I'm wondering if there really is 10 companions for DA3, is it a good idea or not. On the one hand, there's more people to interactive with/possibly romance etc, but on the other hand, how many of those companions are gonna be pointless when it comes to the story? Unless, some of those companions are temporary, can die half way through or you can pick between one or the other.


While 10 seems like a large number, DA2 actually had 9 although some weren't available at all times.

Act 1 only+DLCs:  Bethany, Carver
Act 2,3:  Sebastian
Act 1,2,3:  Aveline, Varric, Anders, Merrill
Act 1,2,(3):  Isabela (can leave at end of Act 2)
Act 1,2,(3):  Fenris (can be returned to Danarius in Act 3)

If DA3 really does have 10, I can imagine them making the companions feel like they are all part of the story. In DA2, only Fenris came close to feeling a tiny bit pointless because his story had nothing to do with the situation in Kirkwall, but Fenris' dialogue with Anders fit in well.

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True. I wonder if we'll be able go keep all of them, or if some will only be available under certain circumstances?

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LolaLei wrote...

Vieralynn: Whilst your here, have a look at this fan vid of Cullen I made. Feel free to post it on your Tumblr!

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=3lsYuAjmBxU


Oh yes! I saw that earlier when R2 posted it to tumblr.  Very nice. 

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vieralynn wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Vieralynn: Whilst your here, have a look at this fan vid of Cullen I made. Feel free to post it on your Tumblr!

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=3lsYuAjmBxU


Oh yes! I saw that earlier when R2 posted it to tumblr.  Very nice. 


Oh awesome! Figured I'd make a video about his PTSD since they never really went into much detail in-game. I'm hoping it'll remind people of what he's experience as its easy to forget and accuse him of being a bad Templar or a murder.

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LolaLei wrote...

True. I wonder if we'll be able go keep all of them, or if some will only be available under certain circumstances?


I wonder too. I wouldn't be surprised if there is another situation like Bethany vs Carver where our PC's class determines who lives and dies, or some seemingly minor choice early in the game selects one character over another.

(If it ends up as a choice between having Cullen in the party versus not at all, I know I'll restart my 1st playthrough if I accidently end up with NO CULLEN or, worse DEAD CULLEN.)

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vieralynn wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

True. I wonder if we'll be able go keep all of them, or if some will only be available under certain circumstances?


I wonder too. I wouldn't be surprised if there is another situation like Bethany vs Carver where our PC's class determines who lives and dies, or some seemingly minor choice early in the game selects one character over another.

(If it ends up as a choice between having Cullen in the party versus not at all, I know I'll restart my 1st playthrough if I accidently end up with NO CULLEN or, worse DEAD CULLEN.)


Ditto! I'm gonna romance that man if it kills me and half of Thedas!