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[Miss_BlackJack]

R2s Muse wrote...

But if was there in Asunder, we know what he did. He agreed. Under implied threat, but agreed nonetheless. All 15 KCs did.

Could be an interesting opportunity to then tattle to the Divine tho. Then during their meeting, just as she admits to him that she's pro mage herself... kablooey...

..I need to go buy those books tomorrow, I'm really missing out.

[R2s Muse]

Sorry for spoilers, ladies! Asunder, I would agree, is worth it. Definitely moves the story forward.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

But if was there in Asunder, we know what he did. He agreed. Under implied threat, but agreed nonetheless. All 15 KCs did.

Could be an interesting opportunity to then tattle to the Divine tho. Then during their meeting, just as she admits to him that she's pro mage herself... kablooey...

Then he better have a bloody good reason for agreeing to it. Unless he was forced into it, felt guilty, went to the Divine to repent/help her, the place blows up, she dies and he joins our protagonist to repent for his sins.

That being said, he killed his boss and let Hawke go, so maybe they refused to make him Knight Commander?

[LolaLei]

littlenikki wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I worry that he was at Lambert's meeting in Asunder. I mean, for all we know he could have taken over as Knight Commander after Meredith died, in which case he would've been there to agree or disagree.

... I guess if he disagreed, perhaps he got the hell out of there quick and made his way to the Divine to give her the heads up?

Omg...what if we have to fight him!?!

That would suck... And be kinda awesome at the same time!

[Shades_Of_Pale]

I was thinking for letting Hawke go that the templars in Kirkwall would become angry, strip him of his command and send word to the Divine of Cullen's 'betrayal' in which case since she seems pro-mage, she requests to see him.

[Miss_BlackJack]

R2s Muse wrote...

Sorry for spoilers, ladies! Asunder, I would agree, is worth it. Definitely moves the story forward.

No apologies are neccessary, now I want the books for sure.
I have a tendancy to buy books, and not get to them. lol

[LolaLei]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

I was thinking for letting Hawke go that the templars in Kirkwall would become angry, strip him of his command and send word to the Divine of Cullen's 'betrayal' in which case since she seems pro-mage, she requests to see him.

They all took his side and let Hawke go/bowed, so I dunno. Unless they screw him over later, when Hawke 'n' co aren't around to protect him.

Modifié par LolaLei, 22 septembre 2012 - 04:05 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

But if was there in Asunder, we know what he did. He agreed. Under implied threat, but agreed nonetheless. All 15 KCs did.

Could be an interesting opportunity to then tattle to the Divine tho. Then during their meeting, just as she admits to him that she's pro mage herself... kablooey...

Then he better have a bloody good reason for agreeing to it. Unless he was forced into it, felt guilty, went to the Divine to repent/help her, the place blows up, she dies and he joins our protagonist to repent for his sins.

That being said, he killed his boss and let Hawke go, so maybe they refused to make him Knight Commander?

The book implies that Lambert was going to "take care of" them if they didn't go along with him... but that part wasn't explicit. It's, like, one sentence or something.

Yeah, these days, I tend to think he won't be KC after Meredith. Even if he isn't court marshalled for insubordination... I could see the whole affair affecting his career.  He'd be a bit of a wild card, no? HA... never would have considered him so... but he's kind of a maverick now. I could see them reassigning him somewhere comfy and out of the way... or to the White Spire where they can watch him. LOL I hear the Knight Captain position is open there! :lol:

[Renmiri1]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Hehe, the twitter thread saw DG's post about underwear!

So what is this about Cullen underware ? 

[Shades_Of_Pale]

LolaLei wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

I was thinking for letting Hawke go that the templars in Kirkwall would become angry, strip him of his command and send word to the Divine of Cullen's 'betrayal' in which case since she seems pro-mage, she requests to see him.

They all took his side amd let Hawke go/bowed, so I dunno. Unless they screw him over later, when Hawke 'n' co aren't around to protect him.

Well, I imagine within the order there would be those who completely disagreed with what he did and convinced the other templars that he had betrayed them all. 

[R2s Muse]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Hehe, the twitter thread saw DG's post about underwear!

So what is this about Cullen underware ? 

LOL The first part of the conversation is here:

https://twitter.com/...079306393894913

edit: but I hadn't really assigned the underwear to Cullen yet... hmm...

Modifié par R2s Muse, 22 septembre 2012 - 04:09 .

[Miss_BlackJack]

R2s Muse wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Hehe, the twitter thread saw DG's post about underwear!

So what is this about Cullen underware ? 

LOL The first part of the conversation is here:

https://twitter.com/...079306393894913

lol The baffling part cracks me up

[LolaLei]

R2: I couldn't see Cullen letting himself be bullied into doing something he didn't want to, especially something that big and especially considering he turned on his boss and helped kill her for a lesser crime. So I could see him either taking the punishment for refusing, or he wasn't a KC at all. I guess it all depending a how soon after DA2 that the Templars rebelled. Do we know a definite time frame for that?

Modifié par LolaLei, 22 septembre 2012 - 04:16 .

[Renmiri1]

ROFL

mmm Cullen in undies ** drools **

[Shades_Of_Pale]

Renmiri1 wrote...

ROFL

mmm Cullen in undies ** drools **

There's always the thought of Cullen in no undies;)

[Renmiri1]

LolaLei wrote...

R2: I couldn't see Cullen letting himself be bullied into doing something he didn't want to, especially something that big and especially considering he turned on his boss and helped kill her for a less. So I could see him either taking the punishment for refusing, or he wasn't a KC at all. I guess it all depending a how soon after DA2 that the Templars rebelled. Do we know a definite time frame for that?

Asunder takes place 2 years later and at start the templars have not rebelled yet.

Cullen, Evangeline and all other good templars will be ostracized by the rebelling templars though. The ones that follow Lambert and want to kill mages

[LolaLei]

How long does Asunder take place for? A year? Less than a year?

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2: I couldn't see Cullen letting himself be bullied into doing something he didn't want to, especially some that big and especially considering he turned on his boss and helped kill her for a less. So I could see him either taking the punishment for refusing, or he wasn't a KC at all. I guess it all depending a how soon after DA2 that the Templars rebelled. Do we know a definite time frame for that?

For that, yes. The Nevarran Accord was broken in 9:40, three yrs after Act 3 and before Cass interrogates Varric in the same year. (*grumble* it's the rest of the book that has date problems...  /begin grovel DG... if you're lurking PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me what year Asunder is supposed to start! pretty please?? /end grovel)

You know, I also don't see him just going along with it. Does that argue for him not the KC...? Could be.  The book really doesn't say. Plus, it's described from Lambert's perspective, and  he's feeling pretty smug at that point. So, for all we know Cullen was there and SEETHING, almost needing to be restrained, and only signed through coercion. Lambert could have just glossed over that in his own triumphant mind.

Tee hee, books are so cool that way...

[R2s Muse]

Renmiri1 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2: I couldn't see Cullen letting himself be bullied into doing something he didn't want to, especially something that big and especially considering he turned on his boss and helped kill her for a less. So I could see him either taking the punishment for refusing, or he wasn't a KC at all. I guess it all depending a how soon after DA2 that the Templars rebelled. Do we know a definite time frame for that?

Asunder takes place 2 years later and at start the templars have not rebelled yet.

Cullen, Evangeline and all other good templars will be ostracized by the rebelling templars though. The ones that follow Lambert and want to kill mages

Weeelll, this is debateable. The beginning of the book claims (REPEATEDLY) that it takes place a year after the events in Kirkwall, which were in 9:37.  It starts in the Fall and ends in the winter. During most of the action, which can't be more than a few months, six at the outside, the Blight is referred to as having taken place 9-10 years ago. This suggests the books events take place closer to 9:39-ish. The final scenes are in 9:40, but it's unclear how much time has passed at that point. I would argue not much...

[Renmiri1]

Don't remember seeing Cullen on Asunder. Kindle search gave no results either

I think at the book start they mention 2 years after Kirkwall do 9:39 for Asunder start.

[LolaLei]

Ok so it's 3 years since DA2, what on earth could Cullen have been doing between DA2 and DA3? I would have thought become Knight Commander, or perhaps he went to Orlais to speak with the Divine about the Meredith/Hawke thing and started working directly with her? Or did he just up and leave and go soul searching? His leaked outfit (if real) still has the Templar logo on it, so he must still have something to do with the Templars... Unless he becomes like a spy within the ranks of the rebelled Templar Order?

[R2s Muse]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Don't remember seeing Cullen on Asunder. Kindle search gave no results either

I think at the book start they mention 2 years after Kirkwall do 9:39 for Asunder start.

No, they don't. Sorry to be adamant, but I have a post somewhere with all the quotes from the book... it never says two years. This is something I've been rather annoyingly careful about.

edit: for example, search for the phrase "a year" and you'll find multiple refs to "city of Kirkwall had rebelled a year ago..." "It had been nearly a year since Rhys had first seen Cole. He remembered the time well, because the White spire had ust received news of the rebellion at Kirkwall."

re: Cullen, they do not. They only say that all KCs are there. We are speculating whether or not the Kirkwall KC was Cullen.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 22 septembre 2012 - 04:28 .

[Shades_Of_Pale]

Three years seems so...long after, for all that stuff to blow-up..

[LolaLei]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Three years seems so...long after, for all that stuff to blow-up..

I guess things will just be hotting up when our protagonist comes onto the scene. Makes me wonder if DA3 will take place directly after the Varric/Cassandra events or 5 years after DA2.

Modifié par LolaLei, 22 septembre 2012 - 04:32 .