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[Jinx]

LolaLei wrote...

In Asunder it says that the Orlesian Nobles wear mask out in public to show their importance etc. Wouldn't it be awesome to get into some sort of trouble in which a "silent masked stranger" helps save your arse, when you get to safety they remove the mask and it turns out to be Cullen, who was incognito due to being on the run from the rebel Templars or something.

That would be pretty cool..

[LolaLei]

I'm reading Asunder as we speak (got myself an online copy), I've gotta say, the Orlesian Nobles sound like a bunch of dicks LOL! "The game" - man DA3 is gonna be fun!

[R2s Muse]

The mask thing is definitely intriguing. I would love a scenario like that with Cullen.

What could be cool is, he saves her ass, then rides away. She doesn't find out it was him til later, having to put the pieces together.

But she absolutely has to say, "who was that masked man?" LMAO

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

The mask thing is definitely intriguing. I would love a scenario like that with Cullen.

What could be cool is, he saves her ass, then rides away. She doesn't find out it was him til later, having to put the pieces together.

But she absolutely has to say, "who was that masked man?" LMAO

Quick question, the visitor Leliana gets at the beginning... is that our Warden?

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

The mask thing is definitely intriguing. I would love a scenario like that with Cullen.

What could be cool is, he saves her ass, then rides away. She doesn't find out it was him til later, having to put the pieces together.

But she absolutely has to say, "who was that masked man?" LMAO

Quick question, the visitor Leliana gets at the beginning... is that our Warden?

No. Do u want me to tell u?

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

The mask thing is definitely intriguing. I would love a scenario like that with Cullen.

What could be cool is, he saves her ass, then rides away. She doesn't find out it was him til later, having to put the pieces together.

But she absolutely has to say, "who was that masked man?" LMAO

Quick question, the visitor Leliana gets at the beginning... is that our Warden?

No. Do u want me to tell u?

Yeah, go on then. Is it Alistair?

[LolaLei]

Oh wait... it's Wynne, right?

Modifié par LolaLei, 23 septembre 2012 - 01:19 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Oh wait... it's Wynne, right?

Not exactly a spoiler I guess, so, yeah... Although I didn't get it at the time. LOL

[LolaLei]

Hm, something curious. It novel mentions about the Right of Annulment that happened in Kirkwall is what caused the Circle there to rebel, yet they didn't actually rebel until at least a year or two later. So does that mean that another Right of Annulment was made a couple of years later?

[littlenikki]

LolaLei wrote...

Hm, something curious. It novel mentions about the Right of Annulment that happened in Kirkwall is what caused the Circle there to rebel, yet they didn't actually rebel until at least a year or two later. So does that mean that another Right of Annulment was made a couple of years later?

Were there two incidents that called for the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall? That would be a bit excessive, no? I'll have to look that up.

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

Hm, something curious. It novel mentions about the Right of Annulment that happened in Kirkwall is what caused the Circle there to rebel, yet they didn't actually rebel until at least a year or two later. So does that mean that another Right of Annulment was made a couple of years later?

So me and some guy were talking about this and he mentioned that the Circle in Kirkwall rebelled as well as like two or three more causing the rest of the circle's templars to try to put the remaning cicles on lock down by forbidding the Collegeof Magi (basically their senate/parliament) which actually just pissed a lot of mages off and set up the hostilities in Asunder which at the end of caused ALL of the circles to rebel.

[LolaLei]

littlenikki wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Hm, something curious. It novel mentions about the Right of Annulment that happened in Kirkwall is what caused the Circle there to rebel, yet they didn't actually rebel until at least a year or two later. So does that mean that another Right of Annulment was made a couple of years later?

Were there two incidents that called for the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall? That would be a bit excessive, no? I'll have to look that up.

I've no idea, it's not been mentioned again since. It'll probably go into more detail later on in the book though.

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Hm, something curious. It novel mentions about the Right of Annulment that happened in Kirkwall is what caused the Circle there to rebel, yet they didn't actually rebel until at least a year or two later. So does that mean that another Right of Annulment was made a couple of years later?

Were there two incidents that called for the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall? That would be a bit excessive, no? I'll have to look that up.

I've no idea, it's not been mentioned again since. It'll probably go into more detail later on in the book though.

So now you answer. I was about to bust out into song if nobody replied.

[R2s Muse]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...
Hm, something curious. It novel mentions about the Right of Annulment that happened in Kirkwall is what caused the Circle there to rebel, yet they didn't actually rebel until at least a year or two later. So does that mean that another Right of Annulment was made a couple of years later?

So me and some guy were talking about this and he mentioned that the Circle in Kirkwall rebelled as well as like two or three more causing the rest of the circle's templars to try to put the remaning cicles on lock down by forbidding the Collegeof Magi (basically their senate/parliament) which actually just pissed a lot of mages off and set up the hostilities in Asunder which at the end of caused ALL of the circles to rebel.

Yeah, I figure the rebelling is what Varric was referring to, that the circles rose up in response to what happened in Kirkwall in Act 3 i.e. Right of Annulment. With Hawke's name as a rallying cry. If that didn't happened for a year after Act 3, and if that's what thy're referring to as a year go, that could explain the timing if the book starts two yrs after Act 3.Have to go look at the refs to a year ago, because I know that Anders is referenced at one point.
ok I take all that back. Interesting... Every time they talk about what happened in Kirkwall, they call it the rebellion in Kirkwall, and that the Right of Annulment was seemingly invoked as a response to the rebellion (but  not since then, p.54). Later they talk about the rebellion in the context of being set off by Anders and the Chantry (p 404).  So my thought was that each of these  rebellion references was to the battle during Act 3 which was followed by the right of annulment. Hmm... I wonder now.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 23 septembre 2012 - 03:46 .

[LolaLei]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Hm, something curious. It novel mentions about the Right of Annulment that happened in Kirkwall is what caused the Circle there to rebel, yet they didn't actually rebel until at least a year or two later. So does that mean that another Right of Annulment was made a couple of years later?

Were there two incidents that called for the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall? That would be a bit excessive, no? I'll have to look that up.

I've no idea, it's not been mentioned again since. It'll probably go into more detail later on in the book though.

So now you answer. I was about to bust out into song if nobody replied.

Lol sorry, it's quite an enthralling book. Have your read Asunder?

[R2s Muse]

Anyhoo, Lola, just recanted my previous response (see above). You might have hit upon something there, but my poor tired brain can't further process.

[Renmiri1]

Using Kindle search there are only 2 references to Anders on Asunder. Neither gives dates. 17 results for kirkwall though. 3 for annulment.

http://imageshack.us...ersasunder0.jpg
http://imageshack.us...ersasunder1.jpg

on the annulment search it says the right had not been invoked since kirkwall rebellion - and people think is because templars are afraid of inciting another rebellion (loc 691 for kindle cloud reader). At he end asnother circle is annulled - loc 5968

unfortunatelly the pc cloud reader has no search so i am forced to search on my ipod then bring up the page on pc manually  I only did that for the more important stuff

Modifié par Renmiri1, 23 septembre 2012 - 04:09 .

[LolaLei]

I've just had another thought. Red lyrium, what if it's red because it's been touched by the taint? Cole speaks of the music and whispering he can hear when he's out in the desert, which the Darkspawn can also hear... but Bartrand also speaks of the red lyrium idol singing/whispering to him in DA2. We know lyrium sings to spirits/demons/people, and red lyrium also sings/whispers to all those who stay around it for too long, but turns them loopy. Hm...

Modifié par LolaLei, 23 septembre 2012 - 05:56 .

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Hm, something curious. It novel mentions about the Right of Annulment that happened in Kirkwall is what caused the Circle there to rebel, yet they didn't actually rebel until at least a year or two later. So does that mean that another Right of Annulment was made a couple of years later?

Were there two incidents that called for the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall? That would be a bit excessive, no? I'll have to look that up.

I've no idea, it's not been mentioned again since. It'll probably go into more detail later on in the book though.

So now you answer. I was about to bust out into song if nobody replied.

Lol sorry, it's quite an enthralling book. Have your read Asunder?

No worries and no unfortunately most book stores in my area are closing down. I read the wiki pages and had a friend describe it to me, so I have a working knowledge but can't pull out qoutes 

According to the wiki page regarding lyrium the red idol lost contact with the rest of the dwarves years before the darkspawn even reared their heads so I don't know whether the taint really had any effect on the red lyrium. I tend to think it's simply super charged lyrium and that like a rather nasty drug like say PCP gives the user "super strength" at the cost of their common sense or sanity in Meredith's case. The normal lyrium would be something of a different much lesser drug that basically effects people but at a much slower rate and rather than immediately it happens in the long run or with abusive amounts.

What lyrium is however is the real question. I tend to think it's crystalized magic or pieces of the Fade made solid by being crushed beneath the earth for generations, similar to oil or diamonds. I really have no idea as it seemed Andraste's ashes were either making the lyrium purer or the lyrium was making her ashes magical (I think the latter was being implied). I'm curious because it seems kind of coincidental that her ashes just happen to be on a super pure lyrium stockpile that creates ghosts as well as keeps a man alive for nearly a thousand years.

I also think it would be cool if maybe our protagonist was somehow affected by lyrium granting his/her ability to sense darkspawn/the taint.

[LolaLei]

Hm, if this novel is anything to go buy, the main city of Orlais where the Grand Cathedral/White Spire is situated is in the throws of attack/civil war, which means it'll look like a bomb site by the time we start playing as the new protagonist, which seems a shame since it would have been nice to see it in all it's glory... Unless we start playing around the same time as the character in Asunder head off for their mission, prior to the civil war hitting the city?

[berelinde]

LolaLei wrote...

Hm, something curious. It novel mentions about the Right of Annulment that happened in Kirkwall is what caused the Circle there to rebel, yet they didn't actually rebel until at least a year or two later. So does that mean that another Right of Annulment was made a couple of years later?

The Rite of Annulment was never actually called until Anders redecorated Hightown, in year 7. That's also the year the Circle rebelled. It had been building for almost a decade. The codex entries in DA:O even point to it with regards to the Fraternities item, but that was the first time it actually happened.
Does that help?

[R2s Muse]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Using Kindle search there are only 2 references to Anders on Asunder. Neither gives dates. 17 results for kirkwall though. 3 for annulment.

http://imageshack.us...ersasunder0.jpg
http://imageshack.us...ersasunder1.jpg

on the annulment search it says the right had not been invoked since kirkwall rebellion - and people think is because templars are afraid of inciting another rebellion (loc 691 for kindle cloud reader). At he end asnother circle is annulled - loc 5968

unfortunatelly the pc cloud reader has no search so i am forced to search on my ipod then bring up the page on pc manually  I only did that for the more important stuff

Yes, virtually every time they talk about what happened in Kirkwall, they call it the rebellion in Kirkwall, when the mages rebelled in Kirkwall, etc. Then when they talk about Anders, it's also in the context of the rebellion.

"The rebellion in Kirkwall had sparked unrest in every Circle across Thedas, and the resulting crackdown had made things very tense." p31 loc394

"There was talk of rebellion, of course. There was always talk. Mages in the far off city of Kirkwall had rebelled a year ago, and considering what happened to them Rhys wasn't surprised the talk never went further than that."
p44 loc601

"He couldn't help but be reminded of the Kirkwall rebellion, however. A mage named Anders had slain the Grand Cleric and set off a series of events that led to the slaughter of nearly every member of the city's Circle..." P. 404, loc 6778.

When they mention the Right of Annulment, "It was a right the templars possessed, meant to be used only as a last act of desperation when a Circle of Magi was completely lost to corruption. That was supposedly what had happened in Kirkwall. If the Rite of Annulment hadn't been invoked since then, it was no doubt because the templars feared further rebellion--but how far could they be pushed?" p54 loc776. [[LOL, Right is mispelled! ]]

Hmm, there's a chance the "series of events" set off by Anders took a while, but it says that these events led to the mages being decimated, i.e. a Right of Annulment, and it says there was only one Annulment.

I still lean toward thinking that the Annulment  (and the rebellion) was what we saw in game, in 9:37, but there's also a chance that in the book's canon they didn't do the Annulment in game and it happened at some time later after a proper rebellion.  I think Occam's Razor says that's too complicated an explanation, tho.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 23 septembre 2012 - 11:13 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Hm, if this novel is anything to go buy, the main city of Orlais where the Grand Cathedral/White Spire is situated is in the throws of attack/civil war, which means it'll look like a bomb site by the time we start playing as the new protagonist, which seems a shame since it would have been nice to see it in all it's glory... Unless we start playing around the same time as the character in Asunder head off for their mission, prior to the civil war hitting the city?

Hmm, had the fighting gotten inside the city gates yet in Asunder? I don't really recall, but I seem to remember them needing to talk their way through a guarded gate to get back inside the city at the end.  So, maybe the Cathedral can be saved... for a while. I also would love to see it all swanky before everything goes boom.

[LolaLei]

berelinde wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Hm, something curious. It novel mentions about the Right of Annulment that happened in Kirkwall is what caused the Circle there to rebel, yet they didn't actually rebel until at least a year or two later. So does that mean that another Right of Annulment was made a couple of years later?

The Rite of Annulment was never actually called until Anders redecorated Hightown, in year 7. That's also the year the Circle rebelled. It had been building for almost a decade. The codex entries in DA:O even point to it with regards to the Fraternities item, but that was the first time it actually happened.
Does that help?

Not exactly, but I've literally just finished reading it so I'm still processing things lol.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Hm, if this novel is anything to go buy, the main city of Orlais where the Grand Cathedral/White Spire is situated is in the throws of attack/civil war, which means it'll look like a bomb site by the time we start playing as the new protagonist, which seems a shame since it would have been nice to see it in all it's glory... Unless we start playing around the same time as the character in Asunder head off for their mission, prior to the civil war hitting the city?

Hmm, had the fighting gotten inside the city gates yet in Asunder? I don't really recall, but I seem to remember them needing to talk their way through a guarded gate to get back inside the city at the end.  So, maybe the Cathedral can be saved... for a while. I also would love to see it all swanky before everything goes boom.

The Cathedral appears to remain untouched. When they hit the City gates there was a guard waiting to take them to the Divine.