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[LolaLei]

I wonder if any of our Cullen theories/speculation has been correct?

[littlenikki]

R2s Muse wrote...

And, DG re-emerges on that thread...

"While I'm certain that reductionism might seem like a profound insight to some, just about any character can be reduced to a stereotype (or archetype, if one prefers). There's usually a point to such analysis, rather than the analysis itself being the point.

Insofar as Cullen himself, I don't think he's a "mediocre character". He's obviously hit a chord. The only part I find interesting is that there's only so much extrapolation that can be done with what's been provided-- it's like finding a 20-page essay written about a 5-page short story.

If you feel the characters we write aren't creative enough, however, then cool. More power to ya. If that summary of yours is meant to be an invitation to that other thread, however, then I think I'll pass."

I don't quite understand that statement, or I'm taking it in totally the wrong way. I don't think anyone's ever stated that they think Cullen is not creative a character as he has already been defined and written, at least on this end. I don't visit those other threads floating around the DA 3 area because the negativity just makes me cranky.

[LolaLei]

Someone said Bioware created mediocre characters like Cullen, Kaidan and Jacob. That was DG's reply.

[littlenikki]

LolaLei wrote...

Someone said Bioware created mediocre characters like Cullen, Kaidan and Jacob. That was DG's reply.

Oh ok, I get it now. I went to peek at what the post was and it helped to better understand what DG meant. I was taking it as the Cullen fans are creating a characterization seperate of the actual in game character, because we don't think that the writers were being creative enough when writing him.

We square DG, we square

[berelinde]

LolaLei wrote...

I wonder if any of our Cullen theories/speculation has been correct?

Does it matter? We've had fun doing it.

Seriously, if Cullen is a companion in DA3 and if he is radically different than we have hypothesized, I imagine that most, if not all, of us would adjust the sights on our headcanon and come up with another 5000 fanfics to explain the difference. Either that or hear the WoG and roll with it.

[LolaLei]

berelinde wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I wonder if any of our Cullen theories/speculation has been correct?

Does it matter? We've had fun doing it.

Seriously, if Cullen is a companion in DA3 and if he is radically different than we have hypothesized, I imagine that most, if not all, of us would adjust the sights on our headcanon and come up with another 5000 fanfics to explain the difference. Either that or hear the WoG and roll with it.

I'm just curious about how they plan to portray him (if at all).

[littlenikki]

berelinde wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I wonder if any of our Cullen theories/speculation has been correct?

Does it matter? We've had fun doing it.

Seriously, if Cullen is a companion in DA3 and if he is radically different than we have hypothesized, I imagine that most, if not all, of us would adjust the sights on our headcanon and come up with another 5000 fanfics to explain the difference. Either that or hear the WoG and roll with it.

I actually like when the characters turn out differently than I imagined. Who wants to play the game that they already know the outcome of? Same thing with the characters, but it's always fun to speculate!

[berelinde]

LolaLei wrote...

I'm just curious about how they plan to portray him (if at all).

How annoyed would you be if I said we have to wait and see?

I don't expect them to come out with any detail about *any* of the characters for several more months, at least.

IIRC, we didn't find out who the companions in DA2 even were until a few days before the pre-order deadline.

[meanieweenie]

LolaLei wrote...

berelinde wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I wonder if any of our Cullen theories/speculation has been correct?

Does it matter? We've had fun doing it.

Seriously, if Cullen is a companion in DA3 and if he is radically different than we have hypothesized, I imagine that most, if not all, of us would adjust the sights on our headcanon and come up with another 5000 fanfics to explain the difference. Either that or hear the WoG and roll with it.

I'm just curious about how they plan to portray him (if at all).

Watch, he'll be a total pariah and hateful jerk. How do we headcanon that? lol

[LolaLei]

berelinde wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I'm just curious about how they plan to portray him (if at all).

How annoyed would you be if I said we have to wait and see?

I don't expect them to come out with any detail about *any* of the characters for several more months, at least.

IIRC, we didn't find out who the companions in DA2 even were until a few days before the pre-order deadline.

I'd feel impatient, but not annoyed. Patience is a virtual I don't possess unfortunately. Chances are we want get Cullen as a companion anyway.

[R2s Muse]

Yeah, sorry, guess I should have included the whole thing for completeness. Just wasn't so interested in rude poster being rude.

David Gaider wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
The amount of gushing enthusiasm over mediocre characters seems to know no bounds here on BSN. Criticism of these characters would be far more beneficial to you and the others you work with.

The characters you and your other writers create are often just stereotypes with daddy issues. Almost all of them follow that formula.

While I'm certain that reductionism might seem like a profound insight to some, just about any character can be reduced to a stereotype (or archetype, if one prefers). There's usually a point to such analysis, rather than the analysis itself being the point.

Insofar as Cullen himself, I don't think he's a "mediocre character". He's obviously hit a chord. The only part I find interesting is that there's only so much extrapolation that can be done with what's been provided-- it's like finding a 20-page essay written about a 5-page short story.

If you feel the characters we write aren't creative enough, however, then cool. More power to ya. If that summary of yours is meant to be an invitation to that other thread, however, then I think I'll pass.

[berelinde]

meanieweenie wrote...

Watch, he'll be a total pariah and hateful jerk. How do we headcanon that? lol

That's the option where we hear the WoG and roll with it.

I don't think they'd do that on purpose, but you never know.

[CuriousArtemis]

Trolls: Cullen's so boring; why do people like him.

Us: *List several reasons and write long beautiful post about how he has evolved as a character*

Trolls: lol whatever, he's so boring. DG sucks.

Modifié par motomotogirl, 24 septembre 2012 - 10:47 .

[littlenikki]

SamaraDraven wrote...

I think all the companions and NPCs having "daddy issues" is actually something that makes sense. Dragon Age is set during a medieval time. That was a rough spot in history. Just about every "man of action" - or woman - in Dragon Age has a broken past. Anyone who is driven to do something - anything - that affects the story has a motivation and the stronger motivations tend to come from personal tragedy. The Warden and Hawke have relatively stable lives and their stories begin when those stable lives are torn apart. Anyone in Thedas who had a whole family and settled life, wasn't doing much. Why would they? Where is their drive? But characters who have had something happen that they want to change or prevent, they DO things. They make things happen. Anyone else is just a sympathizer/dissenter, like Thrask. First he helped his daughter. Then she was killed and his involvment with the mage underground increased.

This is why we expect Cullen to have a good story and be a good addition to the party in DA3. We know he's been through some trials. We know he's still trying to find his center. He's kind of been like the gem beneath the dirt. Squeezed in one direction and certain beliefs - previously questioned as to their necessity - became solidified. Had he stayed in Ferelden, those beliefs might have ballooned. In Kirkwall, his beliefs were supported and exceeded by his superior and were more than he could commit to. Thus, he was being squeezed in the other direction. His past experiences with mage will keep him from going too far backward but his experience with Templars will keep from going too far in the other direction. He's been molded from all sides and pressed until he finally seems to have come to a kind of clarity by the end of DA2. Now that Thedas is in turmoil and fatally polarized, characters like him will be needed. That's why Cassandra seemed to be searching for Hawke, after all. Cullen is more than just a pretty set of pixels, despite the fact that we know so little. He can go to either extreme or be something in between. That's an engaging character, to me at least.

[meanieweenie]

^^ That's the episode where Patrick and SpongeBob are selling chocolate door to door. I recognize the bag. LOL (Sad, I know.)

Anyway, R2: Thanks for the whole post. It sounds much different when you see it as a response to a rude poster.

[R2s Muse]

Allacia wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Trolls: Cullen's so boring; why do people like him.

Us: *List several reasons and write long beautiful post about how he has evolved as a character*

Trolls: lol whatever, he's so boring. DG sucks.

I think you got it in one there. I'd answer in such threads if I honestly thought the person asking was genuinely curious or wants to understand another fandom but I don't get that impression all too often. 

Indeed. Altho it might be an opportunity to engage DG on Cullen... if I weren't already exhausted with that thread and its haters...

[SamaraDraven]

littlenikki wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

I think all the companions and NPCs having "daddy issues" is actually something that makes sense. Dragon Age is set during a medieval time. That was a rough spot in history. Just about every "man of action" - or woman - in Dragon Age has a broken past. Anyone who is driven to do something - anything - that affects the story has a motivation and the stronger motivations tend to come from personal tragedy. The Warden and Hawke have relatively stable lives and their stories begin when those stable lives are torn apart. Anyone in Thedas who had a whole family and settled life, wasn't doing much. Why would they? Where is their drive? But characters who have had something happen that they want to change or prevent, they DO things. They make things happen. Anyone else is just a sympathizer/dissenter, like Thrask. First he helped his daughter. Then she was killed and his involvment with the mage underground increased.

This is why we expect Cullen to have a good story and be a good addition to the party in DA3. We know he's been through some trials. We know he's still trying to find his center. He's kind of been like the gem beneath the dirt. Squeezed in one direction and certain beliefs - previously questioned as to their necessity - became solidified. Had he stayed in Ferelden, those beliefs might have ballooned. In Kirkwall, his beliefs were supported and exceeded by his superior and were more than he could commit to. Thus, he was being squeezed in the other direction. His past experiences with mage will keep him from going too far backward but his experience with Templars will keep from going too far in the other direction. He's been molded from all sides and pressed until he finally seems to have come to a kind of clarity by the end of DA2. Now that Thedas is in turmoil and fatally polarized, characters like him will be needed. That's why Cassandra seemed to be searching for Hawke, after all. Cullen is more than just a pretty set of pixels, despite the fact that we know so little. He can go to either extreme or be something in between. That's an engaging character, to me at least.

hehehe... Thanks. :wub:

I know that bag too. When you have kids, knowing your cartoons becomes a must.

[littlenikki]

SamaraDraven wrote...

hehehe... Thanks. :wub:

I know that bag too. When you have kids, knowing your cartoons becomes a must.

.....is it bad that I know these cartoons and I don't have kids? I'm actually eating Count Chocula and watching Invader Zim as I type this

Edit: CHOCOLATTTTTTEEEE!

Modifié par littlenikki, 24 septembre 2012 - 11:26 .

[LolaLei]

Lol, Allan Schumacher response to the "Why do fan girls love Cullen so much?" was "Why not."

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Lol, Allan Schumacher response to the "Why do fan girls love Cullen so much?" was "Why not."

Was he responding to OP or to the one before who asked why do all characters have to be damaged? I'd prefer the former... LOL

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Lol, Allan Schumacher response to the "Why do fan girls love Cullen so much?" was "Why not."

Was he responding to OP or to the one before who asked why do all characters have to be damaged? I'd prefer the former... LOL

He was responding the the title of the OP's thread lol.

[littlenikki]

So yea, totally didn't go with my instinct to not read that thread. I hate the arguement that he does nothing, or doesn't stand up to Meredith, and that makes him a boring/mediocre character. Cullen is a solider. He has been taught to follow his orders, to take the command of his superiors without thought or judgement. That's what soliders are trained to do, that is their job. The fact that he stands up to her in the end is a huge statement, and step for him to take against everything he's probably been taught as a Templar.

My boyfriend tells me all the time about how the Marine Corps has made him stupid. Not in the way that he doesn't know what 2+2 is, but in the manner of coming up with his own opinions and feelings. Now, he has been in for about 7 years now (this is his last year thankfully) I can't even imagine the type of blind dedication the Chantry and the Templars must instill in their recruits for such a long period of time. I'm no expert on the methods of the Order as described by the writers, but when comparing it to real life organizations that share in it's structure, I have to believe that Cullen is just as brainwashed to follow orders as any other solider. Yet, he still carries doubt and though it takes awhile for him to act on those feelings, he does in fact stand up for himself and the mages that he doesn't even favor.

Modifié par littlenikki, 24 septembre 2012 - 11:47 .