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[LolaLei]

Something else I miss, is the conversations where the potential LI will test the water to find out if you're interested in them. I know Anders chances his arm in DA2 by attempting to flirt without being encouraged, but it didn't feel as... natural as when it would happen in DA:O because you didn't really get the chance to talk to the DA2 companions about their life/past/etc and get to know them in the same way that you could with the DA:O companions. So, when Alistair asks if you're interested it felt more like a natural progression.

Modifié par LolaLei, 25 septembre 2012 - 10:04 .

[SamaraDraven]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

I've always thought blood magic was considered evil, not because you have to deal with a demon, but because you have to use a death or at least a lot of life energy to draw that kind of insane power from the Fade, so it made the Veil thinner every time you used it. Eventually demons would be able to just break through without needing to possess a mage. The stigma of it comes from it being a demon who showed the first blood mage what to do. Or at least, that's what I think/remember...

For this reason, I can't see Cullen being okay with any kind of blood magic. But that's me.

I think old gods were the first to share Blood Magic though I may be wrong. As to the rest I guess I'll just add a, that to, but then again in regards to my Hawke (I know it doesn't really matter what I DO but hear me out ) I tend to onlyuse Blood Magic as a last resort and never on my allies. So I tend to sacrifice my own life energy or that of my enemy's life (who I know is gonna die regardless) but sort of restrict it when it comes to everyday affairs. It's sort of a last resort and I can see Cullen being against it but not so vehemently that he's about to kill you. There was also a thread where I read that you don't always need a demon to learn it, for example Jowan I believe didn't consort with a demon, but he did read books regarding it.

You were a good Blood Mage then?

Maybe it was an Old God... Hmm... I don't remember... It would make sense too. I don't think Cullen would kill a PC for it unless they were evil!Bloodmage. But I do think it'd be a sticking point for him as far as romancing him goes. Jowan did learn from books but those books had to be written by someone. Perhaps someone who had made a deal with a demon? Who knows? For being a beginner, he sure knew how to wield it! :happy: But the Chantry and most decent mages are appalled by it and scared witless of it. There has to be a good reason. I myself have only played as a blood mage once and while it was fun, I found I didn't need it.


In other news, that guy DG scolded is arguing back at him.

"I wasn't making excuses, it was an explanation and a suggestion. There
are no excuses for relatively anonymous interaction with other humans;
it is what it is. Overactive primal lizard brains and all."

Hmmm... I guess me simply pointing out a truth qualifies as "anonymous interaction with other humans". I suppose he's bent on not understanding that I'm not at his level and don't attack people.

[berelinde]

LolaLei wrote...

Something else I miss, is the conversations where the potential LI will test the water to find out if you're interested in them. I know Anders chances his arm in DA2 by attempting to flirt without being encouraged, but it didn't feel as... natural as when it would happen in DA:O because you didn't really get the chance to talk to the DA2 companions about their life/past/etc and get to know them in the same way that you could with the DA:O companions. So, when Alistair asks if you're interested it felt more like a natural progression.

Yeah, I gotta say that I like it when the NPC initiates... but a lot of people get pretty steamed about it. Especially if, you know, they're both guys.

It's a shame. 

[LolaLei]

berelinde wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Something else I miss, is the conversations where the potential LI will test the water to find out if you're interested in them. I know Anders chances his arm in DA2 by attempting to flirt without being encouraged, but it didn't feel as... natural as when it would happen in DA:O because you didn't really get the chance to talk to the DA2 companions about their life/past/etc and get to know them in the same way that you could with the DA:O companions. So, when Alistair asks if you're interested it felt more like a natural progression.

Yeah, I gotta say that I like it when the NPC initiates... but a lot of people get pretty steamed about it. Especially if, you know, they're both guys.

It's a shame. 

Y'know, I think Bioware will continue to allow the companions to initiate. Simply because, well, why the hell not! Just because some people have an issue with the characters coming onto them, doesn't mean the player should be able to control it. I mean, if they want the companions to have personalities like "real people" then they'll have to deal with it, because that's what real people do!

[R2s Muse]

Well I was thinking the cool thing about writing his background is that it doesn't have to be a full on story. Then perhaps more folks will participate. So one could potentially just describe it instead needing characters or dialogue or whatever, but it also could be a story. Anything goes.

How long would everyone want? A week? Two weeks?

[SamaraDraven]

LolaLei wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Also @ motomotogirl - you can probably find them in the DA wiki, but honestly they're really easy to figure out without help or icons. Just become good friends with him - be kind, maybe joke around with him a few times, and voila! I actually like the romance better if you choose not to initiate it (by saying "Has anyone ever told you how handsome you are?"). If you wait and you're friends, he'll do the initial tentative flirting and it is SO much better than you making the first move!!! 

Really? What does he say if you leave him to flirt first?

I just was nice to him and earned approval until he offered me a rose. I didn't shoot down his gift but accepted it and gushed over it and later, when he tries to flirt, I went easy on him. Not too forward but still accepting. If you insist you're friends, he backs off. You insist on shagging right there, he backs off. So you have to take it easy, just keep accepting his overtures and picking nice things to say and eventually he'll say "Alright! I can't take it anymore! You're driving me crazy! I can't think straight and I feel like my head's about to explode! Here's the thing..." He makes his desirs known (even though we already knew and asks to be with you. It's really sweet. <3

I'm paraphrasing a lot because it's been a while since I romanced him.

[LolaLei]

SamaraDraven wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Also @ motomotogirl - you can probably find them in the DA wiki, but honestly they're really easy to figure out without help or icons. Just become good friends with him - be kind, maybe joke around with him a few times, and voila! I actually like the romance better if you choose not to initiate it (by saying "Has anyone ever told you how handsome you are?"). If you wait and you're friends, he'll do the initial tentative flirting and it is SO much better than you making the first move!!! 

Really? What does he say if you leave him to flirt first?

I just was nice to him and earned approval until he offered me a rose. I didn't shoot down his gift but accepted it and gushed over it and later, when he tries to flirt, I went easy on him. Not too forward but still accepting. If you insist you're friends, he backs off. You insist on shagging right there, he backs off. So you have to take it easy, just keep accepting his overtures and picking nice things to say and eventually he'll say "Alright! I can't take it anymore! You're driving me crazy! I can't think straight and I feel like my head's about to explode! Here's the thing..." He makes his desirs known (even though we already knew and asks to be with you. It's really sweet. <3

I'm paraphrasing a lot because it's been a while since I romanced him.

Oh, yeah he says that anyway, even if you flirt first. He's definitely my favorite romance out of all the Bioware games.

[Shades_Of_Pale]

Gah! I love when he says that about his head exploding and all! Hehe!
He is my FAVORITE romance...so far:)

Okay this is a Cullen squeed thread...Shades needs to calm down...*deep breath* lol.

Modifié par Shades_Of_Pale, 25 septembre 2012 - 10:21 .

[LolaLei]

So, if Cullen is a romancable companion. When do you suppose he'd be likely to tell the protagonist that he loves her (if he does) and in what way do you think he'd declare it?

[Illusionary Ennui]

charlottecorday wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I was looking back over all the romances in both DA games and for me personally, I found Alistair's to be the most rewarding. Not due to his personality/looks, but the pacing (if you don't cheat by using the feastday gifts lol.) I liked how for the first few quests you couldn't actually flirt with him, leaving you time to get to him as character first, then gradually more flirt options opens up over time and he'll start to confide in you about his past etc. I'd like to see that return in DA3.

I agree, I loved the pacing of the romances in Origins. It felt more natural.

Very true... again, hopefully Inquistion will lean more towards that aspect. *sighs*

LolaLei wrote...

So, if Cullen is a romancable companion. When do you suppose he'd be likely to tell the protagonist that he loves her(if he does) and in what way do you think he'd declare it?

 

Probably something along the lines of not opening his heart for so long, hardening it for the sake of duty, only to have another break through those walls, the prison holding his own desires... *rambles*

Modifié par Illusionary Ennui, 25 septembre 2012 - 10:25 .

[Narcia_]

It's okay Shades, we all loved something about romancing Alistair.

As for Cullen, I never made him run away, but I did visit him several more times before I finished the mage origin. He did say I could talk with him any time I liked .   Plus he was so sweet!  Can't wait to hear all of Greg Ellis's tender moments in the next game (which is totally going to happen because Cullen will be a LI:P) He and Steve Valentine can both tug on my heartstrings

[LolaLei]

Narcia_ wrote...

It's okay Shades, we all loved something about romancing Alistair.

As for Cullen, I never made him run away, but I did visit him several more times before I finished the mage origin. He did say I could talk with him any time I liked .   Plus he was so sweet!  Can't wait to hear all of Greg Ellis's tender moments in the next game (which is totally going to happen because Cullen will be a LI:P) He and Steve Valentine can both tug on my heartstrings

I love to hear Cullen talking to the protagonist in softer, in a more personal tone. Especially since he was so professional and authoritative in DA2... apart from on the odd occasion where when his mask slipped lol.

[Danny Boy 7]

SamaraDraven wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

I've always thought blood magic was considered evil, not because you have to deal with a demon, but because you have to use a death or at least a lot of life energy to draw that kind of insane power from the Fade, so it made the Veil thinner every time you used it. Eventually demons would be able to just break through without needing to possess a mage. The stigma of it comes from it being a demon who showed the first blood mage what to do. Or at least, that's what I think/remember...

For this reason, I can't see Cullen being okay with any kind of blood magic. But that's me.

I think old gods were the first to share Blood Magic though I may be wrong. As to the rest I guess I'll just add a, that to, but then again in regards to my Hawke (I know it doesn't really matter what I DO but hear me out ) I tend to onlyuse Blood Magic as a last resort and never on my allies. So I tend to sacrifice my own life energy or that of my enemy's life (who I know is gonna die regardless) but sort of restrict it when it comes to everyday affairs. It's sort of a last resort and I can see Cullen being against it but not so vehemently that he's about to kill you. There was also a thread where I read that you don't always need a demon to learn it, for example Jowan I believe didn't consort with a demon, but he did read books regarding it.

You were a good Blood Mage then?

Maybe it was an Old God... Hmm... I don't remember... It would make sense too. I don't think Cullen would kill a PC for it unless they were evil!Bloodmage. But I do think it'd be a sticking point for him as far as romancing him goes. Jowan did learn from books but those books had to be written by someone. Perhaps someone who had made a deal with a demon? Who knows? For being a beginner, he sure knew how to wield it! :happy: But the Chantry and most decent mages are appalled by it and scared witless of it. There has to be a good reason. I myself have only played as a blood mage once and while it was fun, I found I didn't need it.


In other news, that guy DG scolded is arguing back at him.

"I wasn't making excuses, it was an explanation and a suggestion. There
are no excuses for relatively anonymous interaction with other humans;
it is what it is. Overactive primal lizard brains and all."

Hmmm... I guess me simply pointing out a truth qualifies as "anonymous interaction with other humans". I suppose he's bent on not understanding that I'm not at his level and don't attack people.

Sort of I just don't use it unless someone consents (sich as my Hawke and even then I use it sparingly. Why use it when I can kill them with fire?)

You know I've always wondered what it takes to use blood magic. I mean sometimes it looks like you NEED to have studied it either from a book or a demon, but other times it looks like all you have to do is cut your finger and start gaining mana or whatever. I tend to think that mind control and such is more advanced like you have to learn that from a demon but the spells that simply make you more powerful can be done by anybody cruel enough.

As for the Chantry and other mages yeah I think they are right and that it is evil, but only when someone uses it casually and if they don't have another option. I mean if it's someone's last option and they're forced into it then I can't really blame them, they're defending themselves, but if they start whipping out the blood magic willy nilly then haha...time to die. I mean I'll always give someone the option of straightening out (if they're open to it), like I tried with Gascard...Du'Puis (hehe Du'Puis) but once he kidnapped my mother and tried to get me killed...Varric sort of read my mind.

[R2s Muse]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

As for the Chantry and other mages yeah I think they are right and that it is evil, but only when someone uses it casually and if they don't have another option. I mean if it's someone's last option and they're forced into it then I can't really blame them, they're defending themselves, but if they start whipping out the blood magic willy nilly then haha...time to die. I mean I'll always give someone the option of straightening out (if they're open to it), like I tried with Gascard...Du'Puis (hehe Du'Puis) but once he kidnapped my mother and tried to get me killed...Varric sort of read my mind.

I don't know that I would agree that this is the Chantry's official position. I wouldn't be surprised that even one use, casual or not, and boom, you're busted. That said... I'm sure they could break/bend it whenever the feel like it. After all, the phylacteries are straight up blood magic, confirmed by DG.

[Danny Boy 7]

Illusionary Ennui wrote...

charlottecorday wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I was looking back over all the romances in both DA games and for me personally, I found Alistair's to be the most rewarding. Not due to his personality/looks, but the pacing (if you don't cheat by using the feastday gifts lol.) I liked how for the first few quests you couldn't actually flirt with him, leaving you time to get to him as character first, then gradually more flirt options opens up over time and he'll start to confide in you about his past etc. I'd like to see that return in DA3.

I agree, I loved the pacing of the romances in Origins. It felt more natural.

Very true... again, hopefully Inquistion will lean more towards that aspect. *sighs*

LolaLei wrote...

So, if Cullen is a romancable companion. When do you suppose he'd be likely to tell the protagonist that he loves her(if he does) and in what way do you think he'd declare it?

 

Probably something along the lines of not opening his heart for so long, hardening it for the sake of duty, only to have another break through those walls, the prison holding his own desires... *rambles*

I'm leaning towards the last battle myself, he'd be a douche and let it ferment before he says it. And it'd probably be the last line before he and the PC kiss.

If someone can remind me when does a friended Isabela say she loves Hawke? I tend to remember it being after she gets her boat or was it during the last battle? Any answers would be appreciated,

Oh and a irrelevant note: Is it bad that I hear children (teenagers) like wailing and screaming outside my windows and all I can think is, "Shut up! I'm typing about Cullen!"

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Narcia_ wrote...

It's okay Shades, we all loved something about romancing Alistair.

As for Cullen, I never made him run away, but I did visit him several more times before I finished the mage origin. He did say I could talk with him any time I liked .   Plus he was so sweet!  Can't wait to hear all of Greg Ellis's tender moments in the next game (which is totally going to happen because Cullen will be a LI:P) He and Steve Valentine can both tug on my heartstrings

I love to hear Cullen talking to the protagonist in softer, in a more personal tone. Especially since he was so professional and authoritative in DA2... apart from on the odd occasion where when his mask slipped lol.

I know, his voice in DA:O is so different.  As a reminder, vieralynn has proceeded to post his audio clips, a clip at a time. So far, they've been thelines from the male mage origin.

http://vieralynn.tum...llen's-dialogue

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Narcia_ wrote...

It's okay Shades, we all loved something about romancing Alistair.

As for Cullen, I never made him run away, but I did visit him several more times before I finished the mage origin. He did say I could talk with him any time I liked .   Plus he was so sweet!  Can't wait to hear all of Greg Ellis's tender moments in the next game (which is totally going to happen because Cullen will be a LI:P) He and Steve Valentine can both tug on my heartstrings

I love to hear Cullen talking to the protagonist in softer, in a more personal tone. Especially since he was so professional and authoritative in DA2... apart from on the odd occasion where when his mask slipped lol.

I know, his voice in DA:O is so different.  As a reminder, vieralynn has proceeded to post his audio clips, a clip at a time. So far, they've been thelines from the male mage origin.

http://vieralynn.tum...llen's-dialogue

Yeah I've been following these. It just goes to show how far he'll drop his guard for something who he likes/loves.

[LolaLei]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Illusionary Ennui wrote...

charlottecorday wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I was looking back over all the romances in both DA games and for me personally, I found Alistair's to be the most rewarding. Not due to his personality/looks, but the pacing (if you don't cheat by using the feastday gifts lol.) I liked how for the first few quests you couldn't actually flirt with him, leaving you time to get to him as character first, then gradually more flirt options opens up over time and he'll start to confide in you about his past etc. I'd like to see that return in DA3.

I agree, I loved the pacing of the romances in Origins. It felt more natural.

Very true... again, hopefully Inquistion will lean more towards that aspect. *sighs*

LolaLei wrote...

So, if Cullen is a romancable companion. When do you suppose he'd be likely to tell the protagonist that he loves her(if he does) and in what way do you think he'd declare it?

 

Probably something along the lines of not opening his heart for so long, hardening it for the sake of duty, only to have another break through those walls, the prison holding his own desires... *rambles*

I'm leaning towards the last battle myself, he'd be a douche and let it ferment before he says it. And it'd probably be the last line before he and the PC kiss.

If someone can remind me when does a friended Isabela say she loves Hawke? I tend to remember it being after she gets her boat or was it during the last battle? Any answers would be appreciated,

Oh and a irrelevant note: Is it bad that I hear children (teenagers) like wailing and screaming outside my windows and all I can think is, "Shut up! I'm typing about Cullen!"

Yeah I'm inclined to believe that it'll be more towards the end of the game, or maybe after the protagonist barely escapes a near death experience. I'm torn between whether I think it would be a stuttery/nervous thing or if he'd just blurt it out during an angsty/angry/concerned moment.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

So, if Cullen is a romancable companion. When do you suppose he'd be likely to tell the protagonist that he loves her (if he does) and in what way do you think he'd declare it?

Hmm, I think he'd have to be "love" before he shags you... so I think he'd declare it at/during/after the first hook up. And, I see him sorta agonizing over tell you. Like, you have a close call with some battle and he decides he has to declare himself after that. ( I suppose that's sorta Alistair-ish, tho, isn't it?) But I see there being some catalyst like that, like almost losing you.

I could also see something funny, like one of the companions tricking him into admitting it while the PC is listening, so he has to fess up.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

I could also see something funny, like one of the companions tricking him into admitting it while the PC is listening, so he has to fess up.

That would be a good way for us as the player to hear him admit it to one of the companions without him directly saying it. So that when he does finally blurt it out, then we'd be like d'awwww bless!

[Danny Boy 7]

@charolottecorday thank YOU!!! *mwah*

@Lola I think the first time it might be more akin to Anders, but with some Alistair undertones. So he might stutter at first and then say it more assuredly. I think when he says it during the final battle he'll be a bit more...sure of it and it'll be one of the most tender moments you have with him.

On that note I hope they keep the talk with each companion before the final battle thing. I really loved that tender like final look before whatever happens. My personal favorites have been with Morrigan, Oghren, Varric, Carver and Isabela.

[Narcia_]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

So, if Cullen is a romancable companion. When do you suppose he'd be likely to tell the protagonist that he loves her (if he does) and in what way do you think he'd declare it?

Hmm, I think he'd have to be "love" before he shags you... so I think he'd declare it at/during/after the first hook up. And, I see him sorta agonizing over tell you. Like, you have a close call with some battle and he decides he has to declare himself after that. ( I suppose that's sorta Alistair-ish, tho, isn't it?) But I see there being some catalyst like that, like almost losing you.

I could also see something funny, like one of the companions tricking him into admitting it while the PC is listening, so he has to fess up.

Yeah. Any of this <3

It might be a good way to add in some levity as Cullen isn't the type to deflect with humour, unlike Alistair.

Modifié par Narcia_, 25 septembre 2012 - 11:13 .

[R2s Muse]

Narcia_ wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

So, if Cullen is a romancable companion. When do you suppose he'd be likely to tell the protagonist that he loves her (if he does) and in what way do you think he'd declare it?

Hmm, I think he'd have to be "love" before he shags you... so I think he'd declare it at/during/after the first hook up. And, I see him sorta agonizing over tell you. Like, you have a close call with some battle and he decides he has to declare himself after that. ( I suppose that's sorta Alistair-ish, tho, isn't it?) But I see there being some catalyst like that, like almost losing you.

I could also see something funny, like one of the companions tricking him into admitting it while the PC is listening, so he has to fess up.

Yeah. Any of this <3

It might be a good way to add in some levity as Cullen isn't the type to deflect with humour, unlike Alistair.

I hadn't thought about it that way. Good point!