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[Dunquixote]

A few of those pictures looks a little like Penny Arcade art.

Hey, when writing fanfics, is it allowable to use some lines you find in the game--like the ones with Cullen stammering?  Or do you paraphrase or reword them?  At the beginning, I wrote that all the characters and the game are bioware's, but I'm not sure if that's enough.

Modifié par Dunquixote, 18 avril 2012 - 05:46 .

[SamaraDraven]

Dunquixote wrote...

A few of those pictures looks a little like Penny Arcade art.

Hey, when writing fanfics, is it allowable to use some lines you find in the game--like the ones with Cullen stammering?  Or do you paraphrase or reword them?  At the beginning, I wrote that all the characters and the game are bioware's, but I'm not sure if that's enough.

If you'd like to paraphrase, that's usually fine. But quoting them word for word is okay also. I've seen fics that do both. As long as the character is still in character, either works.

[Dunquixote]

Awesome thanks! I'm sorry for continuously asking or saying stuff about my fan fic like -- I just posted another or asking something not related to Cullen. I've just been really excited about writing it and talking to everyone, that I might've overdone the questions and fan fic talk first time or not . I just worry about plagiarism even though I'm posting them for enjoyment and not for money. >< I

[R2s Muse]

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[R2s Muse]

If anyone's interested, there is a Facebook fan group that was started by one of the BSN Cullen forumites last year.
https://www.facebook...14494471925853/

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

If anyone's interested, there is a Facebook fan group that was started by one of the BSN Cullen forumites last year.
https://www.facebook...14494471925853/

I'm not on facebook so I can't have a look. How many members has it got?

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

If anyone's interested, there is a Facebook fan group that was started by one of the BSN Cullen forumites last year.
https://www.facebook...14494471925853/

I'm not on facebook so I can't have a look. How many members has it got?

Only 30. It's a closed group.

[R2s Muse]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

If anyone's interested, there is a Facebook fan group that was started by one of the BSN Cullen forumites last year.
https://www.facebook...14494471925853/

I'm not on facebook so I can't have a look. How many members has it got?

Only 30. It's a closed group.

You know, IIRC, part of the reason it's closed was to avoid the haters... which makes me realize for the first time that we've gone like 20 pages without a hater stumbling in. Amazing! Bask in the love.<3<3

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

If anyone's interested, there is a Facebook fan group that was started by one of the BSN Cullen forumites last year.
https://www.facebook...14494471925853/

I'm not on facebook so I can't have a look. How many members has it got?

Only 30. It's a closed group.

You know, IIRC, part of the reason it's closed was to avoid the haters... which makes me realize for the first time that we've gone like 20 pages without a hater stumbling in. Amazing! Bask in the love.<3<3

Lol people only hate him because they want to ignore the fact that his behaviour was understandable even if it wasn't justified. I mean I think I'd have reacted the same if I'd been tortured by a bunch of demons and blood Mages for weeks/months. At the end of DA2 he's been screwed over by the Knight Commander as well who he clearly looked up to since she was the one who gave him a fresh chance to continue his duties as Templar.

So I think his personality has gone from being naive about Mages, to hating them, to finally having a balanced view point accepting that both sides are dangerous in their own right when pushed enough. If they put him in DA3 with that sort of outlook, mixed with other more endearing qualities of his personality as a companion/LI and give him a decent back story/romance/the chance to explain his motives/redeem himself then I suspect a lot of people will convert and actually grow to like him.

I mean, a lot of people like Fenris and he was a total jerk about Mages and had just as much reason to hate them. I think the only thing that could potentially blow up in Cullen's face fan wise is the fact that there was rape going on in the Gallow's yet he seemingly done nothing to stop it... some people even think he was part of it, so that might be something Bioware should address, maybe a Mage could approach the group and thank him from stopping a Templar raping/attacking her during her time in the Gallows or a conversation between him and the PC about how he'd killed a Templar after he caught one trying to torture a victim or something.

Modifié par LolaLei, 18 avril 2012 - 11:33 .

[R2s Muse]

Weeelll, it hurts my brain to think about all the ways people hate him, but the writers did set him up as the anti-templar poster boy in a few DA2 scenes that pushed some people's buttons. Despite that, I think now I'll just point to David Gaider calling him the voice of reason, and turn the other cheek. For all the greyness that was supposed to added to the templar-mage conflict, there are too many templar atrocities that can be pointed to (like those you mention, Lola) and too often every templar is implicated as being complicit in them. It's a slippery slope.

[R2s Muse]

Jasmine96 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Oooo almost at 80 pages, that's not bad going for an NPC fan thread! When we get to 100 I'll post a whole page worth of Cullen pics!

Theres even another thread with 75 pages!

Yeah, we decided to start the other thread over since its creator had abandoned the forums and it wasn't originally framed as a general discussion thread like this newer one is. But we did a mini-celebration at page 50... I heartily approve of another if we make it to 100!!

[berelinde]

Dunquixote wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Jasmine96 wrote...

berelinde wrote...

Jasmine96 wrote...

lol am I the only one who found Orsino kind of hot?

You are not the only one.

Good to know! I didn't actually notice it until someone else said something, then I thought hey they're kind of right

LOL, he didn't do much for me but I thought it was funny how he flirted with Hawke. He had a better sense of humour than Meredith, who had... none.

Do you reckon they'll give Cullen a sense of humour? Is it bad that I can't imagine him having one at all.

If they do attempt to give Cullen a sense of humor, from what humor came out of DA2, I'd say they'd just butcher his character and personality (no offense intended to anyone or towards Bioware).  Of course, I know he has to have some humor, as serious, dedicated, and dutiful as he is to the Order.

Keep in mind that both the Warden and Hawke meet him under very serious circumstances.

If I were writing the character, I would write him as serious with a definite Batman voice, a formal, impersonal tone predominating and a massive sense of duty, but I would give him an appreciation for irony and subtle humor. He would groan at Oghren's coarseness and become annoyed at Isabela's ribaldry, for example, but he would smile at some of Varric's lines and occasionally engage in lighter, more personal banter with people he trusted. IMO, Cullen is not humorless, he is reserved. He would not let a lot of people closeto him, but once the PC got to know him, he would allow more of his true personality to show.

And I would definitely be in favor of Cullen as a companion and LI in DA3. 

[R2s Muse]

berelinde wrote...

Dunquixote wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Do you reckon they'll give Cullen a sense of humour? Is it bad that I can't imagine him having one at all.

If they do attempt to give Cullen a sense of humor, from what humor came out of DA2, I'd say they'd just butcher his character and personality (no offense intended to anyone or towards Bioware).  Of course, I know he has to have some humor, as serious, dedicated, and dutiful as he is to the Order.

Keep in mind that both the Warden and Hawke meet him under very serious circumstances.

If I were writing the character, I would write him as serious with a definite Batman voice, a formal, impersonal tone predominating and a massive sense of duty, but I would give him an appreciation for irony and subtle humor. He would groan at Oghren's coarseness and become annoyed at Isabela's ribaldry, for example, but he would smile at some of Varric's lines and occasionally engage in lighter, more personal banter with people he trusted. IMO, Cullen is not humorless, he is reserved. He would not let a lot of people closeto him, but once the PC got to know him, he would allow more of his true personality to show.

And I would definitely be in favor of Cullen as a companion and LI in DA3. 

Love this notion of the Batman voice!  Agree that he'd inevitably have some humor, you'd just have to get him to loosen up a bit first. That's part of of what would be so great about having him as a companion, since we'd finally get to probe under that external shielding. But, certainly he wouldn't be jokey like Alistair or Anders (erm, or is that Awakening!Anders?).
EDIT: This reminds me suddenly of Fenris. He always seems so serious, but he actually has a rather dry wit. I could see something like that coming out for Cullen.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 18 avril 2012 - 12:56 .

[VampOrchid]

Dunquixote wrote...

If they do attempt to give Cullen a sense of humor, from what humor came out of DA2, I'd say they'd just butcher his character and personality (no offense intended to anyone or towards Bioware).  Of course, I know he has to have some humor, as serious, dedicated, and dutiful as he is to the Order.

Agreed. It would be Anders all over again....

[VampOrchid]

R2s Muse wrote...

VampOrchid wrote...



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[meanieweenie]

Eeeeew! No Batman voice! lol That would ruin it for me. I'd expect him to be on the serious side, to be sure. That would make it all the more surprising and fun to hear him let his guard down and crack a joke on occasion. Just no more hard core brooding please. It will send me over the wall.

[R2s Muse]

meanieweenie wrote...

Eeeeew! No Batman voice! lol That would ruin it for me. I'd expect him to be on the serious side, to be sure. That would make it all the more surprising and fun to hear him let his guard down and crack a joke on occasion. Just no more hard core brooding please. It will send me over the wall.

LOL ^This. Definitely would be nice to avoid this... but I dunno... batman voice... sexy...

[LolaLei]

Yeah, considering the idea was supposed to be that neither the Mages or the Templars were ultimately good or bad, but rather shades of grey based on your own opinions and beliefs, but the way in which they executed it made the Templars look like the bad guys. All we saw were Mage's resorting to blood magic etc due to the Templars squeezing too tight and abusing them. Even that Mage who killed Hawke's mother could be sympathised with because he was doing it out of anguish for his lost love, losing her drove him to necromancy which was kinda heart breaking if you think about it deeply enough. The only plight of the Templars we heard about was during that brief conversation with Cullen where he skims over the events he faced in the Broken Circle quest in DA:O. The ratio of sympathetic Templar stories in comparison to the vast number of innocent Mage encounters we faced were out numbered.

The story would have worked better if they had given us more time around the Templars, to witness their daily struggles, see them kill a Mage they were previously friendly with and watch them grief after, experience lyrium withdrawl... perhaps meeting a standed Templar on the Wounded Coast having a major lyrium come down to which we could give him some of our lyrium to help him or leave him to suffer etc. Witnessing Meredith going slowly mad through cinematic cutscenes of Cullen checking in on her throughout the game as she barks out increasingly crazier orders, insulting him about his past when he tries to reason/argue with her and towards the end right before the final battle have him listen through the door as she mumbles incoherrently to herself etc.

It would have been easy enough to do.

Modifié par LolaLei, 18 avril 2012 - 01:08 .

[R2s Muse]

VampOrchid wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

VampOrchid wrote...



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Anyway, it'll save you a few steps, and avoid any weirdness with uploading someone's art to a personal site...

Awww that would make life easier...cause I really don't like image shack lol

LOL - I can imagine! I use photobucket for my screenshots, but must be about the same.

Speaking of which, a little romance for this fine Wednesday.

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Yeah, considering the idea was supposed to be that neither the Mages or the Templars were ultimately good or bad, but rather shades of grey based on your own opinions and beliefs, but the way in which they executed it made the Templars look like the bad guys. All we saw were Mage's resorting to blood magic etc due to the Templars squeezing too tight and abusing them. Even that Mage who killed Hawke's mother could be sympathised with because he was doing it out of anguish for his lost love, losing her drove him to necromancy which was kinda heart breaking if you think about it deeply enough. The only plight of the Templars we heard about was during that brief conversation with Cullen where he skims over the events he faced in the Broken Circle quest in DA:O. The ratio of sympathetic Templar stories in comparison to the vast number of innocent Mage encounters we faced were out numbered.

The story would have worked better if they had given us more time around the Templars, to witness their daily struggles, see them kill a Mage they were previously friendly with and watch them grief after, experience lyrium withdrawl... perhaps meeting a standed Templar on the Wounded Coast having a major lyrium come down to which we could give him some of our lyrium to help him or leave him to suffer etc. Witnessing Meredith going slowly mad through cinematic cutscenes of Cullen checking in on her throughout the game as she barks out increasingly crazier orders, insulting him about his past when he tries to reason/argue with her and towards the end right before the final battle have him listen through the door as she mumbles incoherrently to herself etc.

It would have been easy enough to do.

Totally agree. Add in the events of DA: Asunder... and wow. And, some of the more sympathetic things in DA2 take a bit of digging with Cullen, and I'm sure the typical non-Cullen-fan doesn't spend as much time talking to him as we do.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

Eeeeew! No Batman voice! lol That would ruin it for me. I'd expect him to be on the serious side, to be sure. That would make it all the more surprising and fun to hear him let his guard down and crack a joke on occasion. Just no more hard core brooding please. It will send me over the wall.

LOL ^This. Definitely would be nice to avoid this... but I dunno... batman voice... sexy...

Dry wit would work for his character, or maybe he could turn out to be a very funny character in terms of one liners, they wouldn't have to be silly one liners like Alistair's, just very quick witted sharp ones that are unexpected and cracked at really inappropriate times lol.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Yeah, considering the idea was supposed to be that neither the Mages or the Templars were ultimately good or bad, but rather shades of grey based on your own opinions and beliefs, but the way in which they executed it made the Templars look like the bad guys. All we saw were Mage's resorting to blood magic etc due to the Templars squeezing too tight and abusing them. Even that Mage who killed Hawke's mother could be sympathised with because he was doing it out of anguish for his lost love, losing her drove him to necromancy which was kinda heart breaking if you think about it deeply enough. The only plight of the Templars we heard about was during that brief conversation with Cullen where he skims over the events he faced in the Broken Circle quest in DA:O. The ratio of sympathetic Templar stories in comparison to the vast number of innocent Mage encounters we faced were out numbered.

The story would have worked better if they had given us more time around the Templars, to witness their daily struggles, see them kill a Mage they were previously friendly with and watch them grief after, experience lyrium withdrawl... perhaps meeting a standed Templar on the Wounded Coast having a major lyrium come down to which we could give him some of our lyrium to help him or leave him to suffer etc. Witnessing Meredith going slowly mad through cinematic cutscenes of Cullen checking in on her throughout the game as she barks out increasingly crazier orders, insulting him about his past when he tries to reason/argue with her and towards the end right before the final battle have him listen through the door as she mumbles incoherrently to herself etc.

It would have been easy enough to do.

Totally agree. Add in the events of DA: Asunder... and wow. And, some of the more sympathetic things in DA2 take a bit of digging with Cullen, and I'm sure the typical non-Cullen-fan doesn't spend as much time talking to him as we do.

Yeah, it should have been complusive information thrust in everyone faces the way they did with the Mages so that you couldn't avoid the fact that the Templars had a hard life too.

[LolaLei]

I wonder how the other party members would take to him if he was made a companion? I have a horrible feeling they'd be rude to him all the time like everyone was to Seb in DA2 lol.

I'd hope they would warm to him though. I would love to see Cullen take on a brotherly/protective role with one of the younger members of the group (kinda like Isabela did with Merrill.) I can't imagine he's ever had many friends, he seems like a bit of a loner who never joined in with the other Templars banter or trips to the hanged man/Blooming Rose.

Modifié par LolaLei, 18 avril 2012 - 01:30 .

[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

I wonder how the other party members would take to him if he was made a companion? I have a horrible feeling they'd be rude to him all the time like everyone was to Seb in DA2 lol.

I'd hope they would warm to him though. I would love to see Cullen take on a brotherly/protective role with one of the younger members of the group (kinda like Isabela did with Merrill.) I can't imagine he's ever had many friends, he seems like a bit of a loner who never joined in with the other Templars banter or trips to the hanged man/Blooming Rose.

Hmm, interesting question. You know, I think if the companions felt he was prosthelytizing all the time, they  would resent it. I'm torn on whether he'd do that. In DA2, after the Keran quest, if you try to brush off his concerns about mages and don't take a side, he gets really mad. ALTHOUGH - he also says he won't preach. hmm.

Hawke: “The situation is dealt with. Who is right and wrong is academic.”
Cullen: “Wrong! This is no stuffy scholar’s debate. This is the central fact of the world that Andraste recognized. *sigh* But I will not preach. Thank you for your service.”

I agree that he does seem like he'd be a bit of a loner amonst the templars.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I wonder how the other party members would take to him if he was made a companion? I have a horrible feeling they'd be rude to him all the time like everyone was to Seb in DA2 lol.

I'd hope they would warm to him though. I would love to see Cullen take on a brotherly/protective role with one of the younger members of the group (kinda like Isabela did with Merrill.) I can't imagine he's ever had many friends, he seems like a bit of a loner who never joined in with the other Templars banter or trips to the hanged man/Blooming Rose.

Hmm, interesting question. You know, I think if the companions felt he was prosthelytizing all the time, they  would resent it. I'm torn on whether he'd do that. In DA2, after the Keran quest, if you try to brush off his concerns about mages and don't take a side, he gets really mad. ALTHOUGH - he also says he won't preach. hmm.

Hawke: “The situation is dealt with. Who is right and wrong is academic.”
Cullen: “Wrong! This is no stuffy scholar’s debate. This is the central fact of the world that Andraste recognized. *sigh* But I will not preach. Thank you for your service.”

I agree that he does seem like he'd be a bit of a loner amonst the templars.

I can't imagine he'd ever go back to being a soft touch on Mages or the Mage plight like he was in DA:O, so I'd presume he'll have some heated debates with certain pro-mage companions.

I've always got the impression that despite his unwavering belief in the Templar order, a large part of him resents being a Templar. I feel like maybe as a youngster he held a rather romantic notion that the life of a Templar Knight would be one filled with adventure and romance protecting Mages and killing bad guys, only to discover the grim reality once he became one.

Does anyone know how he came to be part of the order? Was he born into it or did he sign up? Was he a full blown Templar in DA:O or still a recruit?