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[R2s Muse]

LolaLei wrote...

Does anyone know how he came to be part of the order? Was he born into it or did he sign up? Was he a full blown Templar in DA:O or still a recruit?

There's no official background on him. Although, I always think of this story when I think of young recruit Cullen.

Edit for ToP: Hawke and Cullen Dragon Age 2 by Inveleth

Modifié par R2s Muse, 18 avril 2012 - 02:22 .

[LolaLei]

Kinda unrelated, but this is the sort of thing I want to see in DA3 emotional scene wise, I feel like Cullen would be the perfect character to introduce touching scenes like this in to the game, especially as his character isn't too dissimilar to Kaidan's in Mass Effect:

[SamaraDraven]

Dunquixote wrote...

Awesome thanks! I'm sorry for continuously asking or saying stuff about my fan fic like -- I just posted another or asking something not related to Cullen. I've just been really excited about writing it and talking to everyone, that I might've overdone the questions and fan fic talk first time or not . I just worry about plagiarism even though I'm posting them for enjoyment and not for money. >< I

We all are taking the copyright risk when we make fic. Thankfully, it's usually not enough of a concern for the license holders to come after us for it. If you're quoting the character's dialogue from the game, or book or whatever, in your fic, that's fine. There are sooooo many fics that are retellings of the games that use dialogue verbatim. If yo want to quote another person's fictional dialogue from a story they wrote, it's considered polite to ask permission from the author first. Technically they don't have any legal right to make you stop but it's just very rude and othe fans will rally to that person's cause and make you want to take it down. There's even a livejournal community called stop plaigarism that devotes itself to investigating reports of literary theft and they have a list of know plaigarists to boot!

And don't worry about asking. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't mind. Being excited about Cullen and fic is good!

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Does anyone know how he came to be part of the order? Was he born into it or did he sign up? Was he a full blown Templar in DA:O or still a recruit?

There's no official background on him. Although, I always think of this story when I think of young recruit Cullen.

Edit for ToP: Hawke and Cullen Dragon Age 2 by Inveleth

Aw, that's a really sweet little story! I've always imagined that Cullen would draw great delight out of little things that other people would think nothing of (like the oranges.) Bioware definitely need to introduce that side of his personality into the mix in DA3.

[R2s Muse]

SamaraDraven wrote...

And don't worry about asking. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't mind. Being excited about Cullen and fic is good!

Agreed! The more Cullen fanfic the better, and how else to get better and share the love than asking questions of others who share that love? I've done my fair share of asks as well, so no worries. If you want a forum that's a bit more focused on writing, the DA writer's corner forum at ff.net has a bunch of really nice folks, too.

LolaLei wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...
Does anyone know how he came to be part of the order? Was he born into it or did he sign up? Was he a full blown Templar in DA:O or still a recruit?

There's no official background on him. Although, I always think of this story when I think of young recruit Cullen.

Aw, that's a really sweet little story! I've always imagined that Cullen would draw great delight out of little things that other people would think nothing of (like the oranges.) Bioware definitely need to introduce that side of his personality into the mix in DA3.

Agree. We need to see the person inside the templar. I always like to think that he was a foundling or something since he has no last name. But, they seem to be sorta random about assigning last names in the DA-verse. :shrug:

And, I have no idea what really distinguishes templar duties from a recruits, but I think I'd be surprised if he wasn't a full blown knight already in DA:O. Just doesn't seem like they'd assign a recruit to do the killing blow for a Harrowing. But, who knows.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 18 avril 2012 - 03:32 .

[SamaraDraven]

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Does anyone know how he came to be part of the order? Was he born into it or did he sign up? Was he a full blown Templar in DA:O or still a recruit?

There's no official background on him. Although, I always think of this story when I think of young recruit Cullen.

Awwww! That was such a sweet and cute little story! And well written too! Makes me wonder why Alistair and Cullen didn't know each other before DAO and touch upon it in the game. I think it was possible. Thanks for sharing!

[R2s Muse]

SamaraDraven wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Does anyone know how he came to be part of the order? Was he born into it or did he sign up? Was he a full blown Templar in DA:O or still a recruit?

There's no official background on him. Although, I always think of this story when I think of young recruit Cullen.

Awwww! That was such a sweet and cute little story! And well written too! Makes me wonder why Alistair and Cullen didn't know each other before DAO and touch upon it in the game. I think it was possible. Thanks for sharing!

My pleasure. Someone else from here originally shared it with me... and it's sorta taken over my head canon, now. I could totally see him being that prickly kind of teenager, and not knowing what to do about someone like Alistair.

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse: See, that's what I loved about the DA:O companions, they'd tell you about their childhood and life before meeting the Warden. Alistair told you about his time in Redcliffe Castle and what he'd got up to as a kid, Morrigan told you about the "games" she and her mother used to play when she was a child and the hand mirror she took a fancy to, Zevran spoke about his time around the prostitutes as a child and how they'd look after him, even Wynne spoke briefly of her time in the Circle as a young woman teaching apprentices. We didn't get any of that in DA2 aside from when Varric briefly mentioned what Bartrand was like as a kid.

I hope they bring that aspect back in DA3, I really missed learning more about my companions and we definitely need to see the man behind the Templar.

Modifié par LolaLei, 18 avril 2012 - 04:15 .

[LolaLei]

Ok, here's a new question for you all:

If Bioware were to go back to their DA:O roots and give us the opportunity to asks our companions questions about their lives growing up, what back story do you think they'll give Cullen? Do you think he was orphan, taken to the Chantry as a baby/youngster? Did he have a happy upbringing with a noble family and joined the Templars when he came of age? Did he join the Templars to escape a life of petty crime? Did he join to escape an unhappy home life? Etc.

What's become your canon story regarding Cullen's life before joining the Templar order?

[meanieweenie]

LolaLei wrote...

Ok, here's a new question for you all:

If Bioware were to go back to their DA:O roots and give us the opportunity to asks our companions questions about their lives growing up, what back story do you think they'll give Cullen? Do you think he was orphan, taken to the Chantry as a baby/youngster? Did he have a happy upbringing with a noble family and joined the Templars when he came of age? Did he join the Templars to escape a life of petty crime? Did he join to escape an unhappy home life? Etc.

What's become your canon story regarding Cullen's life before joining the Templar order?

Hmmm... It could be interesting to think that he had a regular rural type home life. Not rich, not poor. Perhaps he had some very bigoted parents that didn't care for mages for whatever reason so he was kind of pushed into the Templars. Only through the years does he realize that mages are people too.

Or... it was either the Chantry or juvie.

Or... he was tired of hustling for coin by washing horses in a thong. With stars in his eyes, one day he said "I'm gonna be somebody!". He put on some pants, marched up to the Templars and signed up for a life on the road.

[berelinde]

meanieweenie wrote...

Or... he was tired of hustling for coin by washing horses in a thong. With stars in his eyes, one day he said "I'm gonna be somebody!". He put on a skirt, marched up to the Templars and signed up for a life on the road.

Fixed it for you. Also, that may be the funniest thing I have ever read.

[LolaLei]

berelinde wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

Or... he was tired of hustling for coin by washing horses in a thong. With stars in his eyes, one day he said "I'm gonna be somebody!". He put on a skirt, marched up to the Templars and signed up for a life on the road.

Fixed it for you. Also, that may be the funniest thing I have ever read.

LOL! Now THAT I like!

[meanieweenie]

LolaLei wrote...

berelinde wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

Or... he was tired of hustling for coin by washing horses in a thong. With stars in his eyes, one day he said "I'm gonna be somebody!". He put on a skirt, marched up to the Templars and signed up for a life on the road.

Fixed it for you. Also, that may be the funniest thing I have ever read.

LOL! Now THAT I like!

Thanks... I'll be here all week. Be sure to tip your waitress.
berelinde: Thanks for the correction! You can be my beta for my insane ramblings.

[LolaLei]

I like to think that Cullen was left on the steps of the Chantry as a baby/toddler. Maybe his mother was an apostate Mage killed by a Templar who then took him to the Chantry, y'know just to really rub salt into the wound LOL. Man, imagine his reaction upon finding out that he was the son of a Mage killed at the hands of the Templars, he'd totally freak out!

I also kinda like the idea that he was a little bit of a sod in his younger years, running with gangs pick pocketing etc.

Modifié par LolaLei, 18 avril 2012 - 05:22 .

[meanieweenie]

LolaLei wrote...

I like to think that Cullen was left on the steps of the Chantry as a baby/toddler. Maybe his mother was an apostate Mage killed by a Templar who then took him to the Chantry, y'know just to really rub salt into the wound LOL. Man, imagine his reaction upon finding out that he was the son of a Mage killed at the hands of the Templars, he'd totally freak out!

I also kinda like the idea that he was a little bit of a sod in his younger years, running with gangs pick pocketing etc.

Me too. It gives him a bit of an edge. A little more "life experience" before the Order.

[LolaLei]

meanieweenie wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I like to think that Cullen was left on the steps of the Chantry as a baby/toddler. Maybe his mother was an apostate Mage killed by a Templar who then took him to the Chantry, y'know just to really rub salt into the wound LOL. Man, imagine his reaction upon finding out that he was the son of a Mage killed at the hands of the Templars, he'd totally freak out!

I also kinda like the idea that he was a little bit of a sod in his younger years, running with gangs pick pocketing etc.

Me too. It gives him a bit of an edge. A little more "life experience" before the Order.

He seems so... inexperienced though, but it would be a fun surprise.

I suspect they'll run with something really heart breaking for him though, after everything he's been through they seem to want to really want to lay it on thick with this one. Not that I mind at all, Dragon Age is yet to have a character that's seen nothing but tragedy through out his entire life. Fenris came very close but he couldn't remember most of his past prior to getting his Lyrium markings.

[LolaLei]

It would be so bad ass if our PC and companions were strapped for cash at some point so they start debating about what to do for money, then all of a sudden you see Cullen pull some slight of hand trick and steal someone's purse right under their nose, presenting it to the group. Everyone would be like "WTF Cullen?!" all really surprised that Mr law 'n' order just done something dodgy and he'd be like "What? I had to get by some how when I was on the streets!"

Modifié par LolaLei, 18 avril 2012 - 05:44 .

[R2s Muse]

berelinde wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

Or... he was tired of hustling for coin by washing horses in a thong. With stars in his eyes, one day he said "I'm gonna be somebody!". He put on a skirt, marched up to the Templars and signed up for a life on the road.

Fixed it for you. Also, that may be the funniest thing I have ever read.

OMG, second (third?) this!  Someone. Must. Write!

Here's another take on Cullen's entry to the Order that is really beautiful, although it's not necessarily my headcanon. It was one of the top twenty in that recent BW DA:Asunder writing contest. Atonement by suilven

EDIT: Oh, and like the pickpocketing, hardknock life thing, altho they sorta already did that with Duncan's backstory (I've recently learned). But, more experience somehow would be intreresting...

Modifié par R2s Muse, 18 avril 2012 - 05:45 .

[LolaLei]

R2s Muse wrote...

berelinde wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

Or... he was tired of hustling for coin by washing horses in a thong. With stars in his eyes, one day he said "I'm gonna be somebody!". He put on a skirt, marched up to the Templars and signed up for a life on the road.

Fixed it for you. Also, that may be the funniest thing I have ever read.

OMG, second (third?) this!  Someone. Must. Write!

Here's another take on Cullen's entry to the Order that is really beautiful, although it's not necessarily my headcanon. It was one of the top twenty in that recent BW DA:Asunder writing contest. Atonement by suilven

EDIT: Oh, and like the pickpocketing, hardknock life thing, altho they sorta already did that with Duncan's backstory (I've recently learned). But, more experience somehow would be intreresting...

Omg... that was heart breaking, poor little Cullen. Even in fanfic's the guy can't get a break LOL.

[SamaraDraven]

It's funny that the hard-knock-life thing came up. It's something I put in a one of my failed mage!Hake/Cullen fics. In it he learns she's a mage but doesn't arrest her because he learns it due to her saving his ass and the fact that she seems to want to pretend she's a rogue, instead of a mage and then she's hurt and loses consciousness. So when she wakes up at home, she's surprised, but Cullen appears out of the shadows and Leandra invites him to stay for dinner and Carver grills him about the Order. After all this and most of Hawkes' friends are gone, he drops the bomb that he knows about Hawke. They go off to talk outside where he tells her he'll be keeping a close eye on her but his honor won't let him arrest her because she saved his life. She thanks him for sharing stories of Amell from her time at the Circle and then he remarks about family. When Hawke asks about him, he says his earliest memories were of other kids teaching him how to hide from bad men and then how to steal money and food. Hawke's all "No WAY! So how'd you ever get into the Order?" and he tells her that he made the mistake of swiping mincemeat pies from a Chantry kitchen. He got caught and told his restitution would be to serve the Chantry for a time. But he saw the Templars during his time and when he was free to go, he joined them instead.

I'm currently redoing my fic and Hawke won't be in it but I want to keep the vagabond Cullen bit.

I guess great minds think alike? Sorry for the run on. :3

[LolaLei]

SamaraDraven wrote...

It's funny that the hard-knock-life thing came up. It's something I put in a one of my failed mage!Hake/Cullen fics. In it he learns she's a mage but doesn't arrest her because he learns it due to her saving his ass and the fact that she seems to want to pretend she's a rogue, instead of a mage and then she's hurt and loses consciousness. So when she wakes up at home, she's surprised, but Cullen appears out of the shadows and Leandra invites him to stay for dinner and Carver grills him about the Order. After all this and most of Hawkes' friends are gone, he drops the bomb that he knows about Hawke. They go off to talk outside where he tells her he'll be keeping a close eye on her but his honor won't let him arrest her because she saved his life. She thanks him for sharing stories of Amell from her time at the Circle and then he remarks about family. When Hawke asks about him, he says his earliest memories were of other kids teaching him how to hide from bad men and then how to steal money and food. Hawke's all "No WAY! So how'd you ever get into the Order?" and he tells her that he made the mistake of swiping mincemeat pies from a Chantry kitchen. He got caught and told his restitution would be to serve the Chantry for a time. But he saw the Templars during his time and when he was free to go, he joined them instead.

I'm currently redoing my fic and Hawke won't be in it but I want to keep the vagabond Cullen bit.

I guess great minds think alike? Sorry for the run on. :3

I'd like to read that when you're finished.

What do you reckon Bioware will run with back story wise with him? If they bother mentioning it at all I'm expecting it to be a tragic past, especially since David Gaider loves bittersweet lol.

[R2s Muse]

SamaraDraven wrote...

It's funny that the hard-knock-life thing came up. It's something I put in a one of my failed mage!Hake/Cullen fics. In it he learns she's a mage but doesn't arrest her because he learns it due to her saving his ass and the fact that she seems to want to pretend she's a rogue, instead of a mage and then she's hurt and loses consciousness. So when she wakes up at home, she's surprised, but Cullen appears out of the shadows and Leandra invites him to stay for dinner and Carver grills him about the Order. After all this and most of Hawkes' friends are gone, he drops the bomb that he knows about Hawke. They go off to talk outside where he tells her he'll be keeping a close eye on her but his honor won't let him arrest her because she saved his life. She thanks him for sharing stories of Amell from her time at the Circle and then he remarks about family. When Hawke asks about him, he says his earliest memories were of other kids teaching him how to hide from bad men and then how to steal money and food. Hawke's all "No WAY! So how'd you ever get into the Order?" and he tells her that he made the mistake of swiping mincemeat pies from a Chantry kitchen. He got caught and told his restitution would be to serve the Chantry for a time. But he saw the Templars during his time and when he was free to go, he joined them instead.

I'm currently redoing my fic and Hawke won't be in it but I want to keep the vagabond Cullen bit.

I guess great minds think alike? Sorry for the run on. :3

Ooh, I like it. I could see it happening that way. That the supposed jailers morph in his mind to his saviors. Also, templars would just seem so... powerful and cool, I would imagine, to a kid in that situation.

LolaLei wrote...

What do you reckon Bioware will run with back story wise with him? If they bother mentioning it at all I'm expecting it to be a tragic past, especially since David Gaider loves bittersweet lol.

If I had my druthers on his backstory, I suppose I would prefer that he conscientiously chose the Order, approving of its service and mission, than he was somehow... tricked into it. Not sure if that makes sense. I guess I'd like to think that he serves because of his own inner moral compass, and even though he has needed to dial down his fervor over time, he still believes in the Order's core tenets. So, I dunno, for example, being conscripted into it, sorta like Alistair, or being 'traded' by his family, like in that Atonement story, doesn't seem right for him somehow. I prefer him being a more active agent of his own fate; it makes his belief in his duty more sincere somehow.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 18 avril 2012 - 07:15 .

[LolaLei]

Did I imagine it, or does he mention in either DA:O or DA2 about joining the order because he wanted to be a knight or something like that? (I've read so much fanfic recently I've forgotten what actually happens in the game and what doesn't lol.)

[Dunquixote]

LolaLei wrote...

Yeah, considering the idea was supposed to be that neither the Mages or the Templars were ultimately good or bad, but rather shades of grey based on your own opinions and beliefs, but the way in which they executed it made the Templars look like the bad guys. All we saw were Mage's resorting to blood magic etc due to the Templars squeezing too tight and abusing them. Even that Mage who killed Hawke's mother could be sympathised with because he was doing it out of anguish for his lost love, losing her drove him to necromancy which was kinda heart breaking if you think about it deeply enough. The only plight of the Templars we heard about was during that brief conversation with Cullen where he skims over the events he faced in the Broken Circle quest in DA:O. The ratio of sympathetic Templar stories in comparison to the vast number of innocent Mage encounters we faced were out numbered.

The story would have worked better if they had given us more time around the Templars, to witness their daily struggles, see them kill a Mage they were previously friendly with and watch them grief after, experience lyrium withdrawl... perhaps meeting a standed Templar on the Wounded Coast having a major lyrium come down to which we could give him some of our lyrium to help him or leave him to suffer etc. Witnessing Meredith going slowly mad through cinematic cutscenes of Cullen checking in on her throughout the game as she barks out increasingly crazier orders, insulting him about his past when he tries to reason/argue with her and towards the end right before the final battle have him listen through the door as she mumbles incoherrently to herself etc.

It would have been easy enough to do.

Very good idea.  I would've liked that. 

R2s Muse wrote...

VampOrchid wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

VampOrchid wrote...



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SamaraDraven wrote...

Dunquixote wrote...

Awesome
thanks! I'm sorry for continuously asking or saying stuff about my fan
fic like -- I just posted another or asking something not related to
Cullen. I've just been really excited about writing it and talking to
everyone, that I might've overdone the questions and fan fic talk first
time or not . I just worry about plagiarism even though I'm posting
them for enjoyment and not for money. >< I

We all
are taking the copyright risk when we make fic. Thankfully, it's
usually not enough of a concern for the license holders to come after us
for it. If you're quoting the character's dialogue from the game, or
book or whatever, in your fic, that's fine. There are sooooo many fics
that are retellings of the games that use dialogue verbatim. If yo want
to quote another person's fictional dialogue from a story they wrote,
it's considered polite to ask permission from the author first.
Technically they don't have any legal right to make you stop but it's
just very rude and othe fans will rally to that person's cause and make
you want to take it down. There's even a livejournal community called
stop plaigarism that devotes itself to investigating reports of literary
theft and they have a list of know plaigarists to boot! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

And don't worry about asking. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't mind. Being excited about Cullen and fic is good! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

 Thanks!  That makes sense and makes me feel better.

[Dunquixote]

LolaLei wrote...

Ok, here's a new question for you all:

If Bioware were to go back to their DA:O roots and give us the opportunity to asks our companions questions about their lives growing up, what back story do you think they'll give Cullen? Do you think he was orphan, taken to the Chantry as a baby/youngster? Did he have a happy upbringing with a noble family and joined the Templars when he came of age? Did he join the Templars to escape a life of petty crime? Did he join to escape an unhappy home life? Etc.

What's become your canon story regarding Cullen's life before joining the Templar order?

I think he was a orphan.  I liked part of the idea of this one fan fic writer's idea of him ending up being Greagoir's son.