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[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

I'm wondering if she's gonna end up getting killed off in DA3, especially if that leaked survey is real.

Well if the survey is correct I'd almost guarantee it. In that scenario you'd basically have someone similar to Seneschal Varel sort of helping you along but ultimately leaving the large decisions the Inquisition took up to you and your companions. In that scenario it wouldn't be to hard to imagine that you shape how the order is percieved. Either a pro-Chantry force, a pro-Mage, pro-Templar or maybe even just turn it into an information/spy service. It would certainly make Cassandra or maybe even Cullen do an Alistair and seek revenge.

If not then she might die simply out of plot consequence.

[brushyourteeth]

R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

I'll have to go read that part again to really recall why I thought that. I liked her and what she was trying to do. But that scene where they all go see her together... I was kinda surprised at how, I dunno, not on their side, she seemed. Not sure if that makes sense. I mean, I wasn't expecting hugs and kisses, but as I was reading it, I sorta worried that she'd like, allow them to be thrown in the dungeon or something. I'll have to go back...

Was that the scene in the Grand Cathedral where she scolded Wynne for sending the message to the Circles (secretly on her orders, but she had to seem like she disapproved), approved the enchanters' conclave, and then made the pro-mage speech that made Adrian cry?

LOL yes... 

Edit: you know... Maybe it was the scolding. I've still only read the whole thing through the one time. So I probably didn't know yet that it was on her orders. Or did I at that point? Anyhoo, I guess I expected some more overt support from her. She was very poker face. Again, I'll have to go read it again.

Yeah, Wynne and Rhys have this conversation about how she's really stepped in it by alerting all the Circles, and Wynnne just laughs at him and essentially says "Oh, my dear boy. Of course you wouldn't know. It's the Divine who told me to alert the Circles under Lambert's nose!"

Which reminds me -- Justinia has one of those communication stones that all the First Enchanters also have, and the Seekers don't know a thing about it. Has she been communicating with them on the sly? Making promises? Forming alliances? Hmm...

That almost makes me want to write my first fanfic.

[LolaLei]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I'm wondering if she's gonna end up getting killed off in DA3, especially if that leaked survey is real.

Well if the survey is correct I'd almost guarantee it. In that scenario you'd basically have someone similar to Seneschal Varel sort of helping you along but ultimately leaving the large decisions the Inquisition took up to you and your companions. In that scenario it wouldn't be to hard to imagine that you shape how the order is percieved. Either a pro-Chantry force, a pro-Mage, pro-Templar or maybe even just turn it into an information/spy service. It would certainly make Cassandra or maybe even Cullen do an Alistair and seek revenge.

If not then she might die simply out of plot consequence.

Regarding the survey leak, my theory is that the only reason the Inquisition forms is because during the peace gathering blast, the Divine gets killed during it, calling for drastic action amongst the remaining survivors.

I mean, it could actually turn out that the new inquistion is initally required to hunt mages, simply because the automatic reaction would be to blame magic due to Anders little stunt back in Kirkwall... of course, as you investigate it turns out that the mages are innocent and there's some much bigger "pulling of strings" going on, which is where you'd get to reform the new Inquisition into whatever you want (be it pro-mage/pro-templar/neutral/whatever.)

[brushyourteeth]

LolaLei wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I'm wondering if she's gonna end up getting killed off in DA3, especially if that leaked survey is real.

Well if the survey is correct I'd almost guarantee it. In that scenario you'd basically have someone similar to Seneschal Varel sort of helping you along but ultimately leaving the large decisions the Inquisition took up to you and your companions. In that scenario it wouldn't be to hard to imagine that you shape how the order is percieved. Either a pro-Chantry force, a pro-Mage, pro-Templar or maybe even just turn it into an information/spy service. It would certainly make Cassandra or maybe even Cullen do an Alistair and seek revenge.

If not then she might die simply out of plot consequence.

Regarding the survey leak, my theory is that the only reason the Inquisition forms is because during the peace gathering blast, the Divine gets killed during it, calling for drastic action amongst the remaining survivors.

I mean, it could actually turn out that the new inquistion is initally required to hunt mages, simply because the automatic reaction would be to blame magic due to Anders little stunt back in Kirkwall... of course, as you investigate it turns out that the mages are innocent and there's some much bigger "pulling of strings" going on, which is where you'd get to reform the new Inquisition into whatever you want (be it pro-mage/pro-templar/neutral/whatever.)

That would ****** Leliana off so bad.
Actually, I'd kind of like to see that!

In chapter 2 (only chapter 2!) of Asunder, a mage is already trying to kill the Divine at an Orlesian ball. So yeah, I'd say Anders isn't the only mage with the gumption to kamikaze-attack the Chantry nowadays. Not by a long shot.

[LolaLei]

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I'm wondering if she's gonna end up getting killed off in DA3, especially if that leaked survey is real.

Well if the survey is correct I'd almost guarantee it. In that scenario you'd basically have someone similar to Seneschal Varel sort of helping you along but ultimately leaving the large decisions the Inquisition took up to you and your companions. In that scenario it wouldn't be to hard to imagine that you shape how the order is percieved. Either a pro-Chantry force, a pro-Mage, pro-Templar or maybe even just turn it into an information/spy service. It would certainly make Cassandra or maybe even Cullen do an Alistair and seek revenge.

If not then she might die simply out of plot consequence.

Regarding the survey leak, my theory is that the only reason the Inquisition forms is because during the peace gathering blast, the Divine gets killed during it, calling for drastic action amongst the remaining survivors.

I mean, it could actually turn out that the new inquistion is initally required to hunt mages, simply because the automatic reaction would be to blame magic due to Anders little stunt back in Kirkwall... of course, as you investigate it turns out that the mages are innocent and there's some much bigger "pulling of strings" going on, which is where you'd get to reform the new Inquisition into whatever you want (be it pro-mage/pro-templar/neutral/whatever.)

That would ****** Leliana off so bad.
Actually, I'd kind of like to see that!

In chapter 2 (only chapter 2!) of Asunder, a mage is already trying to kill the Divine at an Orlesian ball. So yeah, I'd say Anders isn't the only mage with the gumption to kamikaze-attack the Chantry nowadays. Not by a long shot.

What if the Divine got killed off later in the game, bu Adrian? Like, she decides that the Divine needs die, despite her being sympathetic to mages, simply to ensure that mages get complete freedom with no compromise. That would be something, wouldn't it!

I'm wondering if Adrian will turn up in Anders cameo, working closely with him - possibly in a relationship with him if your Hawke didn't romance him.  

[brushyourteeth]

LolaLei wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

In chapter 2 (only chapter 2!) of Asunder, a mage is already trying to kill the Divine at an Orlesian ball. So yeah, I'd say Anders isn't the only mage with the gumption to kamikaze-attack the Chantry nowadays. Not by a long shot.

What if the Divine got killed off later in the game, bu Adrian? Like, she decides that the Divine needs die, despite her being sympathetic to mages, simply to ensure that mages get complete freedom with no compromise. That would be something, wouldn't it!

I'm wondering if Adrian will turn up in Anders cameo, working closely with him - possibly in a relationship with him if your Hawke didn't romance him.  

I could absolutely see Adrian doing that. She's pretty "any means to an end." Including lying to the mage council or backstabbing her friends.

For some reason I have a hard time imagining Anders and Adrian getting along, and I don't even know why. Their goals are a lot alike. Maybe they'd hit it off really early and then Anders would freak out when he saw her using blood magic (it's only a matter of time).

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I'm wondering if she's gonna end up getting killed off in DA3, especially if that leaked survey is real.

Well if the survey is correct I'd almost guarantee it. In that scenario you'd basically have someone similar to Seneschal Varel sort of helping you along but ultimately leaving the large decisions the Inquisition took up to you and your companions. In that scenario it wouldn't be to hard to imagine that you shape how the order is percieved. Either a pro-Chantry force, a pro-Mage, pro-Templar or maybe even just turn it into an information/spy service. It would certainly make Cassandra or maybe even Cullen do an Alistair and seek revenge.

If not then she might die simply out of plot consequence.

Regarding the survey leak, my theory is that the only reason the Inquisition forms is because during the peace gathering blast, the Divine gets killed during it, calling for drastic action amongst the remaining survivors.

I mean, it could actually turn out that the new inquistion is initally required to hunt mages, simply because the automatic reaction would be to blame magic due to Anders little stunt back in Kirkwall... of course, as you investigate it turns out that the mages are innocent and there's some much bigger "pulling of strings" going on, which is where you'd get to reform the new Inquisition into whatever you want (be it pro-mage/pro-templar/neutral/whatever.)

Yeah I think the Inquisitor is something of a reactionary figure similar to the Warden and Hawke who is just sort of in the right place at the wrong time. Maybe similar to the Warden prologue you're recognized as a powerful character and similar to the Deep Roads Expedition you've been forced into servitude somehow (as to avoid the Pro-chantry thingfrom the beggining) and depending on whether you are for or against you take it as a curse or just another job.

From there on Cassandra or Cullen (who knows) could introduce the PC to the Divine's inner workings and explain the whole situation of the mage-templar war (a review for new players and a little bit of new information for the old players) thus giving us an explanation of why a peace treaty is going on.

The meeting occurs with the two sides arguing and the Divine moderating when the explosion occurs killing dozens. If the two groups survive though than both sides will blame the other, if only a handful of people survive then they will likely either wonder who did it following some obscure clue that comes from some guy rumored to know who is behind the plot or they chase the only person missing after the blast...or who seemed extra maniacle. 

Thus begins the awesome adventure that forces the player to discover who is behind the threat. During their travels they determine the future of the Inquisition, either returning it to the days of it's namesake, turning into a spy network/secret shadow government or maybe even making it a peace keeping force of sorts.

Edit: Not that I've thought about it or nothin... 

Modifié par Danny Boy 7, 30 septembre 2012 - 01:48 .

[berelinde]

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

In chapter 2 (only chapter 2!) of Asunder, a mage is already trying to kill the Divine at an Orlesian ball. So yeah, I'd say Anders isn't the only mage with the gumption to kamikaze-attack the Chantry nowadays. Not by a long shot.

What if the Divine got killed off later in the game, bu Adrian? Like, she decides that the Divine needs die, despite her being sympathetic to mages, simply to ensure that mages get complete freedom with no compromise. That would be something, wouldn't it!

I'm wondering if Adrian will turn up in Anders cameo, working closely with him - possibly in a relationship with him if your Hawke didn't romance him.  

I could absolutely see Adrian doing that. She's pretty "any means to an end." Including lying to the mage council or backstabbing her friends.

For some reason I have a hard time imagining Anders and Adrian getting along, and I don't even know why. Their goals are a lot alike. Maybe they'd hit it off really early and then Anders would freak out when he saw her using blood magic (it's only a matter of time).

Yeah, I'm not seeing Anders and Adrian as a likely couple, either, despite the similarity of their goals. I'd put it more on Anders's end than Adrian's. The only reason he and Hawke wound up together is because Hawke saw him lose control twice and didn't turn him away. Now that he's more at peace with Justice (which he would have to be if he survived the final battle and did not commit suicide), he wouldn't be losing control anymore. He'd probably be too focused to initiate a romance if he wasn't already in one. And I imagine that Adrian's capricious nature would turn Justice off bigtime.

[LolaLei]

berelinde wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

In chapter 2 (only chapter 2!) of Asunder, a mage is already trying to kill the Divine at an Orlesian ball. So yeah, I'd say Anders isn't the only mage with the gumption to kamikaze-attack the Chantry nowadays. Not by a long shot.

What if the Divine got killed off later in the game, bu Adrian? Like, she decides that the Divine needs die, despite her being sympathetic to mages, simply to ensure that mages get complete freedom with no compromise. That would be something, wouldn't it!

I'm wondering if Adrian will turn up in Anders cameo, working closely with him - possibly in a relationship with him if your Hawke didn't romance him.  

I could absolutely see Adrian doing that. She's pretty "any means to an end." Including lying to the mage council or backstabbing her friends.

For some reason I have a hard time imagining Anders and Adrian getting along, and I don't even know why. Their goals are a lot alike. Maybe they'd hit it off really early and then Anders would freak out when he saw her using blood magic (it's only a matter of time).

Yeah, I'm not seeing Anders and Adrian as a likely couple, either, despite the similarity of their goals. I'd put it more on Anders's end than Adrian's. The only reason he and Hawke wound up together is because Hawke saw him lose control twice and didn't turn him away. Now that he's more at peace with Justice (which he would have to be if he survived the final battle and did not commit suicide), he wouldn't be losing control anymore. He'd probably be too focused to initiate a romance if he wasn't already in one. And I imagine that Adrian's capricious nature would turn Justice off bigtime.

True, but I was thinking along the lines of Bioware wanting to troll fans. I wouldn't put anything past them LOL. 

[LolaLei]

I reckon DA3 is going to be full of angst and gut wrenching moments. From the little hints they give on Twitter and how ME3 managed to pull in the tears, I reckon they'll be upping the emotional hooliganism this time round lol.

[Danny Boy 7]

berelinde wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

In chapter 2 (only chapter 2!) of Asunder, a mage is already trying to kill the Divine at an Orlesian ball. So yeah, I'd say Anders isn't the only mage with the gumption to kamikaze-attack the Chantry nowadays. Not by a long shot.

What if the Divine got killed off later in the game, bu Adrian? Like, she decides that the Divine needs die, despite her being sympathetic to mages, simply to ensure that mages get complete freedom with no compromise. That would be something, wouldn't it!

I'm wondering if Adrian will turn up in Anders cameo, working closely with him - possibly in a relationship with him if your Hawke didn't romance him.  

I could absolutely see Adrian doing that. She's pretty "any means to an end." Including lying to the mage council or backstabbing her friends.

For some reason I have a hard time imagining Anders and Adrian getting along, and I don't even know why. Their goals are a lot alike. Maybe they'd hit it off really early and then Anders would freak out when he saw her using blood magic (it's only a matter of time).

Yeah, I'm not seeing Anders and Adrian as a likely couple, either, despite the similarity of their goals. I'd put it more on Anders's end than Adrian's. The only reason he and Hawke wound up together is because Hawke saw him lose control twice and didn't turn him away. Now that he's more at peace with Justice (which he would have to be if he survived the final battle and did not commit suicide), he wouldn't be losing control anymore. He'd probably be too focused to initiate a romance if he wasn't already in one. And I imagine that Adrian's capricious nature would turn Justice off bigtime.

Anders 'splodin is still one of my favorite scenes. Justice is awesome, if a little bit of an ass by the end. Anyway I have to agree with berelinde in that I think that Anders and Hawke only hooked up due to Hawke being the first person to not freak out regarding his abomination status. I also think a big part of the relationship has something to do with the time spent inbetween. Even though Anders clearly had a lot of time to think about his mission he also had a bit of leisure time where he could properly get to know and grow fond of Hawke.

[LolaLei]

Shame we didn't get to see it lol.

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

I reckon DA3 is going to be full of angst and gut wrenching moments. From the little hints they give on Twitter and how ME3 managed to pull in the tears, I reckon they'll be upping the emotional hooliganism this time round lol.

Maybe they'll make us choose between companions again like they did in the original Mass Effect, except maybe it's between two generally liked characters. Varric and...er Aveline I guess or Alistair and Morrigan. It'd obviously be harder for some people than others since you can't always be sure who resonates with the players.

I tend to think though that it's harder to choose between people you hate. Maybe this guy really irritates you with his constant superiority complex/sexism but maybe this other character is just an ass who gets on your nerves. I mean (not that I hated these characters) but I think it was pretty hard for SOME to choose between Sebastian and Anders. I chose Anders but wasn't completely mad at Sebastian and was letting Anders live to be a sort of punishement because I thought he should live with his guilt.

[LolaLei]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I reckon DA3 is going to be full of angst and gut wrenching moments. From the little hints they give on Twitter and how ME3 managed to pull in the tears, I reckon they'll be upping the emotional hooliganism this time round lol.

Maybe they'll make us choose between companions again like they did in the original Mass Effect, except maybe it's between two generally liked characters. Varric and...er Aveline I guess or Alistair and Morrigan. It'd obviously be harder for some people than others since you can't always be sure who resonates with the players.

I tend to think though that it's harder to choose between people you hate. Maybe this guy really irritates you with his constant superiority complex/sexism but maybe this other character is just an ass who gets on your nerves. I mean (not that I hated these characters) but I think it was pretty hard for SOME to choose between Sebastian and Anders. I chose Anders but wasn't completely mad at Sebastian and was letting Anders live to be a sort of punishement because I thought he should live with his guilt.

Not gonna lie, I'd be gutted if we had to kill off some of the past companions. 

I do wonder what kind of punches they plan to pull, like who they'll kill off, what our protagonists backstory is, who's gonna die in the opening sequence etc.

[brushyourteeth]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

The meeting occurs with the two sides arguing and the Divine moderating when the explosion occurs killing dozens. If the two groups survive though than both sides will blame the other, if only a handful of people survive then they will likely either wonder who did it following some obscure clue that comes from some guy rumored to know who is behind the plot or they chase the only person missing after the blast...or who seemed extra maniacle. 

So, I really like this as a game beginning idea!

It could be a lot like how Skyrim begins, but fleshed out in a much deeper way.

You'd have this meeting of sides, a catastrophe, and in the chaos following you basically escape with NPC A if you're pro-Templar or escape with NPC B if you're pro-mage. I like it!

And then maybe you'd found the Inquisition yourself and look into setting things to rights on your own terms. Hmm...

berelinde wrote...
I imagine that Adrian's capricious nature would turn Justice off bigtime.

That was the perfect way of saying what I had no idea how to describe. Nice one! 

[LolaLei]

Something similar happens in The Witcher 2, where you have a split second who to help in a fight. Depending on who you pick completely changes the second part of the game.

[LolaLei]

Maaaaaaaaaaan, I wish they'd release some more details now. The DA3 forum is just the same old sh!t going round and round.

[kellyofthemagi]

Hiya I just popped in to say hi to everyone and see if I saw anything new.

[littlenikki]

LolaLei wrote...

Maaaaaaaaaaan, I wish they'd release some more details now. The DA3 forum is just the same old sh!t going round and round.

So uh...that Cullen guy...he's pretty neat, huh?  Just curious, though I'm sure this question has be posed before. If given the choice, how many of you would rivalmance Cullen? I'd hate for a rehash of the Fenris/Mage relationship where he pretty much says how much he hates your kind the entire game, yet is not above jumping inbetween the sheets (and yet I do this romance ALL the time with my mage) Like, maybe if you play your character as a total tyrant against all mages, Cullen doesn't agree with it, yet he stands behind the PC and even loves them for their passion, or whatever. Thoughts? Feelings? Pitchforks?

[kellyofthemagi]

littlenikki wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Maaaaaaaaaaan, I wish they'd release some more details now. The DA3 forum is just the same old sh!t going round and round.

So uh...that Cullen guy...he's pretty neat, huh?  Just curious, though I'm sure this question has be posed before. If given the choice, how many of you would rivalmance Cullen? I'd hate for a rehash of the Fenris/Mage relationship where he pretty much says how much he hates your kind the entire game, yet is not above jumping inbetween the sheets (and yet I do this romance ALL the time with my mage) Like, maybe if you play your character as a total tyrant against all mages, Cullen doesn't agree with it, yet he stands behind the PC and even loves them for their passion, or whatever. Thoughts? Feelings? Pitchforks?

 Oh Hell Yah I'd rivalmance him I'd romance him in any form they gave us. As far as Fenis mance mehhhh didn't care for him. I did a fen/mance not my fav for sure though. I actually want to play different routes to see the differences with Cullen or maybe even who ever else the give us thats the fun of the rpgs.

[berelinde]

littlenikki wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Maaaaaaaaaaan, I wish they'd release some more details now. The DA3 forum is just the same old sh!t going round and round.

So uh...that Cullen guy...he's pretty neat, huh?  Just curious, though I'm sure this question has be posed before. If given the choice, how many of you would rivalmance Cullen? I'd hate for a rehash of the Fenris/Mage relationship where he pretty much says how much he hates your kind the entire game, yet is not above jumping inbetween the sheets (and yet I do this romance ALL the time with my mage) Like, maybe if you play your character as a total tyrant against all mages, Cullen doesn't agree with it, yet he stands behind the PC and even loves them for their passion, or whatever. Thoughts? Feelings? Pitchforks?

If they did include rivalmances, I would probably do them. Whether I did one with Cullen would depend on how he was written. If he still had issues with mages, it would probably be a rivalmance or no romance at all, but if he were more moderate, I might do it both ways to see which I prefered. 

[littlenikki]

I'd probably have to do a Friendship romance first. I still have a hell of a time trying to rivalmance Anders...I can't help it, I just like the guy. I love it when he gets all V for Vendetta on me

Modifié par littlenikki, 30 septembre 2012 - 03:43 .

[LolaLei]

Well, I plan to play a mage protagonist first so if he is a romancable companion there's a chance that he'd refuse to date my character at all... or it could possibly end badly for them lol. However, if he's willing to date a mage then I'd do a friendmance first, then do a rivalmance on another playthrough.

[littlenikki]

LolaLei wrote...

Well, I plan to play a mage protagonist first so if he is a romancable companion there's a chance that he'd refuse to date my character at all... or it could possibly end badly for them lol. However, if he's willing to date a mage then I'd do a friendmance first, then do a rivalmance on another playthrough.

I doubt being a mage would limit the choice of a romance, though the result of it might differ as you've said. Especially if they're planning on putting more emphasis on your class storywise. I usually play rogues, but I might be tempted to try a mage first if it adds some exclusive dialogue with a Cullen centric relationship.

[LolaLei]

littlenikki wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Well, I plan to play a mage protagonist first so if he is a romancable companion there's a chance that he'd refuse to date my character at all... or it could possibly end badly for them lol. However, if he's willing to date a mage then I'd do a friendmance first, then do a rivalmance on another playthrough.

I doubt being a mage would limit the choice of a romance, though the result of it might differ as you've said. Especially if they're planning on putting more emphasis on your class storywise. I usually play rogues, but I might be tempted to try a mage first if it adds some exclusive dialogue with a Cullen centric relationship.

I'm trying to prepare myself for disappointment, just in case he refuses to date one lol.