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[Danny Boy 7]

R2s Muse wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Avejajed wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Y'know, this makes me wonder if Merrill and her mirror is actually more important than we thought. Perhaps, it'll play a part in DA3 in some way?

Merrill and her mirror can go suck it.

LOL I always rival Merrill too, since I just can't abide her mirror nonsense. I think she's cute as a button, but dumb as a stump for continuing on that path. So I can never friend her; just never feels natural. But, I also never use her, either.

I'm hoping the mirror is busted for good. I don't think it's a big player in the DA-verse. I think it's just a player in Merril's personal story, and so it showed up in DA2 because she did.

I think there might be something to the mirrors, but I don't think they'll be the numero uno plot device. I do think there's more to learn about them and just what they connect to, though. Especially seeing what happened in the Dalish Elf Origin, the Witch Hunt DLC, and of course Merrill's personal quest.

If anyone or any object we've seen so far will be the big plot device, though, it will definitely be Flemith... which I'm totally okay with, because I adore that woman. 

/slightly off the Cullen topic

Good point. The mirrors in general could be included, particularly... dun dun dun ... where they lead to. If the OGB plotline shows up at all, I suppose they could touch on that.  And, Flemeth, I would never bet against her showing up again. Yup. Her and then Sandal & Bodahn, I think will be there for sure.

Yeah those three characters are really what ties the games together imo.

[R2s Muse]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

We all feel he will be, though I think he will be number three or four at most in story significance.

An example of my rating system.

1. Alistair
2. Morrigan
3. Leliana
4. Zevran
5. Wynne
6. Oghren
7. Shale
8. Sten
9. Dog

And even in that example things tend to taper off after Wynne since she has an actual effect on the game after she is recruited though in that case I may have to switch Shale with Oghren, but he also shows up in the expansion so meh.

Interesting ! So, on the Danny Boy Scale of Plot Importantness, I think I would go so far as to posit him as high as a #2, after a #1 like Cassandra. If we're doing templar-mage-chantry-ish things, I see him not necessarily  being a central player in the plot, so I don't see his actions determining the course of DA3. But I would imagine that his personal storyline and how he joins you would be a part of that big story arc,

And, I agree, I'd probably say that after 4 or 5, Importantness becomes almost negligible. In fact... I'd even put Leliana lower. We find out she's important in the  big scheme of things in Val Royeaux... but was she really important to anything in DA:O (besides be crazy and then try to kill you if you defile the ashes)?  At least Zev had a role in the Loghain must destroy the GW's plot.

edit: So  how would rank the DA2 characters in Plot Importantness? (and yes, I know importantness isn't a word...)

Modifié par R2s Muse, 03 octobre 2012 - 12:04 .

[berelinde]

R2s Muse wrote...

Avejajed wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Y'know, this makes me wonder if Merrill and her mirror is actually more important than we thought. Perhaps, it'll play a part in DA3 in some way?

Merrill and her mirror can go suck it.

LOL I always rival Merrill too, since I just can't abide her mirror nonsense. I think she's cute as a button, but dumb as a stump for continuing on that path. So I can never friend her; just never feels natural. But, I also never use her, either.

I'm hoping the mirror is busted for good. I don't think it's a big player in the DA-verse. I think it's just a player in Merril's personal story, and so it showed up in DA2 because she did.

I go either way on rivaling Merrill. It feels like kicking a puppy, but it really is for her own good. Most of my Hawkes rivaled her, but  my "canon" Hawke, the one I'll be using for my imports, friended her. I justify it by saying that his conscience got the better of his common sense. He never told anyone but Anders, but he was a blood mage himself. He never used the specialization, never even putting one point into it, but he knew that he had the potential and felt that he would have to be a big fat hypocrite for blaming Merrill for giving in to a temptation that would have been hard for him, too... had he been interested in elven mirrors. And really, what was she asking for? A woodworking tool. He probably wondered what was so special about the tool that it should be treated with almost religious reverence and that only one should be possessed by the entire clan (he considers it akin to the concept of Lothering with only one hammer in the entire village), but taken by itself, it is an innocuous request. If the Maker wills that Merrill finish her mirror, contrariness on his part will not prevent her from doing so. (I don't *always* play heathens.)

[LolaLei]

For important-ness in DA2 I'd say it's the following:

1. Anders - For obvious reasons
2. Varric - since he's the narrator
3. Isabela - The book of Qun stealing
4. Merrill
5. Fenris
6. Sebastian
7. Dog

Of course, that's just for the DA2 plot. It could turn out that Merrill and Seb are far more important than we initially thought, I'm regards to the DA3 plot.

[berelinde]

Somebody on the DA3 Meme thread posted a meme "What if I told you that there's a templar in DA3, but it isn't Cullen? It's Carroll." To my surprise, I find that I would probably be OK with that. Yeah, I'd be annoyed because Cullen had so much potential, but Carroll wasn't *horrible* as a character. He was kind of funny, in fact.

[Dirgegun]

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

We all feel he will be, though I think he will be number three or four at most in story significance.

An example of my rating system.

1. Alistair
2. Morrigan
3. Leliana
4. Zevran
5. Wynne
6. Oghren
7. Shale
8. Sten
9. Dog

And even in that example things tend to taper off after Wynne since she has an actual effect on the game after she is recruited though in that case I may have to switch Shale with Oghren, but he also shows up in the expansion so meh.

Interesting ! So, on the Danny Boy Scale of Plot Importantness, I think I would go so far as to posit him as high as a #2, after a #1 like Cassandra. If we're doing templar-mage-chantry-ish things, I see him not necessarily  being a central player in the plot, so I don't see his actions determining the course of DA3. But I would imagine that his personal storyline and how he joins you would be a part of that big story arc,

And, I agree, I'd probably say that after 4 or 5, Importantness becomes almost negligible. In fact... I'd even put Leliana lower. We find out she's important in the  big scheme of things in Val Royeaux... but was she really important to anything in DA:O (besides be crazy and then try to kill you if you defile the ashes)?  At least Zev had a role in the Loghain must destroy the GW's plot.

edit: So  how would rank the DA2 characters in Plot Importantness? (and yes, I know importantness isn't a word...)

How I would personally rate the DAII characters?

1. Anders
2. Varric
2. Isabela
3. Merrill
4. Aveline
5. Fenris
6. Sebastian

....Eh... Aveline and Merrill might be subject to being switched. but Fenris, sadly, really didn't have much hold on the actual plot. Anders created the big boom, Isabela stole the Qunari book, and our favourite dwarf rogue told Hawke's story.

Edit: And I totally forgot Sebastian for a second so that says something...

Modifié par Dirgegun, 03 octobre 2012 - 12:23 .

[Dirgegun]

berelinde wrote...

Somebody on the DA3 Meme thread posted a meme "What if I told you that there's a templar in DA3, but it isn't Cullen? It's Carroll." To my surprise, I find that I would probably be OK with that. Yeah, I'd be annoyed because Cullen had so much potential, but Carroll wasn't *horrible* as a character. He was kind of funny, in fact.

I quite liked Carroll so I wouldn't really rage. I would be disappointed that there's no Cullen, but if it's Carroll... I would want to cure the poor sod of his lyrium addiction some how. 

[berelinde]

Rating the DA2 characters in terms of plot relevance?
1. Anders
2. Varric
3. Isabela
4. Merrill
5. Aveline (only because of her involvement with the vidithari elves)
6. Sebastian (only because of his Last Straw demand)
7. Fenris

It's no lack of affection for Fenris, but he is very self-contained and doesn't really impact the events of the game at all.

[Danny Boy 7]

berelinde wrote...

Rating the DA2 characters in terms of plot relevance?
1. Anders
2. Varric
3. Isabela
4. Merrill
5. Aveline (only because of her involvement with the vidithari elves)
6. Sebastian (only because of his Last Straw demand)
7. Fenris

It's no lack of affection for Fenris, but he is very self-contained and doesn't really impact the events of the game at all.

Basically this...

1. Anders
2. Varric
3. Isabela
4. Merrill
5. Aveline
6. Sebastian (Might switch him with the twins) 
7. Carver/Bethany (These guys are above Fenris in that they are somewhat redeemed in Legacy and other quests where they are kidnapped or challenged as in the Last Straw)
8. Fenris (Besides his recruitment he really has no affect on the plot except as the anti-Anders and to allow for the duel with the Arishok if you didn't get the worthy rival thing)
9. Dog

[Danny Boy 7]

berelinde wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Avejajed wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Y'know, this makes me wonder if Merrill and her mirror is actually more important than we thought. Perhaps, it'll play a part in DA3 in some way?

Merrill and her mirror can go suck it.

LOL I always rival Merrill too, since I just can't abide her mirror nonsense. I think she's cute as a button, but dumb as a stump for continuing on that path. So I can never friend her; just never feels natural. But, I also never use her, either.

I'm hoping the mirror is busted for good. I don't think it's a big player in the DA-verse. I think it's just a player in Merril's personal story, and so it showed up in DA2 because she did.

I go either way on rivaling Merrill. It feels like kicking a puppy, but it really is for her own good. Most of my Hawkes rivaled her, but  my "canon" Hawke, the one I'll be using for my imports, friended her. I justify it by saying that his conscience got the better of his common sense. He never told anyone but Anders, but he was a blood mage himself. He never used the specialization, never even putting one point into it, but he knew that he had the potential and felt that he would have to be a big fat hypocrite for blaming Merrill for giving in to a temptation that would have been hard for him, too... had he been interested in elven mirrors. And really, what was she asking for? A woodworking tool. He probably wondered what was so special about the tool that it should be treated with almost religious reverence and that only one should be possessed by the entire clan (he considers it akin to the concept of Lothering with only one hammer in the entire village), but taken by itself, it is an innocuous request. If the Maker wills that Merrill finish her mirror, contrariness on his part will not prevent her from doing so. (I don't *always* play heathens.)

I might have to wait until DA 3 comes out and we get the strategy guide to see how certain events effect the game. I now it's cheating, but I'd like to find out how it effects the game. If I like one option over the other then that'll be my canon, but until then I think I'll rival her as it seems the best thing to do for her.

My canon Hawke is a blood mage to so I can't really fault her for using it, though I think he can still dissaprove similar to how a parent might dissaprove of their child getting into the same work as them or something. I might be using it but it's so she doesn't have to. I mean I won't mention it while she's around but when Marethari mentions it I might keep it from her in order to keep her safe since I think of her as the naive little sister.

[Dirgegun]

charlottecorday wrote...

You never know, maybe dog will have his day in DA3 and be an integral part of the plot. :-p

I feel both my Warden and Hawke would argue that dog was very important, but they're both very Ferelden...

[Danny Boy 7]

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

We all feel he will be, though I think he will be number three or four at most in story significance.

An example of my rating system.

1. Alistair
2. Morrigan
3. Leliana
4. Zevran
5. Wynne
6. Oghren
7. Shale
8. Sten
9. Dog

And even in that example things tend to taper off after Wynne since she has an actual effect on the game after she is recruited though in that case I may have to switch Shale with Oghren, but he also shows up in the expansion so meh.

Interesting ! So, on the Danny Boy Scale of Plot Importantness, I think I would go so far as to posit him as high as a #2, after a #1 like Cassandra. If we're doing templar-mage-chantry-ish things, I see him not necessarily  being a central player in the plot, so I don't see his actions determining the course of DA3. But I would imagine that his personal storyline and how he joins you would be a part of that big story arc,

And, I agree, I'd probably say that after 4 or 5, Importantness becomes almost negligible. In fact... I'd even put Leliana lower. We find out she's important in the  big scheme of things in Val Royeaux... but was she really important to anything in DA:O (besides be crazy and then try to kill you if you defile the ashes)?  At least Zev had a role in the Loghain must destroy the GW's plot.

edit: So  how would rank the DA2 characters in Plot Importantness? (and yes, I know importantness isn't a word...)

I tend to put a companion high if it has the romance option, but like in my DA2 list it changes if they are self-involved. I mean Fenris' involvement with the Qunari is so miniscule that you can miss it and don't even really need him when you're involved with the Arishok and the duel. Leliana has the added bonus of singing in camp/being somewhat involved with the Dalish quest, while Zevran post recruitement tapers off and doesn't really involve himself in the plot so he is below Leliana but only slightly in my list.

[Danny Boy 7]

Dirgegun wrote...

charlottecorday wrote...

You never know, maybe dog will have his day in DA3 and be an integral part of the plot. :-p

I feel both my Warden and Hawke would argue that dog was very important, but they're both very Ferelden...

Yeah lol I was tempted to put Dog above Sten because I play a Human Noble and he shows up in Witch Hunt, but I realized that he can be completely missing in Origins.

[Danny Boy 7]

You know I was reading a list of the VA's for Origins and 2 and I was thinking out of this list who do you guys think will show up? I know Bioware recycles VA's but they aren't against getting new actors. I tend to think Kari Walhgren will show up as Sera and Fred Tatasciore as the Iron Bull.

http://dragonage.wik...t_(voice_actors)

[Parmida]

Cullen romance will be like this...

[Dirgegun]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

You know I was reading a list of the VA's for Origins and 2 and I was thinking out of this list who do you guys think will show up? I know Bioware recycles VA's but they aren't against getting new actors. I tend to think Kari Walhgren will show up as Sera and Fred Tatasciore as the Iron Bull.

http://dragonage.wik...t_(voice_actors)

Oh, interesting question!

I think some would only make a return if their character makes a return. Steve Valentine has a very distinctive voice for instance and it would be damn trippy to hear him voice anyone but Alistair.

I would love to see Tim Curry back doing someone else... because Tim Goddamn Curry. 

I feel Steve Blum will be back for sure because Steve Blum voices everyone. XD;

...I really, really, really want to see Troy Baker do some voice work for Dragon Age, because holy smokes do I love that man's voice. 

[Dirgegun]

....I wouldn't object to David Hayter or Mark Bazeley doing voice work for Dragon Age either, but maybe I've just been enjoying my Jedi Knight and Sith Warrior a little too much...

Edit: I would rather like to see Zoe Wanamaker do a voice for Dragon Age too, unless she has a contract with Lion Head Studios or something. I personally love her voice work as Theresa from the Fable series.

Also Stephen Fry. I love that man. X3; 

Modifié par Dirgegun, 03 octobre 2012 - 02:13 .

[berelinde]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

We all feel he will be, though I think he will be number three or four at most in story significance.

An example of my rating system.

1. Alistair
2. Morrigan
3. Leliana
4. Zevran
5. Wynne
6. Oghren
7. Shale
8. Sten
9. Dog

And even in that example things tend to taper off after Wynne since she has an actual effect on the game after she is recruited though in that case I may have to switch Shale with Oghren, but he also shows up in the expansion so meh.

Interesting ! So, on the Danny Boy Scale of Plot Importantness, I think I would go so far as to posit him as high as a #2, after a #1 like Cassandra. If we're doing templar-mage-chantry-ish things, I see him not necessarily  being a central player in the plot, so I don't see his actions determining the course of DA3. But I would imagine that his personal storyline and how he joins you would be a part of that big story arc,

And, I agree, I'd probably say that after 4 or 5, Importantness becomes almost negligible. In fact... I'd even put Leliana lower. We find out she's important in the  big scheme of things in Val Royeaux... but was she really important to anything in DA:O (besides be crazy and then try to kill you if you defile the ashes)?  At least Zev had a role in the Loghain must destroy the GW's plot.

edit: So  how would rank the DA2 characters in Plot Importantness? (and yes, I know importantness isn't a word...)

I tend to put a companion high if it has the romance option, but like in my DA2 list it changes if they are self-involved. I mean Fenris' involvement with the Qunari is so miniscule that you can miss it and don't even really need him when you're involved with the Arishok and the duel. Leliana has the added bonus of singing in camp/being somewhat involved with the Dalish quest, while Zevran post recruitement tapers off and doesn't really involve himself in the plot so he is below Leliana but only slightly in my list.

Now, I would put Leliana all the way at the bottom, even below Dog. The reason for this is that I don't recruit her and never miss her. Canon Hawke, the idealistic apostate mage, is a devout Andrastian. Canon Warden, the Circle mage made cynical after a lifetime in the Circle Tower, is most definitely not. Leliana starts going on about visions and the Maker in their first meeting, and Lenira Amell gets a bit twitchy and tries to get away from the loony as quickly as humanly possible. Lenira knows Keli, the apprentice filled with self-loathing over her own magic, and gets very, very angry about the Chantry teaching people that magic is a curse. The last thing she wants is to pal around with a zealot who would probably try to fill her head with the same rubbish. Yes, I know Leliana doesn't belittle the mage Warden in DA:O, but Lenira does not. Given Leliana's apparent change of heart on the subject by DA2, Lenira may have been justified in her suspicions.

[R2s Muse]

Hmm, on my list of DA2 importantness... I'm torn on Varric and Isabela. If Isabela hadn't stolen the Tome of Koslun, we wouldn't have the end of Act 2. But, I guess if Varric didn't take us under his wing and convince us to partner with Bartrand, we wouldn't have gone to the Deep Roads and become rich/noble/untouchable. So, I guess I've now convinced myself that Varric is #2 over Isabela's #3. And, honestly, after that, most folks have little to no plot relevance. Maybe Aveline for trucking with you to Kirkwall at the beginning. Maybe Merrill a tiny bit for shepherding you to the top of Sundermount that first time. But otherwise, I guess we could have gotten to the end of the game without anyone else.

So.... in contrast, here's a question??? What if there had been no Cullen in DA2? If I were to include NPCs... I'd say he's more important to plot than Aveline or Merrill.... Other thoughts??

[berelinde]

With no Cullen in DA2, Hawke would have had to fight the entire Templar Order as well as Meredith. He was the only one with the conscience and the courage to stand up to her. With no Cullen in DA2, Wilmod would have gone undetected and who knows how many templar-abominations Hawke would have had to face?

Given that, I'd put him above Merrill in terms of importance to the plot.

[Dirgegun]

Funny Story....

I went through my entire first play through of DAII without Fenris, because I accidentally missed his quest. So I spent at least half of the game wondering "wasn't there supposed to be an elf dude?" XD;

[berelinde]

I'm not surprised. That happened with my sister and Isabela. And then there was the time when, having failed to earn the Arishok's respect, she neglected to bring Fenris on Demands of the Qun. She called me in for "tactics help" on the Arishok battle. I thought she was just having trouble beating the Arishok with a squishy warrior, but no, she loaded up the save and had an entire room full of hostile Qunari. In the end, I wound up fighting the battle for her. I was able to beat the Arishok in one go, but by the end of it, Anders was the only one left standing.

[R2s Muse]

LOL Dirgegun, I'm not surprised. Indeed, Fenris probably has the littlest plot relevance... outside of him being my fave romance.

On the Arishok battle... I sorta forgot that you could just fight them all. Ironically, on my first playthrough, I got my butt kicked so many times fighting the Arishok mano y mano that I finally chose to fight 'em all, and much more easily won. It was hard to go back and try the one on one after that, but I wanted to be able to say I'd done it. LOL At least I got to impress Cassandra!