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Cullen would become Protag-sexual, of course he'd lick your lampost outside marriage ;D

I hope if there is another Wynne-esque conversation about our LI at the time, all the responses don't make the main character sound like a teenager. I always thought she made sense, especially if you 'manced. Alistair. And the responses sounded really strange for my sage characters. /shrugopinion

If Cullen was in deep with the main character at the moment of such a conversation, I can see him getting possessive/defensive about it, depending on what kind of conversation you're talking about.


I totally agree with this! My poor sage!Mage was left wondering why there wasn't a better response for her.

....And I am totally okay with possessive/defensive Cullen. <3

Also your icon is oddly hypnotising. 




I sort of liked that one of our companions sort of "outsmarted" you, you're locked in a romance that is technically not allowed by the Wardens and she  called us out on it. I don't think ALL the choices made during that conversation is childish, but there really isn't a way to say "back off" without it coming off as aggresive or without a huge debate breaking out imo.

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Batteries wrote...

For all we know, Cullen could be a completely emotionless and stiff man by DAIII time, so all this could be moot to speak about. (o;

And thank you! This was the first (and only still) gif I've made, I'm glad it does not cause brain hemorrhages.


It is rather nice, also welcome to the thread...ir welcome back er if you've been here before.

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I've been in and out for a couple years now, so maybe a bit of both.

I'm just patiently waiting until more info comes out because a good majority of the threads are just going to be just like they had been for the releases of ME2, DAII and ME3.
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I know...it's so cold without solid information...

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Hopefully we'll get some more info after the VGA's.

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Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Cullen would become Protag-sexual, of course he'd lick your lampost outside marriage ;D

I hope if there is another Wynne-esque conversation about our LI at the time, all the responses don't make the main character sound like a teenager. I always thought she made sense, especially if you 'manced. Alistair. And the responses sounded really strange for my sage characters. /shrugopinion

If Cullen was in deep with the main character at the moment of such a conversation, I can see him getting possessive/defensive about it, depending on what kind of conversation you're talking about.


I totally agree with this! My poor sage!Mage was left wondering why there wasn't a better response for her.

....And I am totally okay with possessive/defensive Cullen. <3

Also your icon is oddly hypnotising. 




I sort of liked that one of our companions sort of "outsmarted" you, you're locked in a romance that is technically not allowed by the Wardens and she  called us out on it. I don't think ALL the choices made during that conversation is childish, but there really isn't a way to say "back off" without it coming off as aggresive or without a huge debate breaking out imo.


Oh, I loved that Wynne called you out on the relationship and the possible bad end or whatever it could have! I just wish that there was a slightly more eloquant way to reply to it.

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About the templar in the Broken Circle quest in DA:O, the player got a codex entry from his corpse.

Notice of Censure
Templar Drass, your remarks in front of the recruits are only the latest in a series of troubling events. I am beginning to suspect that you may not be suited to the devotional requirements of training. Perhaps it is time for a personal evaluation of your career path within the templars. I will schedule some time after the current deployment to discuss options elsewhere in the organization.

--Attendant Cerand, assistant to Knight-Commander Greagoir

(A note is scribbled in the corner.) "Attendant who? Options? Code for dead-end duty on a hedge-mage hunt in the Bannorn."


To me, this suggests that there was some kind of cause and effect relationship between Drass's lonliness and the prohibition against involvement. It isn't clear to me whether his poor job performance was due to his desire for a different life or whether he craved a family because he was dissatisfied with his career, but one way or another, the man had issues. Desire demons exploit existing weakness.

David Gaider has said that templars are permitted to marry, but only in cases where the templar's devotion is above suspicion and only where the spouse has an independent means of support. Wesley was allowed to marry because Aveline could support herself emotionally and economically without distracting him from his duties. When Merrill asks her why they never had children, she cites his calling as a reason. In other words, they couldn't have children unless she was in a position to raise them without him... or unless he left the Order.

Since the templars are now officially dissolved, there would be no one to tell Cullen to keep it in his pants. Plus, we don't know that he hasn't left the Order voluntarily. Or he could pull an Alistair and break it off with the PC because of a conflict of interests.

Edit: Cerand's letter suggests that templars who are not posted at Circles are allowed greater lattitude. Rhys's existence proves that not all templars are as scrupulous about fraternization as some of the ones we've met. Kinloch Hold's geographic isolation may have contributed to the problem. Of the Kirkwall templars, about the only one we *don't* see participating in sexual shenanigans is Cullen. Others, up to and including the Knight-Lieutenants, don't seem to have any problem relieving their needs with prostitutes or even with Circle mages.

Modifié par berelinde, 07 octobre 2012 - 12:10 .


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I wonder why they didn't have Cullen visit the brothel? I mean, ok we see that he's still stuttery about the subject in DA2, but they could have easily made him be a regular visitor like the others and scrap the awkwardness that we see in DA2.

Admittedly, it does make me wonder if they decided to keep him away from that sort of activity, should they decide to use him as a romancable companion in either DA3 or some future DA game.

Modifié par LolaLei, 07 octobre 2012 - 12:29 .


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LolaLei wrote...

I wonder why they didn't have Cullen visit the brothel? I mean, ok we see that he's still stuttery about the subject in DA2, but they could have easily have him be a regular visitor like the others and scrap the awkwardness that we see in DA2.

Admittedly, it does make me wonder if they decided to keep him away from that sort of activity, should they decide to use him as a romancable companion in either DA3 or some future DA game.


I think it has more to do with his character, honestly. As a writer I always think about how my characters act and what activities they would and wouldn't involve themselves in. Cullen just doesn't seem the type to involve himself in loose sexual incounters... 

Edit: The Dragon Age writers have shown that they think about this too. Isabela and Anders are two examples of their 'looser' characters (even if Anders s*** shames Isabela at one point, something I wanted to give him the pimphand for.) Fenris also doesn't mind loose sexual encounters, proven by how he and Isabela can have a fling if neither are romanced. 

Morrigan on the other hand rather dislikes it when the PC patisipates in such foolery, especially if your character is in a relationship with her. Leliana frowns upon it too unless she's been hardened. 

Modifié par Dirgegun, 07 octobre 2012 - 12:42 .


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berelinde wrote...

About the templar in the Broken Circle quest in DA:O, the player got a codex entry from his corpse.

Notice of Censure
Templar Drass, your remarks in front of the recruits are only the latest in a series of troubling events. I am beginning to suspect that you may not be suited to the devotional requirements of training. Perhaps it is time for a personal evaluation of your career path within the templars. I will schedule some time after the current deployment to discuss options elsewhere in the organization.

--Attendant Cerand, assistant to Knight-Commander Greagoir

(A note is scribbled in the corner.) "Attendant who? Options? Code for dead-end duty on a hedge-mage hunt in the Bannorn."


To me, this suggests that there was some kind of cause and effect relationship between Drass's lonliness and the prohibition against involvement. It isn't clear to me whether his poor job performance was due to his desire for a different life or whether he craved a family because he was dissatisfied with his career, but one way or another, the man had issues. Desire demons exploit existing weakness.

David Gaider has said that templars are permitted to marry, but only in cases where the templar's devotion is above suspicion and only where the spouse has an independent means of support. Wesley was allowed to marry because Aveline could support herself emotionally and economically without distracting him from his duties. When Merrill asks her why they never had children, she cites his calling as a reason. In other words, they couldn't have children unless she was in a position to raise them without him... or unless he left the Order.

Since the templars are now officially dissolved, there would be no one to tell Cullen to keep it in his pants. Plus, we don't know that he hasn't left the Order voluntarily. Or he could pull an Alistair and break it off with the PC because of a conflict of interests.

Edit: Cerand's letter suggests that templars who are not posted at Circles are allowed greater lattitude. Rhys's existence proves that not all templars are as scrupulous about fraternization as some of the ones we've met. Kinloch Hold's geographic isolation may have contributed to the problem. Of the Kirkwall templars, about the only one we *don't* see participating in sexual shenanigans is Cullen. Others, up to and including the Knight-Lieutenants, don't seem to have any problem relieving their needs with prostitutes or even with Circle mages.


Ah, thankyou for this! I didn't know Mister Gaider had talked about the subject, and I couldn't remember the exact details of Ser Drass. Evidence that I need to play both Origines and DAII again! 

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Dirgegun wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I wonder why they didn't have Cullen visit the brothel? I mean, ok we see that he's still stuttery about the subject in DA2, but they could have easily have him be a regular visitor like the others and scrap the awkwardness that we see in DA2.

Admittedly, it does make me wonder if they decided to keep him away from that sort of activity, should they decide to use him as a romancable companion in either DA3 or some future DA game.


I think it has more to do with his character, honestly. As a writer I always think about how my characters act and what activities they would and wouldn't involve themselves in. Cullen just doesn't seem the type to involve himself in loose sexual incounters... 


True, but he was just a pup in DA:O. After his torture and stuff they could have quite easily changed his character in any number of ways. The fact that they even retconned his crazy killing spree/Knight-Commander of the Ferelden circle makes me wonder if they've had plans for him ever since they realised he was popular.

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LolaLei wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I wonder why they didn't have Cullen visit the brothel? I mean, ok we see that he's still stuttery about the subject in DA2, but they could have easily have him be a regular visitor like the others and scrap the awkwardness that we see in DA2.

Admittedly, it does make me wonder if they decided to keep him away from that sort of activity, should they decide to use him as a romancable companion in either DA3 or some future DA game.


I think it has more to do with his character, honestly. As a writer I always think about how my characters act and what activities they would and wouldn't involve themselves in. Cullen just doesn't seem the type to involve himself in loose sexual incounters... 


True, but he was just a pup in DA:O. After his torture and stuff they could have quite easily changed his character in any number of ways. The fact that they even retconned his crazy killing spree/Knight-Commander of the Ferelden circle makes me wonder if they've had plans for him ever since they realised he was popular.


Ah, I'm not denying they possible found that they could use him and thus planned some things for him, but I think the Blooming Rose issue has more to do with his character than thinking they could make him a future romance. Even if you think about what he went through, turning him into a boy that likes visiting the prostitutes seems... um... "What the hell?" :lol: 

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Dirgegun wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I wonder why they didn't have Cullen visit the brothel? I mean, ok we see that he's still stuttery about the subject in DA2, but they could have easily have him be a regular visitor like the others and scrap the awkwardness that we see in DA2.

Admittedly, it does make me wonder if they decided to keep him away from that sort of activity, should they decide to use him as a romancable companion in either DA3 or some future DA game.


I think it has more to do with his character, honestly. As a writer I always think about how my characters act and what activities they would and wouldn't involve themselves in. Cullen just doesn't seem the type to involve himself in loose sexual incounters... 


True, but he was just a pup in DA:O. After his torture and stuff they could have quite easily changed his character in any number of ways. The fact that they even retconned his crazy killing spree/Knight-Commander of the Ferelden circle makes me wonder if they've had plans for him ever since they realised he was popular.


Ah, I'm not denying they possible found that they could use him and thus planned some things for him, but I think the Blooming Rose issue has more to do with his character than thinking they could make him a future romance. Even if you think about what he went through, turning him into a boy that likes visiting the prostitutes seems... um... "What the hell?" :lol: 


True. That would have totally trolled us though! LOL.

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I'd like to think that they kept Cullen celibate in DA2 because they have Plans. Or they may have thought that we found his stammering adorable. (I know that I did!)

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LolaLei wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I wonder why they didn't have Cullen visit the brothel? I mean, ok we see that he's still stuttery about the subject in DA2, but they could have easily have him be a regular visitor like the others and scrap the awkwardness that we see in DA2.

Admittedly, it does make me wonder if they decided to keep him away from that sort of activity, should they decide to use him as a romancable companion in either DA3 or some future DA game.


I think it has more to do with his character, honestly. As a writer I always think about how my characters act and what activities they would and wouldn't involve themselves in. Cullen just doesn't seem the type to involve himself in loose sexual incounters... 


True, but he was just a pup in DA:O. After his torture and stuff they could have quite easily changed his character in any number of ways. The fact that they even retconned his crazy killing spree/Knight-Commander of the Ferelden circle makes me wonder if they've had plans for him ever since they realised he was popular.


Ah, I'm not denying they possible found that they could use him and thus planned some things for him, but I think the Blooming Rose issue has more to do with his character than thinking they could make him a future romance. Even if you think about what he went through, turning him into a boy that likes visiting the prostitutes seems... um... "What the hell?" :lol: 


True. That would have totally trolled us though! LOL.


That would have been one hell of a troll!

My troll!Hawke wishes he had the option to troll Cullen though. So many loss flirt oppotunities, Bioware!

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berelinde wrote...

I'd like to think that they kept Cullen celibate in DA2 because they have Plans. Or they may have thought that we found his stammering adorable. (I know that I did!)


It was definitely adorable. I hope he still stutters when flustered when we encounter him in DA3 (either as an NPC or companion.)

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LolaLei wrote...

berelinde wrote...

I'd like to think that they kept Cullen celibate in DA2 because they have Plans. Or they may have thought that we found his stammering adorable. (I know that I did!)


It was definitely adorable. I hope he still stutters when flustered when we encounter him in DA3 (either as an NPC or companion.)


His getting flustered was adorable! While I do hope he stutters when flustrered though, I hope he's not completely shy in a relationship if he's a romance option. Maybe a nice balance between adorably awkward and 'just go for it' when he gets more comfortable like the Garrusmance was in ME.

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Dirgegun wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

berelinde wrote...

I'd like to think that they kept Cullen celibate in DA2 because they have Plans. Or they may have thought that we found his stammering adorable. (I know that I did!)


It was definitely adorable. I hope he still stutters when flustered when we encounter him in DA3 (either as an NPC or companion.)


His getting flustered was adorable! While I do hope he stutters when flustrered though, I hope he's not completely shy in a relationship if he's a romance option. Maybe a nice balance between adorably awkward and 'just go for it' when he gets more comfortable like the Garrusmance was in ME.


Agreed. Like, at first when you get flirty with him then he should get flustered and stuff, but I think once the relationship is established then there wouldn't be any need for him to stutter, although the awkwardness should still be there on a purely "this is new to me" basis, kinda like how Garrus doesn't really know the protocols for a Human/Turian relationship.

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LolaLei wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

berelinde wrote...

I'd like to think that they kept Cullen celibate in DA2 because they have Plans. Or they may have thought that we found his stammering adorable. (I know that I did!)


It was definitely adorable. I hope he still stutters when flustered when we encounter him in DA3 (either as an NPC or companion.)


His getting flustered was adorable! While I do hope he stutters when flustrered though, I hope he's not completely shy in a relationship if he's a romance option. Maybe a nice balance between adorably awkward and 'just go for it' when he gets more comfortable like the Garrusmance was in ME.


Agreed. Like, at first when you get flirty with him then he could get flustered and stuff, but I think once the relation is established then there wouldn't be any need for him to stutter, although the awkwardness should still be there on a purely "this is new to me" basis, kinda like how Garrus doesn't really know the protocols for a Human/Turian relationship.


Yes! A nice balance like that would suit a Cullen romance well, I think.

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... That's if he is actually "new to this", I mean for all we know he might be in a relationship already by the time we meet him him DA3 lol!

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