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[Danny Boy 7]

motomotogirl wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I also think it'd be interesting if Cullen's personal quest is to hunt down Anders (or Justice) in an attempt to get some revenge. Maybe throughout you can sort of question him on whether he thinks Anders was completely wrong and sort of influence him. By the time he catches up to Anders/Justice Cullen can sort of say, "You should die for what you've done, but I do not begrudge your cause. Fight the good fight friend, but if we ever meet again...it shall be as enemies, for you must pay for the deaths of the innocent."

DDDDDDDDDD: I would hate this. I love both of them! I want them to be buddies lol

You want them to be MORE than buddies girl...do not try to hide it behind that innocent face!

[LolaLei]

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I also think it'd be interesting if Cullen's personal quest is to hunt down Anders (or Justice) in an attempt to get some revenge. Maybe throughout you can sort of question him on whether he thinks Anders was completely wrong and sort of influence him. By the time he catches up to Anders/Justice Cullen can sort of say, "You should die for what you've done, but I do not begrudge your cause. Fight the good fight friend, but if we ever meet again...it shall be as enemies, for you must pay for the deaths of the innocent."

DDDDDDDDDD: I would hate this. I love both of them! I want them to be buddies lol

I'm actually surprised Cullen did have anything to say when Anders blew the Chantry up. I thought he would have been right there on his knees next to Seb screaming "MAKER NOOOOOOOO!"

That scene is so dumb. I played the game several times before buying the DLC, and the first time I played that scene with Sebastian, I just cracked up. It ruined the moment. He just seems tacked into the scene so clumsily. I think letting Cullen say a word or two would have been much more moving. Maybe just under his breath, in shock and despair, "Maker... what have you done?" or some such thing.

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Modifié par LolaLei, 07 octobre 2012 - 03:03 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I also think it'd be interesting if Cullen's personal quest is to hunt down Anders (or Justice) in an attempt to get some revenge. Maybe throughout you can sort of question him on whether he thinks Anders was completely wrong and sort of influence him. By the time he catches up to Anders/Justice Cullen can sort of say, "You should die for what you've done, but I do not begrudge your cause. Fight the good fight friend, but if we ever meet again...it shall be as enemies, for you must pay for the deaths of the innocent."

DDDDDDDDDD: I would hate this. I love both of them! I want them to be buddies lol

You want them to be MORE than buddies girl...do not try to hide it behind that innocent face!

HEY! I'm not responsible for whatever tragic mage x templar pairings my brain comes up with while I sleep 

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

I've seen that LOL Only useful thing I've ever seen done with that awful line....

[Dirgegun]

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I also think it'd be interesting if Cullen's personal quest is to hunt down Anders (or Justice) in an attempt to get some revenge. Maybe throughout you can sort of question him on whether he thinks Anders was completely wrong and sort of influence him. By the time he catches up to Anders/Justice Cullen can sort of say, "You should die for what you've done, but I do not begrudge your cause. Fight the good fight friend, but if we ever meet again...it shall be as enemies, for you must pay for the deaths of the innocent."

DDDDDDDDDD: I would hate this. I love both of them! I want them to be buddies lol

I'm actually surprised Cullen did have anything to say when Anders blew the Chantry up. I thought he would have been right there on his knees next to Seb screaming "MAKER NOOOOOOOO!"

That scene is so dumb. I played the game several times before buying the DLC, and the first time I played that scene with Sebastian, I just cracked up. It ruined the moment. He just seems tacked into the scene so clumsily. I think letting Cullen say a word or two would have been much more moving. Maybe just under his breath, in shock and despair, "Maker... what have you done?" or some such thing.

Oh goodness, the Maker No moment. All I could think about was Darth Vader. 

I think disbelieving whispers, just staring, and murmurs like "Oh, Maker..." are much more believeable and compelling in moments like that than screaming. Especially when the scream didn't sound very believable or distressed to me.

[CuriousArtemis]

Dirgegun wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I also think it'd be interesting if Cullen's personal quest is to hunt down Anders (or Justice) in an attempt to get some revenge. Maybe throughout you can sort of question him on whether he thinks Anders was completely wrong and sort of influence him. By the time he catches up to Anders/Justice Cullen can sort of say, "You should die for what you've done, but I do not begrudge your cause. Fight the good fight friend, but if we ever meet again...it shall be as enemies, for you must pay for the deaths of the innocent."

DDDDDDDDDD: I would hate this. I love both of them! I want them to be buddies lol

I'm actually surprised Cullen did have anything to say when Anders blew the Chantry up. I thought he would have been right there on his knees next to Seb screaming "MAKER NOOOOOOOO!"

That scene is so dumb. I played the game several times before buying the DLC, and the first time I played that scene with Sebastian, I just cracked up. It ruined the moment. He just seems tacked into the scene so clumsily. I think letting Cullen say a word or two would have been much more moving. Maybe just under his breath, in shock and despair, "Maker... what have you done?" or some such thing.

Oh goodness, the Maker No moment. All I could think about was Darth Vader. 

I think disbelieving whispers, just staring, and murmurs like "Oh, Maker..." are much more believeable and compelling in moments like that than screaming. Especially when the scream didn't sound very believable or distressed to me.

Yeah, bad voice acting. Or, I hate to diss the VA because he's great. They should have realized it just didn't work, or done another take, or something!

[Danny Boy 7]

Dirgegun wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Okay, that second one was awesome (I totally want that little girl to grow up and be my protagonist now!!) - but the first one just made me LOL.

Also laughing at Danny's post a page or two ago about how he hopes the Cullen romance is complicated. You know, since he's never going to experiences it anyway -- unless he rolls gay or female for science.

Hey I can hope that someone else's romance is fun, I'm just saying that I want his character to feel conflicted about certain actions he takes. Balancing religion, a romance and moral dilehmas on a daily basis can be quite tiring if it doesn't drive you to the very edge! 

You know I was also thinking, what if Cullen had a mental breakdown between Dragon Age II and Dragon Age III and in the latter we find him in a sanitarium or something? When we meet him he's like "Demons!! That doctor is possesed!" and just all around seems crazy, but when we do a lot of investigating we find out the hospital is controlled by demons and Cullen actually isn't completely off his rocker!

I also think it'd be interesting if Cullen's personal quest is to hunt down Anders (or Justice) in an attempt to get some revenge. Maybe throughout you can sort of question him on whether he thinks Anders was completely wrong and sort of influence him. By the time he catches up to Anders/Justice Cullen can sort of say, "You should die for what you've done, but I do not begrudge your cause. Fight the good fight friend, but if we ever meet again...it shall be as enemies, for you must pay for the deaths of the innocent."

Well, that would... um... it actually sounds like one of those twists Bioware would hit us in the face with. I suppose the Silent Hill fan in me likes creepy as hell hospitals too. Hmm...

Saying that I do like that Cullen appears well on the road to recovery and is proving that he's a badarse with balls. I just approve of that growing maturity and confidence in himself. I have a thing for sweet badarses. 

A quest where it looks like Cullen is having a relapse because of his past, but is, in fact, actually onto something? That sounds interesting.

As for that personal quest idea....

It sounds kind of awesome! But there's a couple of problesm with it. One is that Anders can be murder knifed, and the other... well, two of my Hawkes would have WORDS to say about someone trying to kill his/her boy. B(

Thats why I added Justice because Cullen could have heard that "Anders" was still around and kicking (it being Justice in reality) and he sort of hunts him. As for the WORDS part I think that would be great if a characters actions put them on the other side of a conflict with another protagonist.

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I also think it'd be interesting if Cullen's personal quest is to hunt down Anders (or Justice) in an attempt to get some revenge. Maybe throughout you can sort of question him on whether he thinks Anders was completely wrong and sort of influence him. By the time he catches up to Anders/Justice Cullen can sort of say, "You should die for what you've done, but I do not begrudge your cause. Fight the good fight friend, but if we ever meet again...it shall be as enemies, for you must pay for the deaths of the innocent."

DDDDDDDDDD: I would hate this. I love both of them! I want them to be buddies lol

I'm actually surprised Cullen did have anything to say when Anders blew the Chantry up. I thought he would have been right there on his knees next to Seb screaming "MAKER NOOOOOOOO!"

Seb I think was more devastated because he had a personal relationship with the Divine whereas Cullen saw her as a boss/holy figure nothing more. He could have been screaming on the inside but ltimately I think priests will cry over the church more than it's members who are only there half of the time.

[brushyourteeth]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Lol, you're never gonna find out what the question was at this rate! I'm curious myself now!

I feel like if it isn't some planet cracking question and I don't freaking save the world from alien robots bent on destroying us than I'm going to be sorely dissapointed. 

Yeah. Disappointment is imminent.

[Dirgegun]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Okay, that second one was awesome (I totally want that little girl to grow up and be my protagonist now!!) - but the first one just made me LOL.

Also laughing at Danny's post a page or two ago about how he hopes the Cullen romance is complicated. You know, since he's never going to experiences it anyway -- unless he rolls gay or female for science.

Hey I can hope that someone else's romance is fun, I'm just saying that I want his character to feel conflicted about certain actions he takes. Balancing religion, a romance and moral dilehmas on a daily basis can be quite tiring if it doesn't drive you to the very edge! 

You know I was also thinking, what if Cullen had a mental breakdown between Dragon Age II and Dragon Age III and in the latter we find him in a sanitarium or something? When we meet him he's like "Demons!! That doctor is possesed!" and just all around seems crazy, but when we do a lot of investigating we find out the hospital is controlled by demons and Cullen actually isn't completely off his rocker!

I also think it'd be interesting if Cullen's personal quest is to hunt down Anders (or Justice) in an attempt to get some revenge. Maybe throughout you can sort of question him on whether he thinks Anders was completely wrong and sort of influence him. By the time he catches up to Anders/Justice Cullen can sort of say, "You should die for what you've done, but I do not begrudge your cause. Fight the good fight friend, but if we ever meet again...it shall be as enemies, for you must pay for the deaths of the innocent."

Well, that would... um... it actually sounds like one of those twists Bioware would hit us in the face with. I suppose the Silent Hill fan in me likes creepy as hell hospitals too. Hmm...

Saying that I do like that Cullen appears well on the road to recovery and is proving that he's a badarse with balls. I just approve of that growing maturity and confidence in himself. I have a thing for sweet badarses. 

A quest where it looks like Cullen is having a relapse because of his past, but is, in fact, actually onto something? That sounds interesting.

As for that personal quest idea....

It sounds kind of awesome! But there's a couple of problesm with it. One is that Anders can be murder knifed, and the other... well, two of my Hawkes would have WORDS to say about someone trying to kill his/her boy. B(

Thats why I added Justice because Cullen could have heard that "Anders" was still around and kicking (it being Justice in reality) and he sort of hunts him. As for the WORDS part I think that would be great if a characters actions put them on the other side of a conflict with another protagonist.

....Now I have the mental image of my Mage-Hawk-who-romanced-Anders having a Harry Potter style duel with the mage I plan to make in  DA3. 

[LolaLei]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I also think it'd be interesting if Cullen's personal quest is to hunt down Anders (or Justice) in an attempt to get some revenge. Maybe throughout you can sort of question him on whether he thinks Anders was completely wrong and sort of influence him. By the time he catches up to Anders/Justice Cullen can sort of say, "You should die for what you've done, but I do not begrudge your cause. Fight the good fight friend, but if we ever meet again...it shall be as enemies, for you must pay for the deaths of the innocent."

DDDDDDDDDD: I would hate this. I love both of them! I want them to be buddies lol

I'm actually surprised Cullen did have anything to say when Anders blew the Chantry up. I thought he would have been right there on his knees next to Seb screaming "MAKER NOOOOOOOO!"

Seb I think was more devastated because he had a personal relationship with the Divine whereas Cullen saw her as a boss/holy figure nothing more. He could have been screaming on the inside but ltimately I think priests will cry over the church more than it's members who are only there half of the time.

Oh, I doubt Cullen would be screaming for the blown up Justina, but more because they just blew up a holy building and a hole lot of **** is going to kick off. Especially since he'd been going on about not trusting mages for 3 acts lol.

[Danny Boy 7]

motomotogirl wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I also think it'd be interesting if Cullen's personal quest is to hunt down Anders (or Justice) in an attempt to get some revenge. Maybe throughout you can sort of question him on whether he thinks Anders was completely wrong and sort of influence him. By the time he catches up to Anders/Justice Cullen can sort of say, "You should die for what you've done, but I do not begrudge your cause. Fight the good fight friend, but if we ever meet again...it shall be as enemies, for you must pay for the deaths of the innocent."

DDDDDDDDDD: I would hate this. I love both of them! I want them to be buddies lol

I'm actually surprised Cullen did have anything to say when Anders blew the Chantry up. I thought he would have been right there on his knees next to Seb screaming "MAKER NOOOOOOOO!"

That scene is so dumb. I played the game several times before buying the DLC, and the first time I played that scene with Sebastian, I just cracked up. It ruined the moment. He just seems tacked into the scene so clumsily. I think letting Cullen say a word or two would have been much more moving. Maybe just under his breath, in shock and despair, "Maker... what have you done?" or some such thing.

Oh goodness, the Maker No moment. All I could think about was Darth Vader. 

I think disbelieving whispers, just staring, and murmurs like "Oh, Maker..." are much more believeable and compelling in moments like that than screaming. Especially when the scream didn't sound very believable or distressed to me.

Yeah, bad voice acting. Or, I hate to diss the VA because he's great. They should have realized it just didn't work, or done another take, or something!

It was sort of realistic though (imo). I mean when somebody cries I don't know about you but it isn't this scripted boo hoo moment bt rather this nasty wailing with floods of tears, lots o snot and more than the odd stupid sound. So considering how it could have went...I'm just happy we have our meme...

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I also think it'd be interesting if Cullen's personal quest is to hunt down Anders (or Justice) in an attempt to get some revenge. Maybe throughout you can sort of question him on whether he thinks Anders was completely wrong and sort of influence him. By the time he catches up to Anders/Justice Cullen can sort of say, "You should die for what you've done, but I do not begrudge your cause. Fight the good fight friend, but if we ever meet again...it shall be as enemies, for you must pay for the deaths of the innocent."

DDDDDDDDDD: I would hate this. I love both of them! I want them to be buddies lol

I'm actually surprised Cullen did have anything to say when Anders blew the Chantry up. I thought he would have been right there on his knees next to Seb screaming "MAKER NOOOOOOOO!"

Seb I think was more devastated because he had a personal relationship with the Divine whereas Cullen saw her as a boss/holy figure nothing more. He could have been screaming on the inside but ltimately I think priests will cry over the church more than it's members who are only there half of the time.

Oh, I doubt Cullen would be screaming for the blown up Justina, but more because they just blew up a holy building and a hole lot of **** is going to kick off. Especially since he'd been going on about not trusting mages for 3 acts lol.

Yeah and oops I meant Grand Cleric lol, being Elithina.

[LolaLei]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I also think it'd be interesting if Cullen's personal quest is to hunt down Anders (or Justice) in an attempt to get some revenge. Maybe throughout you can sort of question him on whether he thinks Anders was completely wrong and sort of influence him. By the time he catches up to Anders/Justice Cullen can sort of say, "You should die for what you've done, but I do not begrudge your cause. Fight the good fight friend, but if we ever meet again...it shall be as enemies, for you must pay for the deaths of the innocent."

DDDDDDDDDD: I would hate this. I love both of them! I want them to be buddies lol

I'm actually surprised Cullen did have anything to say when Anders blew the Chantry up. I thought he would have been right there on his knees next to Seb screaming "MAKER NOOOOOOOO!"

Seb I think was more devastated because he had a personal relationship with the Divine whereas Cullen saw her as a boss/holy figure nothing more. He could have been screaming on the inside but ltimately I think priests will cry over the church more than it's members who are only there half of the time.

Oh, I doubt Cullen would be screaming for the blown up Justina, but more because they just blew up a holy building and a hole lot of **** is going to kick off. Especially since he'd been going on about not trusting mages for 3 acts lol.

Yeah and oops I meant Grand Cleric lol, being Elithina.

Lol, he wouldn't be crying over her either. Although I imagine he'd be pissed off about it.

[Danny Boy 7]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Lol, you're never gonna find out what the question was at this rate! I'm curious myself now!

I feel like if it isn't some planet cracking question and I don't freaking save the world from alien robots bent on destroying us than I'm going to be sorely dissapointed. 

Yeah. Disappointment is imminent.

Well ask the dern question.

[brushyourteeth]

Okay, we've talked about this before, but that was before Dirgegun, Battlebloodmage, charlottecorday, and Danny Boy 7 joined us, SO....

This came out of us discussing how some hopeful Cullen-mancers would want him to still be a nervous virgin, while others really don't care and are more interested in that not being the major issue we help him through.

So while I loved Alistair in DA:O, there's no point repeating that. And having Cullen suddenly be all amorous and comfortable with a relationship would be completely out of character for him, so we came up with this (and it's fast becoming my favorite Cullen/DAIII idea)

What if Cullen had a serious crisis of faith after the Meredith situation, and having either left the Order or been hunted by the Chantry folk for his actions during the Annulment, he spirals into a kind of identity crisis and basically says "Eff this. I gave my life to the Order and this is what comes of it?" So we meet him in a filthy tavern or brothel, where he's been drowning his sorrows in wine and women for the last few months, trying to forget about what happened and rejecting the duty-bound guy he used to be for something more carefree, but empty.

So we help him clean up - we show him there's still something noble worth fighting for, and the guy still hasn't experienced real love yet, or what it means to be independent without being reckless. Which is a fun adventure all on its own!

Thoughts?

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 07 octobre 2012 - 03:31 .

[LolaLei]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Okay, we've talked about this before, but that was before Dirgegun, Battlebloodmage, charlottecorday, and Danny Boy 7 joined us, SO....

This came out of us discussing how some hopeful Cullen-mancers would want him to still be a nervous virgin, while others really don't care and are more interested in that not being the major issue we help him through.

So while I loved Alistair in DA:O, there's no point repeating that. And having Cullen suddenly be all amorous and comfortable with a relationship would be completely out of character for him, so we came up with this (and it's fast becoming my favorite Cullen/DAIII idea)

What if Cullen had a serious crisis of faith after the Meredith situation, and having either left the Order or been hunted by the Chantry folk for his actions during the Annulment, he spirals into a kind of identity crisis and basically says "Eff this. I gave my life to the Order and this is what comes of it?" So we meet him in a filthy tavern or brothel, where he's been drowning his sorrows in wine and women for the last few months, trying to forget about what happened and rejecting the duty-bound guy he used to be for something more carefree, but empty.

So we help him clean up - we show him there's still something noble worth fighting for, and the guy still hasn't experienced real love yet, or what it means to be independent without being reckless. Which is a fun adventure all on its own!

Thoughts?

Only problem is, it would be too similar to Alistair drowning his sorrows in DA2 (minus the women... although I dare say he probably got laid lol.) 

I prefer the idea of coming across him lyrium addled, or in a sorry state after escaping from a dungeon (either with the protagonist, in which we come across him whilst escaping from a dungeon ourselves) or something.

[LolaLei]

I know it was done with Fenris, but what if we find him and he's suffering from temporary amnesia, with no recollection of his past, so for a while there he's receptive to flirting etc and then he gets his memory back lol.

[CuriousArtemis]

It's too... sad  I do like the thought of him perhaps leaving the Order and not knowing what to do with himself, but that he would drown himself in liquor and basically become a man-**** is just... WRONG, you know? That would break my heart.

Plus it's the whole "fix him" thing that nobody likes in real life so why have it in a game xD You never want to have to "fix" another person to make him/her "right" for you. 

[CuriousArtemis]

I don't see him being a virgin. There would HAVE to have been a fling here or there in the past, especially at his age. No, he isn't the type to give in to temptation and sleep with a mage or even a fellow templar, but perhaps a crush on someone not affiliated with the order. A clandestine affair with a tavern worker or a servant or a guardsman/woman.

[brushyourteeth]

True that Alistair could have gotten lost in booze, but unless you had the 1-minute cameo for that outcome (which most people probably didn't take), you wouldn't even really experience that at all, and even then very little.

Lots of people get drunk to forget their problems - go to a bar tonight and you'll see a room full! Plus Alistair's was more whiny "I used to be somebody!" whereas Cullen's (in my mind) would be more like "Hey, buddy! Buy me a drink and I'll tell you about this man I met from Nantucket... lololol" or "Well hello, gorgeous! There's room at my table if you'd like to take that jacket off and let me admire your figure by the fireside."

... not saying it *has* to be that way, just that I think it could still definitely work.

though you know I'm all about the lyrium addling. That needs to happen somewhere along the line, even if it's not his character's main hook.

[Dirgegun]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Okay, we've talked about this before, but that was before Dirgegun, Battlebloodmage, charlottecorday, and Danny Boy 7 joined us, SO....

This came out of us discussing how some hopeful Cullen-mancers would want him to still be a nervous virgin, while others really don't care and are more interested in that not being the major issue we help him through.

So while I loved Alistair in DA:O, there's no point repeating that. And having Cullen suddenly be all amorous and comfortable with a relationship would be completely out of character for him, so we came up with this (and it's fast becoming my favorite Cullen/DAIII idea)

What if Cullen had a serious crisis of faith after the Meredith situation, and having either left the Order or been hunted by the Chantry folk for his actions during the Annulment, he spirals into a kind of identity crisis and basically says "Eff this. I gave my life to the Order and this is what comes of it?" So we meet him in a filthy tavern or brothel, where he's been drowning his sorrows in wine and women for the last few months, trying to forget about what happened and rejecting the duty-bound guy he used to be for something more carefree, but empty.

So we help him clean up - we show him there's still something noble worth fighting for, and the guy still hasn't experienced real love yet, or what it means to be independent without being reckless. Which is a fun adventure all on its own!

Thoughts?

Oh, I like! I'm not positive about the drowning himself in women thing, because I'm not sure he'd think that way, but I'm open to the idea and I like the possibility of him being all "screw this noise" and turning to drink or breaking away from his faith and becoming a somewhat bitter vegabond. (This idea actually reminds me of the Huntsman's situation in Snow White and the Huntsman, except his crises of faith/identity was the loss of his wife.)

I don't want the romance to be about how he's a virgin and entirely sweet, though, and I think if it was like that Bioware wouldn't do it. They've done that before with Alistair and Cullen ISN'T Alistair and I don't want him to be Alistair. 

Hell, Mister Gaider has even said that the Dragon Age team wouldn't write romances that have been done before. (It was in the context of bringing characters back and making them romanceable again, but I think this still applies.) Why would they want to write the romance exactly like one they've already done? New character should mean a new type of romance to discover. 

If he's not having a crisis of faith/comitment/identity in DA3, then I think Cullen would be a romance maybe a touch like Garrus'. Just a touch. He might be a little awkward in the begining, but once things were established he'd just be "to hell with it!" and go for it.

[brushyourteeth]

motomotogirl wrote...

It's too... sad  I do like the thought of him perhaps leaving the Order and not knowing what to do with himself, but that he would drown himself in liquor and basically become a man-**** is just... WRONG, you know? That would break my heart.

Plus it's the whole "fix him" thing that nobody likes in real life so why have it in a game xD You never want to have to "fix" another person to make him/her "right" for you. 

Okay, I totally agree with that in general, BUT...

if you help a guy that's down and out to become the man he was destined to be by inspiring him to let go of his past, I don't think that's "fixing" him. That's just being the friend he needed at a time when you happened to meet him at a low point. We've all had that, I think. 

Anders and Fenris drove me bonkers, because they wanted to dwell on their past. They wanted to be victims forever. You could beg them to smile and take some comfort in your love for them, but whatever joy was in the relationship was so fleeting because they were still chained to their anger and regret. I definitely don't want that in another companion - especially not an LI.