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[SamaraDraven]

LolaLei wrote...

It's quiet in here this evening! I need to think up some questions! Anyone got any Cullen related questions?

How about...

What fanfic tropes do you like?

Which ones do you hate?

And of the lot, which one do you think would transfer realistically into a game and why?

How's that?

[Dunquixote]

Not atm; I'm busy writing my next chapter..

Modifié par Dunquixote, 19 avril 2012 - 10:47 .

[R2s Muse]

SamaraDraven wrote...

Aww boo... What a party pooper.

Hubs just isn't impressed with DA2 so he didn't want to play it but it had nothing to do with my obsession with Cullen. Frank really liked Shale and her quips AND he was the first to give the same sex romance between his warden and Zevran a try! Frank's a straight guy, yet he went there... He ended it to be with Morrigan though and left with her through the mirror in Witch Hunt.

Yeah, mine wasn't too keen on DA2, either and quit part of the way thru. Don't recall who he romanced in DA:O, but he's totally hot for Flemeth 2.0. It's the only thing he liked about DA2! LOL

[LolaLei]

SamaraDraven wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

It's quiet in here this evening! I need to think up some questions! Anyone got any Cullen related questions?

How about...

What fanfic tropes do you like?

Which ones do you hate?

And of the lot, which one do you think would transfer realistically into a game and why?

How's that?

Now you're talking!

Ok! So, I love the Amell/Cullen fanfics but I get sad when it's a love triangle between Amell/Cullen/Alistair because my Warden only has eyes for Alistair, so when I read those fics I'm imagining my character.

Funnily enough one of the best fanfics I read was a love triangle but it had an amazing sex scene in it... I can't remember what it's title was but it involved Cullen and Amell having sex in a field and Cullen asking Amell to tell him that she loves him even though he knows at that point that she doesn't. It was sad but a really well written scene.

I can't say I've read any that I've hated as of yet, which is cool.

I guess the types of fanfic stories that I'd like to see implented into the game (aside from the one I'm currently writing lol) would be the ones where he seems reserved and avoids the relationship at first until something happens in which he almost loses his love interest and then realises that he can't fight his feelings anymore.

Hm... thinking about this makes me wonder if Cullen wouldn't be made a love interest in DA3, simply because he'd never allow himself to forsake his Templar vows... especially if the love interest is a Mage.

[SamaraDraven]

R2s Muse wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

Aww boo... What a party pooper.

Hubs just isn't impressed with DA2 so he didn't want to play it but it had nothing to do with my obsession with Cullen. Frank really liked Shale and her quips AND he was the first to give the same sex romance between his warden and Zevran a try! Frank's a straight guy, yet he went there... He ended it to be with Morrigan though and left with her through the mirror in Witch Hunt.

Yeah, mine wasn't too keen on DA2, either and quit part of the way thru. Don't recall who he romanced in DA:O, but he's totally hot for Flemeth 2.0. It's the only thing he liked about DA2! LOL

LMAO! Hey I can totally relate to Flemeth appreciation. This may be more than you wanna know but I'm not above
browing through members of my own gender from time to time.
And even though Frank didn't even touch DA2 he'd watch me play it and leaf through the book. When we saw Flemeth 2.0 we both whistled long and low and said "I'd hit that." The went at each other. Then Frank said, "Cool! If I had my mage, she could teach me to be a dragon1 I'll play it if I can ba dragon." before that option for Hawke's dialogue came up.

 And later, he stared at her  concept art and character info for like a half hour when I asked him to find something for me in the book.

[R2s Muse]

SamaraDraven wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

Aww boo... What a party pooper.

Hubs just isn't impressed with DA2 so he didn't want to play it but it had nothing to do with my obsession with Cullen. Frank really liked Shale and her quips AND he was the first to give the same sex romance between his warden and Zevran a try! Frank's a straight guy, yet he went there... He ended it to be with Morrigan though and left with her through the mirror in Witch Hunt.

Yeah, mine wasn't too keen on DA2, either and quit part of the way thru. Don't recall who he romanced in DA:O, but he's totally hot for Flemeth 2.0. It's the only thing he liked about DA2! LOL

LMAO! Hey I can totally relate to Flemeth appreciation. This may be more than you wanna know but I'm not above
browing through members of my own gender from time to time.
And even though Frank didn't even touch DA2 he'd watch me play it and leaf through the book. When we saw Flemeth 2.0 we both whistled long and low and said "I'd hit that." The went at each other. Then Frank said, "Cool! If I had my mage, she could teach me to be a dragon1 I'll play it if I can ba dragon." before that option for Hawke's dialogue came up.

 And later, he stared at her  concept art and character info for like a half hour when I asked him to find something for me in the book.

LMFAO!  Yeah, Flemeth 2.0 is wicked hot, so I sure don't begrudge anyone that crush. But when she's onscreen, I find myself fixated on watching her skirt float according to its own personal physics. My own girlcrush is on Isabela.

Then... I'm also going to embarass myself by asking... what do you mean by trope, exactly??  I read about examples of tropes from time to time, but not sure I have a general enough definition in my head.
EDIT: so for example, can you give me an example of a fanfic trope?

Modifié par R2s Muse, 19 avril 2012 - 11:04 .

[LolaLei]

Flemeth's a total WILF!

I was wondering what a trope means too!

[Dunquixote]

For some reason, I prefer her old model over her new. I mean, I don't care if she's ugly or pretty--after all she's an "old" person or abomination or whatever you can call her.

[R2s Muse]

Like, I see people reference tropes, and then I look them up on tvtropes.com. And, they seem to be sorta ... any recurring idea. Like the following, which is probably something we see in fanfics as well.

http://tvtropes.org/...DoLoveEachOther

[SamaraDraven]

LolaLei wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

It's quiet in here this evening! I need to think up some questions! Anyone got any Cullen related questions?

How about...

What fanfic tropes do you like?

Which ones do you hate?

And of the lot, which one do you think would transfer realistically into a game and why?

How's that?

Now you're talking!

Ok! So, I love the Amell/Cullen fanfics but I get sad when it's a love triangle between Amell/Cullen/Alistair because my Warden only has eyes for Alistair, so when I read those fics I'm imagining my character.

Funnily enough one of the best fanfics I read was a love triangle but it had an amazing sex scene in it... I can't remember what it's title was but it involved Cullen and Amell having sex in a field and Cullen asking Amell to tell him that she loves him even though he knows at that point that she doesn't. It was sad but a really well written scene.

I can't say I've read any that I've hated as of yet, which is cool.

I guess the types of fanfic stories that I'd like to see implented into the game (aside from the one I'm currently writing lol) would be the ones where he seems reserved and avoids the relationship at first until something happens in which he almost loses his love interest and then realises that he can't fight his feelings anymore.

Hm... thinking about this makes me wonder if Cullen wouldn't be made a love interest in DA3, simply because he'd never allow himself to forsake his Templar vows... especially if the love interest is a Mage.

The Amell/Cullen living happily ever after type of story is sweet but unless the author spends time developing Cullen's arc about his fate in the Order, I have to suspend my disbelief when I read them because it seems strange for Cullen to leave the Templars without a good reason.

I do like fic where a resistant Cullen finally realizes he can't bear to lose his love and gives in.

But I also like a Cullen that doesn't have to worry about choosing between his duty and heart.

There is a trope that I've seen and though it's understandable, I'm kind sick of seeing it and that is the Lyrium Withdrawal trope. When Cullen joinds the PC, in my mind, I'm thinking "Ok, she should know he'll need lyrium because Alistair told her about the addiction. She (if a mage) needs it too and her friends need it and she makes sure they have it, she can make sure he gets one little vial every day or so, can't she?"

But then BOOM! All of sudden, Cullen going into Lyirum Withdrawal is a big plot point and I'm like "WTF?! Why is this even here?" I guess to me, it just doesn't seem like it's realistic for it be that big a deal.

That sex scene sounds beautiful, if sad.

[SamaraDraven]

R2s Muse wrote...

Like, I see people reference tropes, and then I look them up on tvtropes.com. And, they seem to be sorta ... any recurring idea. Like the following, which is probably something we see in fanfics as well.

http://tvtropes.org/...DoLoveEachOther

You've got it right. A trope is something that is used often to get a story going into a certain vein. In DA fic I've seen the idea that Amell returns to the Circle done often. I've seen the Lyrium Withdrawal one a few times. I've seen Cousland and Loghain hook up done here and there. DA fic tends to use tropes uniquely enough that I don't get sick of them in and of themselves; it's just some don't make sense to me, like the one where Amell returns home. She's a warden! She's supposed to be out doing 'wardeny things'.

And tropes can be used for all sorts of things. Like sex for instance. There are demons-made-them-do-it, pollen-made-them-do-it, blood-mages-made-them-do-it... screw-or-die, etc.

Basically these are circumstances that get our characters into the sack without needing to develop a slow and more realistic build up.

[Dunquixote]

This is off topic, but do you all think it isn't too far fetched for me to have my mage to be in the Fade even before being Harrowed?

[SamaraDraven]

Dunquixote wrote...

This is off topic, but do you all think it isn't too far fetched for me to have my mage to be in the Fade even before being Harrowed?

Well that depends. Is she dreaming? According the DA codex, everyone goes to the Fade to dream but only mages possess the ability to walk it consciously so theoretically, she could be in the Fade without having been Harrowed. That's how Connor became possessed by a demon in DAO. I'm not even sure how a Harrowing can be a test to see if a mage can resist possession. Unless the huge amount of lyrium in the vicinity that your mage partakes of in the Magi Origin is like a beacon to ensure a demon will approach the mage? I dunno. That's a bit of a headscratcher, that one.

[Dunquixote]

Okay, so that leaves me enough room to toy with the notion she did enter it through her dreams when she was unharrowed. Right now, I'm actually introducing a really weird enchanting method in my story, and she needs to be in the Fade--I'm still sorting out all of the details why she has to. But, she has Irving and Greagoir's permission (they're present of course)

[LolaLei]

SamaraDraven wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

It's quiet in here this evening! I need to think up some questions! Anyone got any Cullen related questions?

How about...

What fanfic tropes do you like?

Which ones do you hate?

And of the lot, which one do you think would transfer realistically into a game and why?

How's that?

Now you're talking!

Ok! So, I love the Amell/Cullen fanfics but I get sad when it's a love triangle between Amell/Cullen/Alistair because my Warden only has eyes for Alistair, so when I read those fics I'm imagining my character.

Funnily enough one of the best fanfics I read was a love triangle but it had an amazing sex scene in it... I can't remember what it's title was but it involved Cullen and Amell having sex in a field and Cullen asking Amell to tell him that she loves him even though he knows at that point that she doesn't. It was sad but a really well written scene.

I can't say I've read any that I've hated as of yet, which is cool.

I guess the types of fanfic stories that I'd like to see implented into the game (aside from the one I'm currently writing lol) would be the ones where he seems reserved and avoids the relationship at first until something happens in which he almost loses his love interest and then realises that he can't fight his feelings anymore.

Hm... thinking about this makes me wonder if Cullen wouldn't be made a love interest in DA3, simply because he'd never allow himself to forsake his Templar vows... especially if the love interest is a Mage.

The Amell/Cullen living happily ever after type of story is sweet but unless the author spends time developing Cullen's arc about his fate in the Order, I have to suspend my disbelief when I read them because it seems strange for Cullen to leave the Templars without a good reason.

I do like fic where a resistant Cullen finally realizes he can't bear to lose his love and gives in.

But I also like a Cullen that doesn't have to worry about choosing between his duty and heart.

There is a trope that I've seen and though it's understandable, I'm kind sick of seeing it and that is the Lyrium Withdrawal trope. When Cullen joinds the PC, in my mind, I'm thinking "Ok, she should know he'll need lyrium because Alistair told her about the addiction. She (if a mage) needs it too and her friends need it and she makes sure they have it, she can make sure he gets one little vial every day or so, can't she?"

But then BOOM! All of sudden, Cullen going into Lyirum Withdrawal is a big plot point and I'm like "WTF?! Why is this even here?" I guess to me, it just doesn't seem like it's realistic for it be that big a deal.

That sex scene sounds beautiful, if sad.

I wish I could find the story, you'd all love it! It's also really sad because Amell put Alistair on the throne and had to break up with him and he's still in love with her even after she's gotten into a relationship with Cullen. I hated that bit lol.

One of the tropes I hate is where Amell gets pregnant with Cullen's baby, that one really annoys me just because it feels like a cheap plot device. I also have trouble believing that Cullen would actually leave the Order for a Mage without a decent reason. I've read a lot of fanfiction where they just get together without Cullen worrying about the consequences.

[Dunquixote]

Lola, what did you think of the "What We Choose" fan fic, or did you not read that one? The writer had Cullen propose to Amell.

[LolaLei]

Dunquixote wrote...

Lola, what did you think of the "What We Choose" fan fic, or did you not read that one? The writer had Cullen propose to Amell.

I haven't finished reading it yet so I'm not sure.

[Dunquixote]

Oops. sorry. /face palm

[SamaraDraven]

LolaLei wrote...

I wish I could find the story, you'd all love it! It's also really sad because Amell put Alistair on the throne and had to break up with him and he's still in love with her even after she's gotten into a relationship with Cullen. I hated that bit lol.

One of the tropes I hate is where Amell gets pregnant with Cullen's baby, that one really annoys me just because it feels like a cheap plot device. I also have trouble believing that Cullen would actually leave the Order for a Mage without a decent reason. I've read a lot of fanfiction where they just get together without Cullen worrying about the consequences.

For me, the whole baby thing is fine if it's part of the story. When it's a natural consequence of the sexy times in the story, I'm all for it. I don't like it when Amell leaves the tower preggers and comes back with a kid Cullen didn't know he had. And the reasons I don't like it are:

1) As far as canon has established, Cullen and Amell didn't do anything. Ever. (Yes I know that's what fic is for but bear with me.)

2) Becoming a Grey Warden seems like it would be lethal to a fetus. At best, the child would become a Grey Warden in the womb and live like... what? 30 years?

3) I also find it unrealistic to be pregnant and fighting the good fight during a Blight.

4) If Amell comes back after becoming a GW and gets knocked up, it seems to contradict what Alistair says about Wardens not having much luck procreating.

5) Last, but not least, Amell coming back with a kid of Cullen's seems like a cheap Happily Ever After card. Meaning all the drama and issue-solving of having a relationship with a mage is taken away once he knows he has a kid with her. It's also like a Cullen-won't-go-crazy-and-leave-to-kill-mages mechanic. Even though it's not specific canon that he does AND it's been retconned, he still has some intense issues about mages. He won't have a relationship with one at the end of DAO. But a kid does away with that. I think it's a cop out. But that's me.

Since we know templars can marry (and presumably have kids, if what Aveline said is canon) then I can only see Cullen having a family if he has the Order's permission to marry. Unless there are some other circumstances, such as he was kicked out of the Order or whatever. If he was on the road due to orders, he might engage in sexy times with his love but take measure to ensure he didn' leave her with child because he doesn't have permission to marry and feels it's dishonorable to impregnate a woman he can't marry. If he was a renegade for whatever reason, the whole permission to marry thing goes away but still... he seems like an honorable guy who'd want to have kids only with his wife.

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 20 avril 2012 - 12:18 .

[meanieweenie]

SamaraDraven wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

It's quiet in here this evening! I need to think up some questions! Anyone got any Cullen related questions?

How about...

What fanfic tropes do you like?

Which ones do you hate?

And of the lot, which one do you think would transfer realistically into a game and why?

How's that?

Good evening all!

Let me just jump on in at this point:
- I think I may have had enough of the lyrium withdrawal for now. (Unless someone can figure out how to make it fresh.)
 - I think I've been more enjoying the stories where Cullen has less of an inner struggle and more of a get to it kind of guy.
- I prefer Cullen to be the assertive type rather than the wilted flower. And I don't care for the virgin stories.

I guess I'm waiting for a good "story" that happens to have it's steamy scenes. More than one steamy scene... cuz I'm trashy like that. lol

[Dunquixote]

SamaraDraven wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I wish I could find the story, you'd all love it! It's also really sad because Amell put Alistair on the throne and had to break up with him and he's still in love with her even after she's gotten into a relationship with Cullen. I hated that bit lol.

One of the tropes I hate is where Amell gets pregnant with Cullen's baby, that one really annoys me just because it feels like a cheap plot device. I also have trouble believing that Cullen would actually leave the Order for a Mage without a decent reason. I've read a lot of fanfiction where they just get together without Cullen worrying about the consequences.

For me, the whole baby thing is fine if it's part of the story. When it's a natural consequence of the sexy times in the story, I'm all for it. I don't like it when Amell leaves the tower preggers and comes back with a kid Cullen didn't know he had. And the reasons I don't like are:

1) As far as canon has established, Culen and Amell didn't do anything. Ever. (Yes I know that's what fic is for but bear with me.)

2) Becoming a Grey Warden seems like it would be lethal to a fetus. At best, the child would become a Grey Warden in the womb and live like... what? 30 years?

3) I also find it unrealistic to be pregnant and fighting the good fight during a Blight.

4) Last, but not least, Amell coming back with a kid of Cullen's seems like a cheap Happily Ever After card. Meaning all the drama and issue-solving of having a relationship with a mage is taken away once he knows he has a kid with her. It's also like a Cullen-won't-go-crazy-and-leave-to-kill-mages mechanic. Even though it's not specific canon that he does AND it's been retconned, he still has some intense issues about mages. He won't have a relationship with one at the end of DAO. But a kid does away with that. I think it's a cop out. But that's me.

Thank you, Samara for this post.  I must admit, I haven been thinking about a lot of what you just mentioned--especially the whole fighting while pregnant--(but in the way I was thinking, he got her pregnant before the Joining).  That's what turned me off from the idea, though as Alistair mentioned, most of the Grey Wardens--that even had kids had them before joining the Wardens.  I think I remember reading about the Alistairs mother being a grey warden and still was able to bear King Maric's child.

[meanieweenie]

Dunquixote wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I wish I could find the story, you'd all love it! It's also really sad because Amell put Alistair on the throne and had to break up with him and he's still in love with her even after she's gotten into a relationship with Cullen. I hated that bit lol.

One of the tropes I hate is where Amell gets pregnant with Cullen's baby, that one really annoys me just because it feels like a cheap plot device. I also have trouble believing that Cullen would actually leave the Order for a Mage without a decent reason. I've read a lot of fanfiction where they just get together without Cullen worrying about the consequences.

For me, the whole baby thing is fine if it's part of the story. When it's a natural consequence of the sexy times in the story, I'm all for it. I don't like it when Amell leaves the tower preggers and comes back with a kid Cullen didn't know he had. And the reasons I don't like are:

1) As far as canon has established, Culen and Amell didn't do anything. Ever. (Yes I know that's what fic is for but bear with me.)

2) Becoming a Grey Warden seems like it would be lethal to a fetus. At best, the child would become a Grey Warden in the womb and live like... what? 30 years?

3) I also find it unrealistic to be pregnant and fighting the good fight during a Blight.

4) Last, but not least, Amell coming back with a kid of Cullen's seems like a cheap Happily Ever After card. Meaning all the drama and issue-solving of having a relationship with a mage is taken away once he knows he has a kid with her. It's also like a Cullen-won't-go-crazy-and-leave-to-kill-mages mechanic. Even though it's not specific canon that he does AND it's been retconned, he still has some intense issues about mages. He won't have a relationship with one at the end of DAO. But a kid does away with that. I think it's a cop out. But that's me.

Thank you, Samara for this post.  I must admit, I haven been thinking about a lot of what you just mentioned--especially the whole fighting while pregnant--(but in the way I was thinking, he got her pregnant before the Joining).  That's what turned me off from the idea, though as Alistair mentioned, most of the Grey Wardens--that even had kids had them before joining the Wardens.  I think I remember reading about the Alistairs mother being a grey warden and still was able to bear King Maric's child.

I think Alistair's mother was a servant but not a Grey Warden. Am I wrong? Perhaps I hallucinated this.

[Dunquixote]

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Fiona

She was an elven mage. 


(=D) 

Modifié par Dunquixote, 20 avril 2012 - 12:23 .

[SamaraDraven]

meanieweenie wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

It's quiet in here this evening! I need to think up some questions! Anyone got any Cullen related questions?

How about...

What fanfic tropes do you like?

Which ones do you hate?

And of the lot, which one do you think would transfer realistically into a game and why?

How's that?

Good evening all!

Let me just jump on in at this point:
- I think I may have had enough of the lyrium withdrawal for now. (Unless someone can figure out how to make it fresh.)
 - I think I've been more enjoying the stories where Cullen has less of an inner struggle and more of a get to it kind of guy.
- I prefer Cullen to be the assertive type rather than the wilted flower. And I don't care for the virgin stories.

I guess I'm waiting for a good "story" that happens to have it's steamy scenes. More than one steamy scene... cuz I'm trashy like that. lol

I think you may be my Dragon Age brain twin...   I think the Lyrium Withdrawal could be made so much better if one aspect was changed. For instance, every withdrawal yarn i've read includes every symptom a junkie can have; like hallucinations, lapses in memory, weakness shivers, etc. Just removing one or two - or having him suffer only one symptom at all - would make it refreshing, IMO. Instead, Cullen runs the gamut of everything, every time. I know he's hooked but lyrium isn't just a drug. It's special.

A struggling Cullen has his good points but balancing that with progress is key for me. I can't stand fics that wallow in a waffling Cullen. "I can't be with you!" then "Or maybe I can." then "No! I can't! I must uphold my vows!" then back to "Well you saved the world and have special permission..." only to be hit with "But it's soooo dangerous! What if I'm forced to kill you one day?! I can't do it!" to end with "Oh you're gonna leave me? But I L-L-LOOOVE YOOUUUU!"

I like a story with lots of steam in it too. I can totally get down with trashy.

[Dunquixote]

Dammit! You are all making it even more hard for me to be patient about getting to my romance scene! in spite of the fact it's probably going to be lame.

Modifié par Dunquixote, 20 avril 2012 - 12:29 .