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[littlenikki]

LolaLei wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

I'm hoping they're going to save the trailer for the VGAs, and release some non-plot specific screenshots before then to hold us over. Maybe some scenery shots? I remember they showed us a shot of destroyed Lothering pretty early on in the marketing phase of DA 2.

Hard to say really. They keep saying that they want to do things properly this time, so maybe they're gonna hold out on the actual game details for as long as possible. Although, from the way Mike Laidlaw has been talking on Twitter, it sounds like we're not too far away from recieving more info regarding the protagonist and general plot.

I imagine they're just as antsy to show us what they've been working on, as we are to see it. Laidlaw in particular, since he's been pushing this "show not tell" concept for so long.

[littlenikki]

*double post* Have a Cullen



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Modifié par littlenikki, 23 octobre 2012 - 05:38 .

[brushyourteeth]

LolaLei wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

I'm hoping they're going to save the trailer for the VGAs, and release some non-plot specific screenshots before then to hold us over. Maybe some scenery shots? I remember they showed us a shot of destroyed Lothering pretty early on in the marketing phase of DA 2.

Hard to say really. They keep saying that they want to do things properly this time, so maybe they're gonna hold out on the actual game details for as long as possible. Although, from the way Mike Laidlaw has been talking on Twitter, it sounds like we're not too far away from recieving more info regarding the protagonist and general plot.

We're also only a year away from release. ME3 had a teaser trailer out by then.

[LolaLei]

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

littlenikki wrote...

I'm hoping they're going to save the trailer for the VGAs, and release some non-plot specific screenshots before then to hold us over. Maybe some scenery shots? I remember they showed us a shot of destroyed Lothering pretty early on in the marketing phase of DA 2.

Hard to say really. They keep saying that they want to do things properly this time, so maybe they're gonna hold out on the actual game details for as long as possible. Although, from the way Mike Laidlaw has been talking on Twitter, it sounds like we're not too far away from recieving more info regarding the protagonist and general plot.

We're also only a year away from release. ME3 had a teaser trailer out by then.

Good point. We can't be that far off more detailed info then. It's gotta be the VGA's then.

[R2s Muse]

OK, it looks like the VGA site is live. December 7, 2012.

http://www.spike.com...eo-game-awards/
also
http://www.spike.com.../vga-revealed/  (altho, this has some Oct 23, 2012 dates on articles that still seem to be from 2011... hmmm)

Modifié par R2s Muse, 23 octobre 2012 - 06:03 .

[R2s Muse]

So here's a question, Cullenfans, that I'm hoping you can help with. I'm trying to work out the series of events during Last Straw for a pro-mage playthrough.
1. Hawke shows up at Gallows, followed by Meredith & Cullen.
2. Showdown #1: Orsino vs. Meredith: Meredith tells Orsino to prepare his people while the rest of the Order crosses the harbor, and he retreats into the Gallows.
3. Orsino retreats to the mage Tower, with Hawke, and they wait until some templars show up. They fight templars, and then Orsino goes Harvester and dies.
4. Then... Hawke seemingly fights her way out of the Gallows and back out through Templar Hall, until she reaches the Gallows' courtyard where Meredith waits for her.
5. Showdown #2: Meredith vs. Hawke: Mer orders Hawke's death, Cullen intervens, Mer goes crazy/red. Everybody fights Meredith; she dies.

What I'm wondering about is step 4. Why is Hawke fighting her way back out again, instead of maintaining her best defensible position against the templars at the mage Tower? If they wanted to fight their way out of the Gallows... why go in in the first place? Is it because Orsino is dead and they've ostensibly killed everyone who's come at them so far, so the way out should be moderately clear and it's time for her split? Trying to wrap my head around a logical narrative there.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 23 octobre 2012 - 06:42 .

[berelinde]

There is none.

This is not Helm's Deep. Hawke is not necessarily trying to defend his position against invaders. He is trying to escape from the hole he is in. If he can win his way out of the templar hall, he might not have to fight each and every templar as they filter into the hall. He will still have to carve a path to freedom, but it may be the distance between two points may be shorter.

[Danny Boy 7]

If I recall right they went into the Templar Hall BEFORE Orsino died. They exit the templar hall and then are in the courtyard again Meredith says to gather your people for the final battle or something to that effect and you retreat into the area where you fight Orsino. You have the final talk with your companions and then you fend off the templars before Orsino hulks out. After that you walk out and face Meredith.

[R2s Muse]

berelinde wrote...

There is none.

This is not Helm's Deep. Hawke is not necessarily trying to defend his position against invaders. He is trying to escape from the hole he is in. If he can win his way out of the templar hall, he might not have to fight each and every templar as they filter into the hall. He will still have to carve a path to freedom, but it may be the distance between two points may be shorter.

But isn't Hawke supposed to be defending the mages, so actually similar to Helm's Deep, since it's their last stand? If she is escaping, doesn't that also suggest she is abandoning the mages? Or, are we to assume they are all dead, and so it's now time for her to escape?

And... I know there may be no logic here other than a gameplay mandate, "in every playthrough, Hawke has to end up in the courtyard to fight Meredith" But there may  be some additional story-based logic that I'm missing...

[R2s Muse]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

If I recall right they went into the Templar Hall BEFORE Orsino died. They exit the templar hall and then are in the courtyard again Meredith says to gather your people for the final battle or something to that effect and you retreat into the area where you fight Orsino. You have the final talk with your companions and then you fend off the templars before Orsino hulks out. After that you walk out and face Meredith.

Not in the pro-mage PT, which of course is easy to confuse with the pro-templar one. After the docks, Hawke goes to Gallows courtyard, Orsino and Mer confront each other there, and then Orsino & Hawke back away into the Gallows (through the main gate, not over by templar hall). There's a cutscene that shows the templars busting in, and mages dying, within templar hall. But when next we see Hawke she's in the open-air courtyard before the mage tower, she talks to her friends, and then Orsino does his thing. Once Orsino's dead is when you go back in to Templar Hall, fight the rage demons, see Sandal, go into Templar Hall proper (the part with Meredith's office) and fight more templars, and more templars. Then you can exit to the courtyard for final battle.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure those are the steps, which I was just reviewing. But it was a couple of weeks now...

But the real question is... why does Hawke go to Meredith, why doesn't Meredith come to her? Mer and her templars bust in to kill everything, and ultimately should have ended up where Hawke and the bulk of the mages have their last stand. But instead. Mer & Cullen stay outside, some of the templars come in to die, and after a while, Hawke decides to come back out. I suppose Mer & Cullen could have been doing the "I lead but don't bleed" thing...

[LolaLei]

So that the statues could stamp about the courtyard and look cool lol.

[berelinde]

R2s Muse wrote...

berelinde wrote...

There is none.

This is not Helm's Deep. Hawke is not necessarily trying to defend his position against invaders. He is trying to escape from the hole he is in. If he can win his way out of the templar hall, he might not have to fight each and every templar as they filter into the hall. He will still have to carve a path to freedom, but it may be the distance between two points may be shorter.

But isn't Hawke supposed to be defending the mages, so actually similar to Helm's Deep, since it's their last stand? If she is escaping, doesn't that also suggest she is abandoning the mages? Or, are we to assume they are all dead, and so it's now time for her to escape?

And... I know there may be no logic here other than a gameplay mandate, "in every playthrough, Hawke has to end up in the courtyard to fight Meredith" But there may  be some additional story-based logic that I'm missing...

More like leading the mages to freedom.

There are a number of reasons that Hawke may be trying to fight out of the hall. The first is that it's a trap. Sooner or later, somebody is going to torch the structure. More templars will arrive. They are fighting a war of attrition, and the longer they stay trapped inside a building, the more they will lose. Their only chance is to get out of the hall and fight their way to the harbor (and capture a boat), and they are hoping to do this before the templars stationed elsewhere in the city arrive to make leaving at all impossible.

Actually, that part makes perfect sense to me. They are never going to run out of templars. Meredith would keep pouring more and more into that hall until she ran low, and then she'd send to Starkhaven. It is a siege. It is possible that the mages could sweat it out, but they would eventually starve. Their only other choice is to punch a hole in the surrounding forces and escape through the breach before reinforcements arrive. Meredith tells Orsino that she is waiting for them before beginning the real assault, and that seems to be what actually happens. The battles Hawke fights with the templars prior to gaining the door are totally pathetic. Mere skirmishes. Had Hawke waited for the troop ships, the entire courtyard would be packed with steel.

[Danny Boy 7]

@R2 I think the main goal for Hawke and the rebellion was to survive rather than to win any particular victory. Hawke assists some mages in escaping but in the end it was to live and fight another day. Hawke, Orsino and co are basically cornered in the Gallows courtyard and retreat because they have no other alternative.

I would say Meredith thought that her men could handle the Champion and the rest of the mages as it seemed like they were just cleaning up rather than having a real battle. Meredith was likely also covering the only exit in case they tried to slip by.

My thoughts were that the Orsino/Meredith fights were the last stands of each organization. Hawke defends the mages with Orsino but when they are caught the First Enchanter harvests himself and then Hawke defeats that before having to face Meredith.

[R2s Muse]

It could be that that was the only exit... Although, of course, that reminds me of Anders's secret way in/out of the Gallows on the Ella quest that let out in Darktown. Meaning that there at least used to be another way out.

But, anyway, if it is the only exit, then eventually Hawke would have to come out. I suppose it makes sense that she'd go once she'd defeated the bulk of the templar horde, and would then attempt to break through to the harbor. Particularly once Orsino went bonkers. If I were Hawke, I might cut have my losses at that point, too, and tried to get the hell outta Dodge.

It still makes more sense to me that Meredith would have come in after them. So I personally think it's still gameplay (and fancy statues! and mage/templar parallelism) that they end back up in the courtyard. But, all those reasons have certainly helped my thinking, so thanks guys! I should be able to write something that sounds plausible now.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 23 octobre 2012 - 07:32 .

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

So that the statues could stamp about the courtyard and look cool lol.

Bingo lol 

And so Cullen will fight with you 

[Danny Boy 7]

So what were everyone's favorite levels from Origins and DA2?

[CuriousArtemis]

Origins... ah there are so few things that I love about that game lol I mostly only love the romances lol I guess I like going to Denerim and doing all the little quests there. I guess.

DA2... all of Fenris' quests *wibble* Duh. I love the last part of rescuing Feynriel when rogue Hawke can one-shot kill that slaver *evil laugh* Anytime Hawke looks like a smexy bad ass lol

[CuriousArtemis]

Oh I love the Isabela quest where you can pretend to be mean to her. And when Hawke shows up at Castillon's hide-out, she sees him, and he gives her the most sweetest, gentlemanly little nod, like.. hey girl. You knew I'd show up, huh *wink* I love their friendship 8D

[Jinx]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

So what were everyone's favorite levels from Origins and DA2?

From DAO I would say the Landsmeet,and from DA2 At the end of the deep roads fighting the big rock wraith

[Jinx]

motomotogirl wrote...

Origins... ah there are so few things that I love about that game lol I mostly only love the romances lol I guess I like going to Denerim and doing all the little quests there. I guess.

DA2... all of Fenris' quests *wibble* Duh. I love the last part of rescuing Feynriel when rogue Hawke can one-shot kill that slaver *evil laugh* Anytime Hawke looks like a smexy bad ass lol

Oh yeah,her throwing that knife was bad ass lol

[LolaLei]

I liked all of DA:O, but I really enjoyed exploring the Circle Tower in the Mage origin, because it gave me some idea of what my Warden's life was like prior to leaving.

[LolaLei]

In DA2, I liked Aveline's quest and the one where you sibling or LI gets kidnapped (cos Cullen's in it :-P)

[LolaLei]

I wonder if Tonia will pop in when we hit 1000 pages?

[R2s Muse]

So, I got sucked into reading the dev responses on the human only forum... Oy Vey. But there was one interesting thing Allan said about the customization in the new game:

"Customization can incorporate a lot more than just race choice. There's the obvious weapons/armor variation, but can also include things like crafting and stuff like that too."

I keep trying to wrap my head around what customization can mean... for me, this helps... a little.

[LolaLei]

Oooo:

Mike Laidlaw: "I'm getting lots of specific questions about Inquisition. I can't answer them, but I've got a good list to make sure we address before ship."