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[LobselVith8]

I've noticed with the pro-templar run, that Hawke can become Viscount and is a hero to the templars, but throughout a pro-mage run (at least with an apostate Hawke) Anders comments that Hawke should be a leader of the mages, and Hawke's escape from Kirkwall does present the opportunity for Hawke to assume a leadership role to mages who see him as a hero for protecting the denizens of the Gallows from Meredith. Aside from the problems with the narrative in Dragon Age 2, I'd like Hawke to be allowed to take a stand with the mages and follow Anders' advice by leading the mages against the Chantry of Andraste and the Order of Templars.

If a pro-templar Hawke can be in a leadership position, I don't see why a pro-mage Hawke couldn't, especially since Anders repeats his opinion throughout the narrative of Dragon Age 2 that Hawke is the leader that the mages deserve (including at the Gallows, if Hawke spared Anders against Sebastian's wishes). I'd like the narrative of any post-Right of Annulment DLC to permit the Champion to acknowledge that he's doing something about the schism between the mages and the Chantry, instead of standing idly by and doing nothing (which is a criticism that some of us have regarding Hawke in Dragon Age 2).

[Xilizhra]

If this Exalted March DLC does anything, I can foresee it happening. Assuming that it stars Hawke and not someone else.

Though, here's a question... what seems more appropriate for Hawke? A nonmage, showing that the nonmagical people of Thedas can and will stand with the mages? Or a mage, making the rebellion more isolated and somewhat cut off from the common folk, but also lacking the unfortunate implication of the mages being unable to lead themselves?

[Harid]

Given that my Hawke sided with the Templars, I don't think it would be plausible without invalidating the choice that some people have made.

And given how that was one of the major complaints people had with Dragon Age 2, I think it would be wise for Bioware to choose another person all together. We should have met this person already.

[esper]

I really want my Hawke to assume some sort of leader role. She really believed Anders when he told her that she should be a leader - she is that arrogant to think that it is a good choice, that being said I am afraid that bioware love their disappering Hero to much, hence why a Vicount Hawke disappears as well.
My dream dlc/expansion is one that allows us to pick the path Hawke takes once s/he will be out of our control.
If it had to be simple because of import reasons it could be join the mages continued fight/go into hiding because Hawke doesn't want to continue be a part of the conflict.
Join the now rouge templars and continue their fight / go into hiding because of the same reasons as above.

Awakening sort of did it for me by autopicking and saying that my Warden disappeared in Antiva and I am getting increasingly angry that bioware hints that my Warden is doing something mystrious and grand somewhere in disappering hero land.

[Xilizhra]

Given that my Hawke sided with the Templars, I don't think it would be plausible without invalidating the choice that some people have made.

Then your dickHawke can just be viscount in your game.

[Harid]

Xilizhra wrote...

Given that my Hawke sided with the Templars, I don't think it would be plausible without invalidating the choice that some people have made.

Then your dickHawke can just be viscount in your game.

Nice to know sanity prevails here.

Mages needed a leader before they went to war in the first place.  Trying to build one up now would be implausible; how could the seekers not iknow where Hawke is if he is in fact leading the Mages in their war.  Hawke vanishes, again, when you are Viscount as well.  Hawke is not a good choice to lead anything.

I am hoping that Bioware chooses Wynne's little boy, with Asunder they have the oppurtunity to have a plausible leader that isn't ruined by Dragon Age 2 via proxy.  Of course, once again, we should have met this guy in Dragon Age 2 to begin with.  Mages are largely anarchists as we have seen them so far.

Modifié par Harid, 26 août 2011 - 02:30 .

[Zanallen]

Hawke vanishes no matter what side he picks, so I doubt it. Now you could, and have, said that Hawke could have run off to lead the mages, what about pro-templar Hawke? Why would he run off from being viscount? The most likely scenario is that something happens to Hawke, and the Warden, that takes them off the field.

Modifié par Zanallen, 26 août 2011 - 02:30 .

[esper]

I am still just really angry at Bioware to make my Warden disappears. When I left da:a I was told that my wardens were respectively in Antiva and in Fereldan then we moved on to a new hero. I don't understand why bioware just can't leave the wardens where they left them. It was some sort of clousure. It was not one I chose but it was clousure still, and honestely there is not that many choices for the wardens-
They can end in Fereldan (Who you are with of Alistar/Anora should not be that difficult since we properly never will see fereldan again)
In Antiva
With Leliana whereever that is (never picked that one)
On the other side of the mirror
Or simply disappering which I equals to going into hiding because they just don't want the attention of being a hero anymore.

For Hawke I think that the options should be active in the mage/templar war whichever side you picked or going into hiding because s/he don't want the attention.

[Zanallen]

Nah, both Hawke and the Warden were captured by Empress Celene. She plans on using the life force of "heroes" to create an unstoppable army and fuel her immortality.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Zanallen wrote...

Nah, both Hawke and the Warden were captured by Empress Celene. She plans on using the life force of "heroes" to create an unstoppable army and fuel her immortality.

LOl. That would probably be pretty cool.

Anyways, as far as a leader of a mage rebellion, I wouldn't trust Hawke to organize a school lunch menu, let alone a full blown mage revolt, because Hawke really did nothing in DA2 that would imply any real leadership, talent, or even a plan, which a successful rebellion would need. Hawke kills sh*t. That's about it.

I'd rather have another leader, a very well written NPC who Hawke can assist or antagonize, depending on their views or goals. But a leader? No. Because, you know, I'd actually like the revolution to succeed by means other than just killing waves of enemies with teh power of awesome....

[esper]

It is obviously for their ultimate game. One day bioware is going to make THE game where we get to choose from all the disappearing bioware heroes... I doens't matter if they are from a completely different universe.

[Xilizhra]

[qutoe]I'd rather have another leader, a very well written NPC who Hawke can assist or antagonize, depending on their views or goals. But a leader? No. Because, you know, I'd actually like the revolution to succeed by means other than just killing waves of enemies with teh power of awesome....[/quote]
I don't really care how the revolution succeeds as long as it does.

[Augustei]

Im willing to bet leader of the mage rebellion will go to Rhys, Hawke will possibly (Hopefully) get the chance to become a important figure among the rebels but leader. As much as i'd like it to happen I dont think it will

[Harid]

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't really care how the revolution succeeds as long as it does.

It won't.

Some third force will come, Thedas will unite to combat it, comprimise will be upheld.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.  I'd love to see Bioware have to create two entirely different games based on a black and white winner and loser in this Mage Templar war.   But as much as I'd like to see that, they will not, not this gen when games cost so much to make.

Modifié par Harid, 26 août 2011 - 03:27 .

[esper]

I don't think the war should be won in the Dragon Age. I think it should be a problem present in the background of future dragon age games, but with a 1000 years of anger and beliefs gathered together on both sides I don't see how they anyone will end this war in less than a 100 years.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

[quote]Xilizhra wrote...

[qutoe]I'd rather have another leader, a very well written NPC who Hawke can assist or antagonize, depending on their views or goals. But a leader? No. Because, you know, I'd actually like the revolution to succeed by means other than just killing waves of enemies with teh power of awesome....[/quote]
I don't really care how the revolution succeeds as long as it does.[/quote]

I do, in terms of a story/lore perspective. I'd rather it be a more intelligently written scenario that involves more than just attacking and killing one's enemies. It would make it more interesting and meaningful, especially if there are other kinds of sacrifices involved. Combat and killing sh*t should only be one aspect of it.

That's what I'd like to see as far as story and gameplay in the future. Not a perfect, two path ending of either victory or defeat. Victory attained, but at a cost. perhaps having to make deals or comprimises with other political/social entities, having to maybe accept a lesser deal or comprimise, ect. And occasionally, having to eliminate enemies or opposition through violent means.

But this is not something I can envision Hawke doing believably or capably, unless they do an overhaul on the character. Hawke's role would probably be best as a symbol, since their name is supposedly now a rallying cry for mages everywhere. They can be a symbol and a powerful image for the rebellion, but you need more than that for a reveolution to be successful. You need brains, cunning, ambition, inititive, planning, resourcefulness, and the will to make it happen. these are not characteristics I see in Hawke, nor do I think they can really be roleplayed in believably, unless, as I said, a major overhaul of Hawke's character is done.

[Harid]

esper wrote...

I don't think the war should be won in the Dragon Age. I think it should be a problem present in the background of future dragon age games, but with a 1000 years of anger and beliefs gathered together on both sides I don't see how they anyone will end this war in less than a 100 years.

The same way a Blight was ended in under a year despite some lasting upwards of over a century.

Because our main characters are ****ing awesome, that's why.

[esper]

Harid wrote...

esper wrote...

I don't think the war should be won in the Dragon Age. I think it should be a problem present in the background of future dragon age games, but with a 1000 years of anger and beliefs gathered together on both sides I don't see how they anyone will end this war in less than a 100 years.

The same way a Blight was ended in under a year despite some lasting upwards of over a century.

Because our main characters are ****ing awesome, that's why.

Sadly that is properly true... I just can't see how it is possible done.
With the circles broken what can the templars do but to kill all mages/tranquiilize them and that would accompliches... what? in the long term. New mages would always be born, and with no circle to give them to, less parents are going to be willing to sell out their mages children.
The mages on the other hand can properly only kill all the templars, but the fear of ordinary people aren't going to be lessened by that. And city elves still don't hold any legal rights.
Origins brought people together, but what I liked was as soon as the common big bad evil was gone, people returned to hate each other and all the boons ended more or less badly - That was realistic. 

[Xilizhra]

But this is not something I can envision Hawke doing believably or capably, unless they do an overhaul on the character. Hawke's role would probably be best as a symbol, since their name is supposedly now a rallying cry for mages everywhere. They can be a symbol and a powerful image for the rebellion, but you need more than that for a reveolution to be successful. You need brains, cunning, ambition, inititive, planning, resourcefulness, and the will to make it happen. these are not characteristics I see in Hawke, nor do I think they can really be roleplayed in believably, unless, as I said, a major overhaul of Hawke's character is done.

Why don't you believe that they can be roleplayed in? I've incorporated most of those into my own Hawke.

[LobselVith8]

Harid wrote...

Given that my Hawke sided with the Templars, I don't think it would be plausible without invalidating the choice that some people have made.

And given how that was one of the major complaints people had with Dragon Age 2, I think it would be wise for Bioware to choose another person all together. We should have met this person already.

Why would accomodating a possible scenerio for a pro-mage Hawke negate that a pro-templar Hawke becomes the new Viscount of Kirkwall? Dragon Age 2 was able to accomodate King Alistair making an appearance for people who chose him as the new King of Ferelden, and (to the best of my knowledge) it didn't force players to deal with him if their respective Wardens didn't chose Alistair to become the new King. The same goes for addressing whether The Warden was from the Circle of Ferelden, Marethari's clan, the Great Thaig of Orzammar, the Denerim Alienage, or the teyrnir of Highever.

Why would another person be chosen for players who would like their Champion of Kirkwall to finally be proactive and intelligent instead of reactive? I wasn't talking about forcing a "canon" decision throughout every DLC expansion, but addressing Hawke being a leader to the mages prior to his "disappearance" (which, so far, only seems to be that the Chantry and the templars aren't able to locate him, with Leliana suspecting that his disappearance could be tied to The Warden's disappearance, which could be as true for a pro-mage Warden who doesn't want to deal with the Chantry or the rebel templar order).

[Sylvianus]

One thing is certain. Do not force us to be the leader of the mages if we saved the circle. I saved the circle because I had no choice first, and because my sister was in danger. My character doesn't care the situation of the Mages. That is not my Hawk who becomes suddenly " the leader " of mages. He doesn't have to feel the need to be the leader of the Mages.

One option, that's all.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 26 août 2011 - 04:03 .

[esper]

Sylvianus wrote...

One thing is certain. Do not force us to be the leader of the mages if we saved the circle. I saved the circle because I had no choice first, and because my sister was in danger. My character doesn't care the situation of the Mages. That is not my Hawk who becomes suddenly " the leader " of mages. He doesn't have to feel the need to be the leader of the Mages.

One option, that's all.

Which is why I propose the activerebel/ goes into hiding and active templarally/goes into hiding options in a coming dlc/expansion.

[TobiTobsen]

Hawke as a leader? That would totally ruin his concept of waiting for **** to happen and than failing at preventing it.